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Re: Geo v Helio not a theological debate
« Reply #5 on: August 20, 2022, 07:06:39 PM »
Some people on CathInfo:

30 heliocentrists and one geocentrist were all faithful Catholics. They got into a plane crash on a pilgrimage and died. Only the geocentrist made it to heaven. 30 heliocentrists all went to hell!
After the fateful crash, an air crash investigation was conducted. The verdict: the plane became unbalanced when the 31 passengers were all running around inside the plane to various windows to see if the horizon was flat or curved. ::) 


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Re: Geo v Helio not a theological debate
« Reply #6 on: August 20, 2022, 07:23:42 PM »
And you would have been rightly excoriated for posting this article.  It's patently false, claiming that this was a scientific and not a theological debate, and claiming that Galileo was condemned mostly because he irritated the pope.  It's utter nonsense, and I hope you don't believe the trash in this article.


Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Geo v Helio not a theological debate
« Reply #7 on: August 20, 2022, 07:31:41 PM »
This article is complete hogwash.

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Remember that this squabble wasn’t about religion: it was a scientific controversy.
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this made the Pope look foolish. The Pope was rightly furious, and all support Galileo had enjoyed rapidly evaporated.
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Fortunately, the church deemed that Galileo had not challenged theological dogma.
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One consequence of the Galileo affair was that the teaching of heliocentrism was officially banned by the Roman Catholic Church, a ban that was only lifted in the late 20th century.
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Keep in mind that the Galileo affair was a scientific squabble, not a battle between the Bible and science.

Yes, this was a theological controversy, not a scientific one.  Church does not rule on purely scientific matters unless there's a theological problem with them.  Heliocentrism was condemned as HERESY (not a scientific error).  Consequently, Galileo clearly HAD challenged "theological dogma".  It's also even false that the ban on heliocentrism was "only lifted in the late 20th century".  It was lifted long before that.  It was clearly a conflict between "the Bible and science" and not a "scientific squabble."

OP should in fact be ashamed to post complete nonsense like this, and that's why he went Anonymous.  No even-remotely-informed Traditional Catholic would post this thing.

OP also didn't bother to post a link to where this article came from, but the two hyperlinks he forgot to expunge links to "Answers in Genesis."  So you publish a Prot take on the Galileo situation?  No wonder you refused to post this under your actual username.  That would explain the references to "Scripture" and the "Bible" without any mention whatsoever of the Church Fathers, whose geocentric interpretation of Sacred Scripture was central to the decision (but which Prots completely reject as a criterion for doctrine and theology).

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Re: Geo v Helio not a theological debate
« Reply #8 on: August 20, 2022, 07:48:08 PM »
OK, so I found it ... buried in the middle of this article:
https://answersingenesis.org/astronomy/geocentrism-history-background/

This explains the derision of the Church, references to Scripture and the Bible without any mention of Tradition, the attempt to characterize this as a scientific not theological issue, the derision of the Pope, asserting that the decision to persecute Galileo was based on his having insulted the pope, and ignorance about when the ban on heliocentrism was lifted.

OP, are you a Catholic?  If so, you should indeed be ashamed of posting this nonsense.  If you're not a Catholic, are you a Prot who's simply trying to troll Catholics?

This seems to be the standard Prot talking point regarding the "Galileo affair".  Here's another one.
https://creation.com/galileo-church
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The Galileo affair was about politics, and not about defending the Bible and the Christian faith.

Why would you post a Prot article that is almost GUARANTEED to have an incorrect view of the Galileo situation?

Re: Geo v Helio not a theological debate
« Reply #9 on: August 20, 2022, 07:54:58 PM »
Even an idiot could see that Answers in Genesis is Protestant falsehood. Do better, Xavierpope.