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Offline Smedley Butler

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Flat plane and perspective
« on: March 13, 2018, 08:46:27 AM »
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  • This photo appeared on my computer's desktop yesterday. 

    I snapped a photo of it because if illustrates the truth of flat earth and the law of perspective in a single photo.

    https://imgur.com/gXBbayb

    You see the flat horizon with no curvature. 

    You see the flat plane scrolling away from you at eye level.

    You see the convergence of two parallel lines to a single point.

    Offline Neil Obstat

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    Re: Flat plane and perspective
    « Reply #1 on: March 15, 2018, 11:31:07 AM »
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  • This photo appeared on my computer's desktop yesterday.

    I snapped a photo of it because if illustrates the truth of flat earth and the law of perspective in a single photo.

    https://imgur.com/gXBbayb     <-----[see below...]

    You see the flat horizon with no curvature.

    You see the flat plane scrolling away from you at eye level.

    You see the convergence of two parallel lines to a single point.
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    What a nice picture!
    Too bad it only shows about a half mile of depth of field!
    These old pier stumps only go out a few hundred feet at most.
    You need several miles' distance to see the earth's curvature.
    While this nice picture is nice to look at,
    if you're trying to demonstrate the reality of the earth's shape,
    you need to use a lot more depth of field, obviously.
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    Like this:
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    Here you can see the beginning of the earth's curvature in the distance.
    Your photo, above, only covers about the first 5 of these towers.
    The first 10 of them appear to be in a straight line.
    Only after 20 or more do you see the curvature beginning.
    It takes a great distance to see this curvature because it is very subtle.
    You need several miles' depth of field for starters.
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    Re: Flat plane and perspective
    « Reply #2 on: March 15, 2018, 11:49:00 AM »
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    What a nice picture!
    Too bad it only shows about a half mile of depth of field!
    These old pier stumps only go out a few hundred feet at most.
    You need several miles' distance to see the earth's curvature.
    While this nice picture is nice to look at,
    if you're trying to demonstrate the reality of the earth's shape,
    you need to use a lot more depth of field, obviously.
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    Like this:
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    Here you can see the beginning of the earth's curvature in the distance.
    Your photo, above, only covers about the first 5 of these towers.
    The first 10 of them appear to be in a straight line.
    Only after 20 or more do you see the curvature beginning.
    It takes a great distance to see this curvature because it is very subtle.
    You need several miles' depth of field for starters.

    The reason for the perceived curve may be due to the towers appearing shorter and shorter in the distance (in the second photo).

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    Re: Flat plane and perspective
    « Reply #3 on: March 15, 2018, 12:17:44 PM »
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  • The reason for the perceived curve may be due to the towers appearing shorter and shorter in the distance (in the second photo).
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    But the towers APPEAR shorter and shorter because of their increasing distance AND the further away they are the more the earth's curvature makes them sink down in the distance.
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    If there were no curvature (as flat-earthers falsely claim) then the towers would stay in a straight line in the distance.
    But instead, the line along the top of the towers CURVES DOWN in the distance, not staying straight.
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    It's not complicated.
    It is simple.
    No need to make it into something it isn't.
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    This doesn't need the ocean to be seen.
    It's over a fresh water lake, but it's a very large lake.
    The lake is large enough to allow us to see the earth's curvature.
    That takes a really big lake to see that.
    Most lakes are too small for us to see any curvature over the top of them.
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    Re: Flat plane and perspective
    « Reply #4 on: March 15, 2018, 02:18:24 PM »
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  • .
    But the towers APPEAR shorter and shorter because of their increasing distance AND the further away they are the more the earth's curvature makes them sink down in the distance.
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    If there were no curvature (as flat-earthers falsely claim) then the towers would stay in a straight line in the distance.
    But instead, the line along the top of the towers CURVES DOWN in the distance, not staying straight.
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    It's not complicated.
    It is simple.
    No need to make it into something it isn't.
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    This doesn't need the ocean to be seen.
    It's over a fresh water lake, but it's a very large lake.
    The lake is large enough to allow us to see the earth's curvature.
    That takes a really big lake to see that.
    Most lakes are too small for us to see any curvature over the top of them.

