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Geocentrism & the SSPX
« on: August 01, 2022, 04:39:47 PM »
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  • I am of the impression that as a rule geocentrism has never really been examined, much less taught as a Church doctrine in the SSPX seminary, not now or ever at least the U.S.  Presumably, the question of whether God placed the Earth (where Jesus Christ came to dwell among men some 2,000 years ago and lives in the Eucharist today) at the center of the universe was not and is not all that important.  On the other hand such things as Garabandal and Valtorta with her Poem of the Man-God have not only been studied, but actually promoted.

    And now we have the SSPX leadership officially not only endorsing, but actually promoting Father Paul Robinson's book The Realist Guide to Religion and Science which among other things openly rejects geocentrism in favor of heliocentrism and which openly promotes the Big Bang.

    I believe if the SSPX leadership had taken the question of geocentrism to include the question of whether the Church was right or Galileo was right a lot more seriously instead of a mostly head in the sand approach it would never have evolved to the point of openly embracing the scientific heresies encompassed in Fr. Robinson's book.

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    Re: Geocentrism & the SSPX
    « Reply #1 on: August 01, 2022, 05:21:10 PM »
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  • Attached is an excerpt of a catechism class downloaded from SSPX Asia at least 10-12 years ago, not sure what year it was actually recorded. It demonstrates that the society has a real problem when it comes to 'science'.
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    Re: Geocentrism & the SSPX
    « Reply #2 on: August 01, 2022, 07:47:41 PM »
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  • Attached is an excerpt of a catechism class downloaded from SSPX Asia at least 10-12 years ago, not sure what year it was actually recorded. It demonstrates that the society has a real problem when it comes to 'science'.

    Thank you very much Emile for including the attachment.  The voice certainly sounds like Fr. Peter Scott, SSPX, ordained to the priesthood by Abp. Lefebvre in 1988 and former District Superior of the U.S.  He was also rector of the SSPX seminary in Australia and over the years he has been in direct charge of at least 3 different schools, one in the U.S., one in Canada and one in Africa.  Both his voice and manner of speaking are very distinctive. (For comparison you can listen to a number of videos of Fr. Scott on YouTube.)

    I found it disturbing to say the least when I heard Fr. Scott speak/teach/(pontificate?) in such a matter of fact way when he states the following at:
    3:29  "It's scientifically proven that the Earth goes around the sun and that's a scientific fact."
    4:44  "And there's no true scientist to deny the fact [of heliocentrism]"
    4:57  "But there's no true scientist to deny the Earth is in orbit around the sun." 

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    Re: Geocentrism & the SSPX
    « Reply #3 on: August 01, 2022, 07:53:31 PM »
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  • Thank you very much Emile for including the attachment.  The voice certainly sounds like Fr. Peter Scott, SSPX, ordained to the priesthood by Abp. Lefebvre in 1988 and former District Superior of the U.S.  He was also rector of the SSPX seminary in Australia and over the years he has been in direct charge of at least 3 different schools, one in the U.S., one in Canada and one in Africa.  Both his voice and manner of speaking are very distinctive. (For comparison you can listen to a number of videos of Fr. Scott on YouTube.)

    I found it disturbing to say the least when I heard Fr. Scott speak/teach/(pontificate?) in such a matter of fact way when he states the following at:
    3:29  "It's scientifically proven that the Earth goes around the sun and that's a scientific fact."
    4:44  "And there's no true scientist to deny the fact [of heliocentrism]"
    4:57  "But there's no true scientist to deny the Earth is in orbit around the sun."
    From what I've heard, Fr. Peter Scott went to medical school to become a doctor. That would explain why he thinks like that.
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    Re: Geocentrism & the SSPX
    « Reply #4 on: August 01, 2022, 08:38:45 PM »
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  • Thank you very much Emile for including the attachment.  The voice certainly sounds like Fr. Peter Scott, SSPX, ordained to the priesthood by Abp. Lefebvre in 1988 and former District Superior of the U.S.  He was also rector of the SSPX seminary in Australia and over the years he has been in direct charge of at least 3 different schools, one in the U.S., one in Canada and one in Africa.  Both his voice and manner of speaking are very distinctive. (For comparison you can listen to a number of videos of Fr. Scott on YouTube.)

