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Offline roscoe

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Re: Galileo was wrong and the Church was right to condemn him
« Reply #15 on: December 27, 2017, 12:54:55 PM »
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    • Quote from: RoughAshlar on December 27, 2017, 12:08:24 PM
    To clarify:
    1) I was not claiming that Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ is a hoax.
    2) Even though it was two separate sentences, it should have been two separate posts.  I was defending Truth is Eternal and believe that I was clarifying his statement that Leo XIII was not a freemason.
    3)Leo Taxil was a scam artist with a vendetta against the Church.  What I was referring to with Leo Taxil was that he had printed "secret' masonic accounts from a lady that claimed to survive ritualistic/sɛҳuąƖ/conjuring/murder and magics by the freemasons.  He got to meet with Leo XIII and was paid by the Vatican to continue his works.  When he ran out of material, he announced in a theater that it was all hoax to slander the Church (who he hated) and the freemason (who kicked him out).  The transcripts of the big reveal are online somewhere, I read them years ago.
    Are u sure that Taxil actually met with Pope Leo? Pls give source.
    How could a freemason throw anyone out of R C Church? :confused:
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    Re: Galileo was wrong and the Church was right to condemn him
    « Reply #16 on: December 27, 2017, 07:23:57 PM »
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    • What is the point of this thread?  
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    Offline Jaynek

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    Re: Galileo was wrong and the Church was right to condemn him
    « Reply #17 on: December 27, 2017, 08:15:36 PM »
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    • Quote from: WholeFoodsTrad on December 27, 2017, 07:23:57 PM
    What is the point of this thread?  
    Some time ago, I was asked whether I believed in geocentrism or heliocentrism and I said that I did not know enough to answer and needed to do some research first.  I did some reading on the subject and now feel that I understand the Church teaching well enough to express opinions on it.
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    Re: Galileo was wrong and the Church was right to condemn him
    « Reply #18 on: December 27, 2017, 08:18:06 PM »
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    • John Daly wrote an interesting article on the Galileo affair: http://www.ldolphin.org/geocentricity/Daly.pdf
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    Re: Galileo was wrong and the Church was right to condemn him
    « Reply #19 on: December 27, 2017, 08:30:11 PM »
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    • Quote from: Jaynek on December 27, 2017, 08:15:36 PM
    Some time ago, I was asked whether I believed in geocentrism or heliocentrism and I said that I did not know enough to answer and needed to do some research first.  I did some reading on the subject and now feel that I understand the Church teaching well enough to express opinions on it.
    Really, because the only opinion I see you expressing is that Catholics are free to believe whatever they want, in regards to Natural Sciences.  
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    Re: Galileo was wrong and the Church was right to condemn him
    « Reply #20 on: December 27, 2017, 08:33:12 PM »
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    • Quote from: An even Seven on December 27, 2017, 12:42:41 PM
    The problem rests in what people think "literally" means. Literally means in the sense in which the Author intended it. We obviously cannot interpret Scripture in the literal sense of each word always and everywhere or else Scripture would contradict itself. Their own FE ideas would contradict themselves; eg. The compass of the Earth vs. the four corners of the Earth.
    That is a flat-out lie.
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    Re: Galileo was wrong and the Church was right to condemn him
    « Reply #21 on: December 27, 2017, 08:39:45 PM »
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    • Quote from: Smedley Butler on December 27, 2017, 08:33:12 PM
    That is a flat-out lie.
    which part of his statement, elaborate please
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    Re: Galileo was wrong and the Church was right to condemn him
    « Reply #22 on: December 27, 2017, 08:46:54 PM »
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    • Quote from: RoughAshlar on December 27, 2017, 08:39:45 PM
    which part of his statement, elaborate please
    That people do not understand what literal means. That we are unable to understand the literal meaning of words.
    Like compass.
    Like quarters.
    Like error. 
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    Re: Galileo was wrong and the Church was right to condemn him
    « Reply #23 on: December 27, 2017, 08:48:46 PM »
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    • Quote from: Jaynek on December 27, 2017, 08:15:36 PM
    Some time ago, I was asked whether I believed in geocentrism or heliocentrism and I said that I did not know enough to answer and needed to do some research first.  I did some reading on the subject and now feel that I understand the Church teaching well enough to express opinions on it.
    Said the heliocentrist.
    :facepalm:
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    Re: Galileo was wrong and the Church was right to condemn him
    « Reply #24 on: December 27, 2017, 08:50:23 PM »
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    • Quote from: Clemens Maria on December 27, 2017, 08:18:06 PM
    John Daly wrote an interesting article on the Galileo affair: http://www.ldolphin.org/geocentricity/Daly.pdf
    Thank you very much for this.  It was fascinating.
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    Re: Galileo was wrong and the Church was right to condemn him
    « Reply #25 on: December 27, 2017, 08:52:19 PM »
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    • Quote from: WholeFoodsTrad on December 27, 2017, 08:30:11 PM
    Really, because the only opinion I see you expressing is that Catholics are free to believe whatever they want, in regards to Natural Sciences.  
    I don't think I would express it quite like that, but I do think that Catholics are free to believe either geocentrism or heliocentrism.
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    Re: Galileo was wrong and the Church was right to condemn him
    « Reply #26 on: December 27, 2017, 08:55:54 PM »
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    • Quote from: Jaynek on December 27, 2017, 08:52:19 PM
    I don't think I would express it quite like that, but I do think that Catholics are free to believe either geocentrism or heliocentrism.
    Well, I know, but you were starting this thread to discuss Geo vs Helio/Galileo, not freedom of thought for Catholics in the 21st Century.  
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    Re: Galileo was wrong and the Church was right to condemn him
    « Reply #27 on: December 27, 2017, 08:59:05 PM »
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    • Quote from: Jaynek on December 27, 2017, 08:52:19 PM
    I don't think I would express it quite like that, but I do think that Catholics are free to believe either geocentrism or heliocentrism.
    Where is the papal decree condemning flat earth?
    Hint: there isn't one.
    But there is a papal decree condemning heliocentrism.
    It seems you have a little problem here.
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    Re: Galileo was wrong and the Church was right to condemn him
    « Reply #28 on: December 27, 2017, 09:18:34 PM »
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    • Quote from: Clemens Maria on December 27, 2017, 08:18:06 PM
    John Daly wrote an interesting article on the Galileo affair: http://www.ldolphin.org/geocentricity/Daly.pdf
    Page 54 states why a Catholic cannot adhere to heliocentrism, like Jayne, and why one cannot be thelogically indifferent, like AES.
    Thanks for that. 
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    Re: Galileo was wrong and the Church was right to condemn him
    « Reply #29 on: December 27, 2017, 09:30:46 PM »
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    • Quote from: Clemens Maria on December 27, 2017, 08:18:06 PM
    John Daly wrote an interesting article on the Galileo affair: http://www.ldolphin.org/geocentricity/Daly.pdf
    The 1633 Church decree against Galileo on page 59 should be required reading for the flibbertygibbet, Jaynek.
    Reading that condemnation should scare any Catholic of good sense out of their adherence to heliocentrism.
    It is heresy, full stop.
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