    There's no reason to think that it's an actual curve. It must be due to distortion. The reason I say this is because we can see objects that are still visible when they should have disappeared (if there were indeed an actual curve). 


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    Re: Flat plane and perspective
    « Reply #5 on: March 15, 2018, 02:49:30 PM »
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  • There's no reason to think that it's an actual curve. 
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    No reason? How about this for a reason: It's something that always appears the same way, that is, doesn't change like temperature or atmospheric conditions. Regardless of the day of year, you see the tops of these towers curving downwards towards the lower horizon in the distance. The horizon is lower than the hump you see halfway in between, and that hump is the earth's curvature.
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    It must be due to distortion. 
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    Distortion would be inconsistent. Distortion is a corruption of the straightforward reality, and corruption is inherently changing.
    But this is not inconsistent. It appears the same way day after day, year after year. No distortion. Just the reality.
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    The reason I say this is because we can see objects that are still visible when they should have disappeared (if there were indeed an actual curve). 
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    NOW you're talking about distortion. You can see some objects SOMETIMES but you can't see them at other times. Distortion is a changing thing, like a mirage. Sometimes it's there, sometimes it's not there. Because it's unreliable, it is not to be believed.
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    These transmission towers always appear the very same way. They NEVER appear in a straight line on top. So they are RELIABLE.
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    Re: Flat plane and perspective
    « Reply #6 on: March 15, 2018, 04:38:02 PM »
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  • The decreasing height of telephone poles or electric towers over distance is NOT due to "downward curvature" of earth.


    If that were true we woud not be able to see Chicago across Lake Michgan -59 miles away!

    It's due to perspective and is the same reason mile markers look "shorter" down a long stretch of highway.


    The earth is flat, just as the photo shows. And perspective causes convergence to a single point at eye level, just as the photo shows.

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    Re: Flat plane and perspective
    « Reply #8 on: March 15, 2018, 05:53:16 PM »
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  • you silly person neil.

    That image you keep posting has long been debunked.

    It is "curved" because the lines are not in a straight line when you look at them on a map.
    Eclipses neither prove nor disprove the flat earth.

    "As for whether or not I work for NASA, I'm sorry, but I fail to understand what that could possibly have to do with anything" Neil Obstat, 08-03-2017

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    Re: Flat plane and perspective
    « Reply #9 on: June 07, 2018, 10:07:35 PM »
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  • There's no reason to think that it's an actual curve. It must be due to distortion. The reason I say this is because we can see objects that are still visible when they should have disappeared (if there were indeed an actual curve).
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    Perhaps you're thinking that the towers in the distance are shorter. 
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    Viewed from the side, one can see the tower base pylons on the left and right end are obscured and only the pylons of the towers in the middle of the row are visible, the variable construction heights of which pylons reveal the curve as shown in the following video and explained in the description below the picture that compresses the distance between the towers.
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    There are other photos taken of these transmission towers at Lake Pontchatrain, near New Orleans:
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    Their apparent height would change with distance clearly. However, that's not the subject of the observation. Notice how the obstruction height of the bases of the pylons changes with distance. That's the bit that's predicted by the conventional model, not predicted for a flat plane geometry, and specifically denied to occur by flat-earthers. This observation in particular was made as a direct answer to such a claim. The claim was that the curvature witnessed in my other videos (head on shots) was due to an atmospheric effect that would not be visible from a 90 degree angle (if the earth were flat). From this altitude the horizon is practically flat and the transmission lines are projecting the surface curvature above that flat horizon. Because of this we see the curve revealed by the variable obstruction heights of the base of the pylons. (i.e. "clown frown"™ Jesse Kozlowski).
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