    I found it disturbing to say the least when I heard Fr. Scott speak/teach/(pontificate?) in such a matter of fact way when he states the following at:
    3:29  "It's scientifically proven that the Earth goes around the sun and that's a scientific fact."
    4:44  "And there's no true scientist to deny the fact [of heliocentrism]"
    4:57  "But there's no true scientist to deny the Earth is in orbit around the sun."
    Here's some more of Fr. Scott.  You can see how this kind of thinking in the SSPX helped set the stage for Fr. Paul Robinson's modernist book The Realist Guide to Religion and Science.  At 10:01 Fr. Scott starts strongly deriding geocentrists.  In the process he even confuses the words rotate and revolve.  (Geocentrism, of course, holds that the Earth is motionless.  It neither rotates nor revolves.)



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    Re: Geocentrism & the SSPX
    « Reply #5 on: August 01, 2022, 08:46:56 PM »
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  • It seems to me that the SSPX likes to put faith in the knowledge of the experts in their field. This would seem wise, but with all the corruption, misinformation, and people in the wrong line of work/vocation placing too much trust in their own teachers rather than fully understanding what was taught them makes it not a wise thing to do. It seems to me that these days it is more or less necessary that the individual is a sort of expert on everything they deal with in day to day life.
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    Re: Geocentrism & the SSPX
    « Reply #6 on: August 01, 2022, 09:08:16 PM »
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  • I am of the impression that as a rule geocentrism has never really been examined, much less taught as a Church doctrine in the SSPX seminary, not now or ever at least the U.S.  Presumably, the question of whether God placed the Earth (where Jesus Christ came to dwell among men some 2,000 years ago and lives in the Eucharist today) at the center of the universe was not and is not all that important.  On the other hand such things as Garabandal and Valtorta with her Poem of the Man-God have not only been studied, but actually promoted.

    And now we have the SSPX leadership officially not only endorsing, but actually promoting Father Paul Robinson's book The Realist Guide to Religion and Science which among other things openly rejects geocentrism in favor of heliocentrism and which openly promotes the Big Bang.

    I believe if the SSPX leadership had taken the question of geocentrism to include the question of whether the Church was right or Galileo was right a lot more seriously instead of a mostly head in the sand approach it would never have evolved to the point of openly embracing the scientific heresies encompassed in Fr. Robinson's book.


    As far as doing damage to the traditional remnant and Holy Mother Church, which is worse?  

    An Opus Dei Marrano OR a heretical trad priest?
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    Re: Geocentrism & the SSPX
    « Reply #7 on: August 01, 2022, 09:32:25 PM »
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  • If people understood that the masons, witches and satanists worship the sun (and Saturn) because it represents Lucifer (with all kinds of filthy and sick symbolism) they’d reject heliocentrism for the fraud and attack on God that it is.  As it is, with most things related to the Great Conspiracy, most people are willfully or negligently uneducated.  

    As it is said, you have to first recognize a problem before you can fight it.  Even most Trads don’t recognize the basic beliefs of masonry/witchcraft/paganism. 

    My people have been silent, because they had no knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will reject thee…(Hosea 4:6)


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    Re: Geocentrism & the SSPX
    « Reply #8 on: August 01, 2022, 09:37:26 PM »
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  • Here's some more of Fr. Scott.  You can see how this kind of thinking in the SSPX helped set the stage for Fr. Paul Robinson's modernist book The Realist Guide to Religion and Science.  At 10:01 Fr. Scott starts strongly deriding geocentrists.  In the process he even confuses the words rotate and revolve.  (Geocentrism, of course, holds that the Earth is motionless.  It neither rotates nor revolves.)



    Sure, I understand people rejecting Flat Earth.  But geocentrism is another matter altogether, to the point that the Pope and the Holy Father considered it to be grave error and proximate to heresy to reject it.  So the derision is completely unacceptable.  He should at least maintain an attitude of respect for the learned men (including St. Robert Bellarmine) who thought otherwise.

