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Re: Flat-Earthers Please Explain
« Reply #35 on: May 23, 2025, 08:24:09 AM »
I can see Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn with my own eyes. If I use a telescope I can see each of these planets are distinct and different. I want to know "what flat earthers think about these planets?" The Bible doesn't talk about them at all, yet man has discovered them.
I want to know too and I am trying to find someone who believes in a flat earth to explain these common observances.

Re: Flat-Earthers Please Explain
« Reply #36 on: May 23, 2025, 08:30:43 AM »
A lot of what people believe comes from NASA deception, including thousands of CGI-generated images.
Ever notice that "artist's renditions" of exoplanets they claim to discover -- which are too far away for any real observation -- look suspiciously like the "photos" of the "real planets" of our own solar system
I stopped believing NASA lies when I visited their Space Center in Houston years ago and attended a Space Talk there when one person asked why the American Flag on the moon seemed to be blowing and a NASA employee said that famous image actually shows the "wrinkles" in the flag because the flag had to be tightly folded to take with them. Then a few years later I heard a different explanation from a different NASA employee somewhere else. That was it for me. 


Re: Flat-Earthers Please Explain
« Reply #37 on: May 23, 2025, 08:48:37 AM »
Don't tell me you believe in Theistic evolution! (Basically that evolution is true, but that God created the Big Bang, and later stepped in...)
I watched several debates between Evolutionists and Creationists and during one debate, there was one prominent Catholic Scientist (a NO Catholic apparently) named Kenneth R. Miller who subscribed to Theistic Evolution and wrote a book on it called "Finding Darwin's God" which I purchased and carefully read.

 During his debate among several creationists, Michael Behe in particular, it was obvious to me that Miller won the debate and Miller's arguments in his book appeared much more convincing than those found in Behe's book "Darwin's Black Box."

Next, I was concerned whether or not believing in Theistic Evolution would put me at odds with Catholicism. Then I saw Bishop Sheen saying on his program that he believed in evolution (he wrote about it as well and I also read the Church's neutral stand point on it using pre V2 sources) and then I figured it was okay for a simple Catholic layman to do so. 

So, yes, I am a believer in Theistic Evolution especially since it is not prohibited by the Church. 

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Re: Flat-Earthers Please Explain
« Reply #38 on: May 23, 2025, 11:15:35 AM »
So, yes, I am a believer in Theistic Evolution especially since it is not prohibited by the Church.

Sometimes I wish I wasn't right about everything all the time.

All I can say to you is, that "Theistic Evolution" was a fad of the 1950's that was understandable at the time. You have to understand that Evolution hit the scene like a ton of bricks, and scientists promoting it were gutsy and bold (as they are today) only people back then were more decent and humble as a whole. So they had respect for the scientists and deferred to their learning. People were more naive and trusting back then.

So when faced with the "apparent evidence" for Evolution, all Christians (including Catholics) could do was say, "Well, if things did evolve over millions of years, all I can tell you is that God must have sparked the Big Bang, and He also intervened to create Man, since the doctrine of Original Sin says that we all came from one first couple."

But talk to the Protestants at Answers in Genesis (Youtube channel) -- they will tell you the problems with Theistic Evolution. For one, DEATH IS DUE TO SIN. But in Evolution, you had eons of death, cancer, dog-eat-dog, law of the jungle BEFORE Man was even created. Death was a fact of life LONG before the first Man was created, nevermind when he ate the apple. So that goes directly against Scripture and Catholic teaching.

Plus Genesis teaches that God made everything in 6 days. There are various "theories" how to do mental somersaults and resolve the obvious conflict -- but they don't work. The Hebrew word used (yom), with the surrounding context/sentence, can ONLY MEAN A 24-HOUR DAY. The protties behind Answers in Genesis are 100% correct on this particular point.

Today there is no excuse for Theistic Evolution. Evolution is garbage. They haven't found ANY transitional fossils, there is NO evidence that it's even possible, much less that it happened. We now know about DNA and the inside of the cell -- no way that could have developed over millions of years by blind chance. And that is what evolution teaches, that blind chance + time can achieve anything. Saying God started the ball rolling with the Big Bang isn't enough. It simply isn't possible. New features or information -- designs -- never get created by chance and blind luck.

It would be like finding a fully functional CAR in the middle of the woods, and thinking that a man or men weren't involved in its creation. Or having a factory explosion that accidentally assembled a fully functional 747 jumbo jet.

Evolution is absolute madness.

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Re: Flat-Earthers Please Explain
« Reply #39 on: May 23, 2025, 01:09:28 PM »
Today there is no excuse for Theistic Evolution. Evolution is garbage. They haven't found ANY transitional fossils, there is NO evidence that it's even possible, much less that it happened. We now know about DNA and the inside of the cell -- no way that could have developed over millions of years by blind chance. And that is what evolution teaches, that blind chance + time can achieve anything. Saying God started the ball rolling with the Big Bang isn't enough. It simply isn't possible. New features or information -- designs -- never get created by chance and blind luck.
Exactly.  The pope only allowed an exploration of theistic evolution IN CASE science had proved certain facts on evolution in general.  The pope didn't want the Church to look anti-scientific.

But we're still waiting for modern science (i.e. anti-catholic masons) to prove evolution.  It hasn't (and won't) happen.

The good news which has come out of the pope's allowance, is that good-will, God-fearing catholic and protestant scientists have studied the matter of evolution and the facts concerning Biblical Creation are stronger than ever before.  The Truth has won out, again.  

The bad news is that "headline browsing" lukewarm catholics have come to believe that evolution in general is "allowed by the Church".  But these types of people were going to be swayed by the atheist scientists anyways, regardless of if the Church spoke on the matter or not.  Because their Faith is weak and they don't put in the effort to learn or study.  

So, in the end, the pope's choice was a good one, in the face of an attack on the Church by atheistic science.  Those who lost their faith due to "theistic evolution" were destined to lose it by the various other modernist heresies anyways.  Their collateral damage was unavoidable.