    Also unacceptable is his slavish submission to modern science, which is clearly animated by an atheistic agenda and cannot be trusted as reliable.

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    Re: Geocentrism & the SSPX
    « Reply #9 on: August 01, 2022, 09:41:50 PM »
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  • Sure, I understand people rejecting Flat Earth.  But geocentrism is another matter altogether, to the point that the Pope and the Holy Father considered it to be grave error and proximate to heresy to reject it.  So the derision is completely unacceptable.  He should at least maintain an attitude of respect for the learned men (including St. Robert Bellarmine) who thought otherwise.

    Also unacceptable is his slavish submission to modern science, which is clearly animated by an atheistic agenda and cannot be trusted as reliable.
    I think he's been taken in by the "signs and wonders" of the false gospel of modern science. I just wrote some thoughts related to this in another thread:

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    Re: Geocentrism & the SSPX
    « Reply #10 on: August 02, 2022, 07:06:02 AM »
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  • Here's some more of Fr. Scott.  You can see how this kind of thinking in the SSPX helped set the stage for Fr. Paul Robinson's modernist book The Realist Guide to Religion and Science.  At 10:01 Fr. Scott starts strongly deriding geocentrists.  In the process he even confuses the words rotate and revolve.  (Geocentrism, of course, holds that the Earth is motionless.  It neither rotates nor revolves.)



    There is only one heresy that has been condemned by the Church that has been reversed and become accepted by churchmen (as distinct from the Church), heliocentrism. As we know, the heresy that came closest to dominate Catholicism in the past was the Arian heresy, but in that case St Athanasius I of Alexandria managed to convince all, including popes, of the truth, and the true divinity of Christ prevailed. In the case of the Galilean heresy, there was no Athanasius, merely a Fr Filippo Anfossi (1748-1825) Master of the Sacred Palace, Rome, 1820, and a few colleagues who fought with him to defend the geocentrism of Scripture. In that case however, intellectual pride won the battle and Pope Pius VII ruled that a heliocentrism without violent effects on Earth was no longer heresy and could be used to change the traditional meaning of Scripture. It was this decision that placed Modernism into the womb of the Church, a ploy by Satan, predicted by God in Scripture when he said that Satan was the Father of Lies and was capable of fooling even the elect.

    Intelligence, the extent or ability of one’s reasoning, while a great gift from God comes with a high price tag, especially when engaging in matters challenging traditional Catholic dogma, theology, and metaphysics. Saint Augustine once affirmed: ‘If there were no pride, there would be no heresy.’ In 2015, an exorcist in Barcelona said of all the sins preferred by Satan, pride was the greatest. We all want to be clever, and the cleverer the better; fallen man revels in ‘vainglory in one’s own reasoning’ as Galileo boasted. Such a talent produces an interior, personal and social satisfaction that is irresistible to those that have it. It can bring honour, glory, respect, advantage, reward, and fame to some who excel in any given field of knowledge. Sir Francis Bacon understood this very well with his ‘knowledge itself is power.’ However, conforming and contributing to a consensus can be a path to success among one’s peers, but in regard to origins, the temptations involved here are enormous, for intelligence can also be the source of pride. The great intellectual saints such as Augustine, Aquinas, Bonaventure, and Bellarmine all knew that intellectual pride is an area that Satan has not neglected. These men refused accolades and honours, preferring instead to embrace humility and exalt divine authority and teaching. 

    For if you did believe Moses, you would believe Me also;
    for he wrote of Me.(John 5:46)

    Now there are some priests of the SSPX who accept the Doctrine of Geocentrism, but they are silenced out of it by those like Fr Robinson and Fr Scott who are allowed talk their way around the teachings of the Church.

    thankfully, 30 years ago, I, a farmer if you don't mind, who was educated as a heliocentrist and evolutionist, as we all were and still are, was given a book by my (late wife), who was a silent creationist and geocentrist at the time, a book by Thomas Mac Fadden on evolution. I took me fifteen minutes to realise that I was a fool to believe elephants evolved from sponges. I was so angry that I decided to educate myself and write a book to inform Catholics of the truth. Then came Pope John Paul; II remark that evolution was more than a hypothesis. Now who would take my word against a pope's so I gave it up. But then I was told by a Paul Ellwanger (RIP) that evolution was the baby of heliocentrism. He then sent me all the info on the matter he collected at his own expense. That began my 30 year research into the matter so that I could expose this more recent Arian-type heresy that did manage to pollute Catholicism. Alas, it is a story that most Catholics reject for many reasons including most Catholic forums. Thankfully CIF is different and do champion the fight against this long held heresy that has undermined the Fathers, Saints and theologians of Tradition who upheld the truth of Genesis, God creation as revealed by Him.

    I will address Fr Scott directly in my next post.









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    Re: Geocentrism & the SSPX
    « Reply #11 on: August 02, 2022, 01:01:10 PM »
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  • There is only one heresy that has been condemned by the Church that has been reversed and become accepted by churchmen (as distinct from the Church), heliocentrism. As we know, the heresy that came closest to dominate Catholicism in the past was the Arian heresy, but in that case St Athanasius I of Alexandria managed to convince all, including popes, of the truth, and the true divinity of Christ prevailed. In the case of the Galilean heresy, there was no Athanasius, merely a Fr Filippo Anfossi (1748-1825) Master of the Sacred Palace, Rome, 1820, and a few colleagues who fought with him to defend the geocentrism of Scripture. In that case however, intellectual pride won the battle and Pope Pius VII ruled that a heliocentrism without violent effects on Earth was no longer heresy and could be used to change the traditional meaning of Scripture. It was this decision that placed Modernism into the womb of the Church, a ploy by Satan, predicted by God in Scripture when he said that Satan was the Father of Lies and was capable of fooling even the elect.

    Intelligence, the extent or ability of one’s reasoning, while a great gift from God comes with a high price tag, especially when engaging in matters challenging traditional Catholic dogma, theology, and metaphysics. Saint Augustine once affirmed: ‘If there were no pride, there would be no heresy.’ In 2015, an exorcist in Barcelona said of all the sins preferred by Satan, pride was the greatest. We all want to be clever, and the cleverer the better; fallen man revels in ‘vainglory in one’s own reasoning’ as Galileo boasted. Such a talent produces an interior, personal and social satisfaction that is irresistible to those that have it. It can bring honour, glory, respect, advantage, reward, and fame to some who excel in any given field of knowledge. Sir Francis Bacon understood this very well with his ‘knowledge itself is power.’ However, conforming and contributing to a consensus can be a path to success among one’s peers, but in regard to origins, the temptations involved here are enormous, for intelligence can also be the source of pride. The great intellectual saints such as Augustine, Aquinas, Bonaventure, and Bellarmine all knew that intellectual pride is an area that Satan has not neglected. These men refused accolades and honours, preferring instead to embrace humility and exalt divine authority and teaching. 

    For if you did believe Moses, you would believe Me also;
    for he wrote of Me.(John 5:46)

    Now there are some priests of the SSPX who accept the Doctrine of Geocentrism, but they are silenced out of it by those like Fr Robinson and Fr Scott who are allowed talk their way around the teachings of the Church.

    thankfully, 30 years ago, I, a farmer if you don't mind, who was educated as a heliocentrist and evolutionist, as we all were and still are, was given a book by my (late wife), who was a silent creationist and geocentrist at the time, a book by Thomas Mac Fadden on evolution. I took me fifteen minutes to realise that I was a fool to believe elephants evolved from sponges. I was so angry that I decided to educate myself and write a book to inform Catholics of the truth. Then came Pope John Paul; II remark that evolution was more than a hypothesis. Now who would take my word against a pope's so I gave it up. But then I was told by a Paul Ellwanger (RIP) that evolution was the baby of heliocentrism. He then sent me all the info on the matter he collected at his own expense. That began my 30 year research into the matter so that I could expose this more recent Arian-type heresy that did manage to pollute Catholicism. Alas, it is a story that most Catholics reject for many reasons including most Catholic forums. Thankfully CIF is different and do champion the fight against this long held heresy that has undermined the Fathers, Saints and theologians of Tradition who upheld the truth of Genesis, God creation as revealed by Him.

    I will address Fr Scott directly in my next post.
    Advocates of the geocentric globe model hold that the earth does not move. This means the earth cannot travel in a circuit around the sun, nor does it rotate on its axis.  Earth doesn't move, the sun does. Fair enough.

    However, this creates a little problem. We all know that in the heliocentric model day/night is caused by the earth rotating on its axis. If there is no movement of the globe earth in geocentrism, because earth is stationary and unmoving, then this means that means that the sun is doing all the work. Therefore, in order for the earth to experience one single day and one single night, the sun would have to travel around the globe once every 24 hours. Geocentric globe theory teaches that the distance to the sun is 93 million miles, then one can calculate the distance the sun must travel going around the earth in a single 24 hour day.

    If earth is the center, and the radius of this circuit (R) is the distance of 93 million miles, we can calculate the circuмference (C).

    The equation is C = 2 x pi x R

    C = 2 x 3.14 x 93 million miles

    C = 584 million miles

    So globe geocentric theory says that the sun makes a journey around the earth 584,000,000 miles each and every day? 584 MILLION miles every 24 hours?  That's a pretty serious speed of 24,300,000 MPH. Not even the sun can go 24 MILLION miles an hour. That would be 213,160,000,000 miles per year.  Not only that, the majority of stars further away than the sun would have to go faster still, and travel almost infinitely farther than the sun in that same 24 hours to maintain the constellations.  One has to wonder, how do the wandering stars operate in such ruckus?  Not even the heliocentric model claims such ridiculous motion since earth only goes 584 million miles per year, around the sun.  Both heliocentric and geocentric globe models are absurd.    




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    Re: Geocentrism & the SSPX
    « Reply #12 on: August 02, 2022, 01:24:22 PM »
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  • Advocates of the geocentric globe model hold that the earth does not move. This means the earth cannot travel in a circuit around the sun, nor does it rotate on its axis.  Earth doesn't move, the sun does. Fair enough.

    However, this creates a little problem. We all know that in the heliocentric model day/night is caused by the earth rotating on its axis. If there is no movement of the globe earth in geocentrism, because earth is stationary and unmoving, then this means that means that the sun is doing all the work. Therefore, in order for the earth to experience one single day and one single night, the sun would have to travel around the globe once every 24 hours. Geocentric globe theory teaches that the distance to the sun is 93 million miles, then one can calculate the distance the sun must travel going around the earth in a single 24 hour day.

    If earth is the center, and the radius of this circuit (R) is the distance of 93 million miles, we can calculate the circuмference (C).

    The equation is C = 2 x pi x R

    C = 2 x 3.14 x 93 million miles

    C = 584 million miles

    So globe geocentric theory says that the sun makes a journey around the earth 584,000,000 miles each and every day? 584 MILLION miles every 24 hours?  That's a pretty serious speed of 24,300,000 MPH. Not even the sun can go 24 MILLION miles an hour. That would be 213,160,000,000 miles per year.  Not only that, the majority of stars further away than the sun would have to go faster still, and travel almost infinitely farther than the sun in that same 24 hours to maintain the constellations.  One has to wonder, how do the wandering stars operate in such ruckus?  Not even the heliocentric model claims such ridiculous motion since earth only goes 584 million miles per year, around the sun.  Both heliocentric and geocentric globe models are absurd.   

    What you are actually saying is that the God who created as many stars as there are grains of sand on the Earth, not even He could create a moving sun to go that fast.
    That sort of reasoning is like that of Fr Paul Robinson SSPX. He said, in effect, not even God could conjure up enough water to cover the Earth, so Noah's flood had to be local. He also said that not even God could create finished creatures that looked ancient. Had Fr Robinson tasted the wine Jesus created out of water instantly, he would have said 'that is beautiful matured wine, so couldn't have been changed by Jesus at that wedding.

    Do not limit God to your reasoning Tradman, leave that to Hawking and Dawkins. 

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    Re: Geocentrism & the SSPX
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  • Advocates of the geocentric globe model hold that the earth does not move. This means the earth cannot travel in a circuit around the sun, nor does it rotate on its axis.  Earth doesn't move, the sun does. Fair enough.

    However, this creates a little problem. We all know that in the heliocentric model day/night is caused by the earth rotating on its axis. If there is no movement of the globe earth in geocentrism, because earth is stationary and unmoving, then this means that means that the sun is doing all the work. Therefore, in order for the earth to experience one single day and one single night, the sun would have to travel around the globe once every 24 hours. Geocentric globe theory teaches that the distance to the sun is 93 million miles, then one can calculate the distance the sun must travel going around the earth in a single 24 hour day.

    If earth is the center, and the radius of this circuit (R) is the distance of 93 million miles, we can calculate the circuмference (C).

    The equation is C = 2 x pi x R

    C = 2 x 3.14 x 93 million miles

    C = 584 million miles

    So globe geocentric theory says that the sun makes a journey around the earth 584,000,000 miles each and every day? 584 MILLION miles every 24 hours?  That's a pretty serious speed of 24,300,000 MPH. Not even the sun can go 24 MILLION miles an hour. That would be 213,160,000,000 miles per year.  Not only that, the majority of stars further away than the sun would have to go faster still, and travel almost infinitely farther than the sun in that same 24 hours to maintain the constellations.  One has to wonder, how do the wandering stars operate in such ruckus?  Not even the heliocentric model claims such ridiculous motion since earth only goes 584 million miles per year, around the sun.  Both heliocentric and geocentric globe models are absurd.   

    Tradman, I assume you agree that God is omnipotent, right?  Good, now we can move forward. 

    God, being omnipotent, can certainly have the entire universe revolve around the sun once a day and every day 365 days of the year year after year.  God, the author of the laws of true science, would in no way be contradicting Himself or true science in the process.  The fact that some people are at a point in not being able to comprehend this does not make it any less true.   (There was a time when I certainly could not seem to comprehend it.  Nevertheless, I accepted it with a simple child-like, not childish, faith in what I understood to be true Catholic doctrine and what I later came to realize more firmly than ever was indeed true Catholic doctrine.)

    This may not be the greatest of analogies, but let us compare people in a commercial jet plane (with all its' passengers seats removed) traveling in a huge circular pattern with a 1,000 mile radius centered on let's say Kansas City to the universe traveling around the Earth.  One man on board slowly walks back and forth from the back of the jet to the middle of the jet while another man on the jet slowly walks back and forth from the front of the jet to the middle of the jet.  All the while each of these men has a small group of other individuals walking around each of them at slightly different speeds.

    Well, needless to say none of these people could be doing this outside and on top of the jet as it traveled at over 500 mph, but inside they could do it with complete ease.  In like manner planets and other objects can move around freely in the vast all encompassing ether as that body of ether carries these heavenly objects around the Earth once a day each and every day.



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    Re: Geocentrism & the SSPX
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  • Tradman, I assume you agree that God is omnipotent, right?  Good, now we can move forward.

    God, being omnipotent, can certainly have the entire universe revolve around the sun once a day and every day 365 days of the year year after year.  God, the author of the laws of true science, would in no way be contradicting Himself or true science in the process.  The fact that some people are at a point in not being able to comprehend this does not make it any less true.  (There was a time when I certainly could not seem to comprehend it.  Nevertheless, I accepted it with a simple child-like, not childish, faith in what I understood to be true Catholic doctrine and what I later came to realize more firmly than ever was indeed true Catholic doctrine.)

    This may not be the greatest of analogies, but let us compare people in a commercial jet plane (with all its' passengers seats removed) traveling in a huge circular pattern with a 1,000 mile radius centered on let's say Kansas City to the universe traveling around the Earth.  One man on board slowly walks back and forth from the back of the jet to the middle of the jet while another man on the jet slowly walks back and forth from the front of the jet to the middle of the jet.  All the while each of these men has a small group of other individuals walking around each of them at slightly different speeds.

    Well, needless to say none of these people could be doing this outside and on top of the jet as it traveled at over 500 mph, but inside they could do it with complete ease.  In like manner planets and other objects can move around freely in the vast all encompassing ether as that body of ether carries these heavenly objects around the Earth once a day each and every day.
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