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Offline Everlast22

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Re: Flat-Earthers Please Explain
« Reply #15 on: May 22, 2025, 07:51:45 AM »
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    • Quote from: Gray2023 on May 22, 2025, 07:46:07 AM
    What kind of plant do you think I might be?  ::)
    That depends, do plants tell the group they are infiltrating they are plants? :laugh1:
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    Offline Gray2023

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    Re: Flat-Earthers Please Explain
    « Reply #16 on: May 22, 2025, 07:57:48 AM »
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    • Quote from: Everlast22 on May 22, 2025, 07:47:02 AM
    Nobody cares you haven't resorted to name calling... Who cares? Boy, you take things personally.  I would say thicken your skin up, but you're a woman.

    What proof would you like that the earth is not a globe? Do you personally think it's a globe with planets and space we have not discovered yet?
    I can see Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn with my own eyes. If I use a telescope I can see each of these planets are distinct and different. I want to know "what flat earthers think about these planets?" The Bible doesn't talk about them at all, yet man has discovered them.
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    Re: Flat-Earthers Please Explain
    « Reply #17 on: May 22, 2025, 08:01:02 AM »
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    • Quote from: Gray2023 on May 22, 2025, 07:57:48 AM
    I can see Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn with my own eyes. If I use a telescope I can see each of these planets are distinct and different. I want to know "what flat earthers think about these planets?" The Bible doesn't talk about them at all, yet man has discovered them.
    Sure, no one is denying there isn't things like the moon/planets/illuminations or ("stars") in God's firmament. It's vast for sure. 


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    Offline Godefroy

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    Re: Flat-Earthers Please Explain
    « Reply #18 on: May 22, 2025, 08:02:00 AM »
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    • Quote from: Gray2023 on May 22, 2025, 07:57:48 AM
    I can see Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn with my own eyes. If I use a telescope I can see each of these planets are distinct and different. I want to know "what flat earthers think about these planets?" The Bible doesn't talk about them at all, yet man has discovered them.
    9:00 minutes into this video. Eric Dubay answers that question https://youtu.be/KNXKpnybzVU?
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    Re: Flat-Earthers Please Explain
    « Reply #19 on: May 22, 2025, 08:12:38 AM »
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    • Quote from: Everlast22 on May 22, 2025, 08:01:02 AM
    Sure, no one is denying there isn't things like the moon/planets/illuminations or ("stars") in God's firmament. It's vast for sure.



    So "flat earthers" believe that the space is vast in one direction up from a flat earth and "globe tards" believe that space is vast in multiple directions from a spherical earth. We know God is limitless, so which one makes more sense?
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    Offline Pax Vobis

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    Re: Flat-Earthers Please Explain
    « Reply #20 on: May 22, 2025, 08:18:58 AM »
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    • Quote from: IndultCat on May 22, 2025, 03:39:13 AM
    Yes, there are many twisted agendas and nefarious plots being conducted on a "global scale" :laugh1:  (including lies by NASA --- Never A Straight Answer :laugh1:) but, why do flat-earthers believe that lying about the shape of the Earth is one of those twisted agendas/nefarious plots?
    If it could be proven (beyond a reasonable doubt) that globe earth had flat land, then it would be 'game over' for the following heresies:
    a.  Evolution
    b.  Aliens
    c.  Atheism

    All of these 3 major heresies rely on the narrative that the earth isn't special, we're just another random, floating ball in an infinite space...created by a random, big-bang event which happened trillions of years ago, a quadrillion light-years away.  There isn't anything special about humanity, act like the animals that you are and when you die, turn back into the "dust in the wind" that you came from.  This is how the devil traps billions of souls into a sinful "you only live once" life and then they are damned.

    In fact, here is the truth, which the globe shaped, flat land TRUTH reveals:
    a.  Scripture is true, which means God is real and Adam/Eve is the human origin.  Ergo, evolution is a damned lie.
    b.  A firmament surrounding the earth's atmosphere means that we can't leave earth, planets aren't inhabitable and there can be no aliens.
    c.  The earth is NOT like other planets, as the main purpose of earth is humanity and our battle for salvation.  God and heaven/hell are real and the purpose of life.

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    Re: Flat-Earthers Please Explain
    « Reply #21 on: May 22, 2025, 11:00:31 AM »
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    • Quote from: Gray2023 on May 22, 2025, 07:46:07 AM
    What kind of plant do you think I might be?  ::)
    :laugh1::laugh1:
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    Re: Flat-Earthers Please Explain
    « Reply #22 on: May 22, 2025, 11:27:02 AM »
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    • Quote from: Gray2023 on May 22, 2025, 08:12:38 AM
    So "flat earthers" believe that the space is vast in one direction up from a flat earth and "globe tards" believe that space is vast in multiple directions from a spherical earth. We know God is limitless, so which one makes more sense?

    Ugh.

    Because God is distinct from His creation. Duh!
    I know you didn't mean to, but confusing God with His creation is literally a heresy that the Church has dealt with and condemned in the past.

    Those who believe the false religion of Scientism don't believe in God (infinite goodness, truth, power, etc.) so they replace God with an infinite (or near-infinite) universe, infinite realities/universes, and mind-boggling amounts of time which is OMNIPOTENT or can do anything, even creating life from inert matter. Scientism adherents have FAITH in Science, they HOPE in Science, and they LOVE Science. They are obedient to the holy dogmas and teachings of the Scientism high priests, and carefully avoid committing any sins of heresy. They even go out into the world and spread the "Scientism gospel" to those who don't yet believe. They are quite fervent with their apologetics and their rhetoric! They are more fervent than many Catholics, sad to say. See how it has replaced God for them?

    So what are these Scientism cultists really worshipping? The Universe. that is, God's creation. They are literally "worshiping and serving the creature rather than the Creator" which is an error as old as time. The devil has outsmarted these modern high-IQ fools, and he is laughing his black, hairy, smelly ass off at them. This classic error was actually addressed by St. Paul in Acts of the Apostles.


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    Who changed the truth of God into a lie; and worshipped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
    [Romans 1:25]

    How do I say this politely, you really need to do less teaching and more learning.

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    Re: Flat-Earthers Please Explain
    « Reply #23 on: May 22, 2025, 02:43:09 PM »
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    • Quote from: Matthew on May 22, 2025, 11:27:02 AM
    Ugh.

    Because God is distinct from His creation. Duh!

    Yeah, that's like saying that because God is limitless, so are the oceans on the earth, or that a dog in my back yard is limitless.

    It's similar to the OP ... where IF there are spheres above the earth, it must mean we live on a sphere too.  That's a complete non-sequitur, and its merely assumes the very cosmology it's trying to adduce this as evidence for ... aka it's begging the question.

    Similar to Eratosthenes.  He had to assume a distant and gigantic sun in order to "prove" curvature, i.e. where you assume things about cosmology to prove your cosmology.  If you had a smaller / closer sun, it could product the same outcome for the experiment.
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    Re: Flat-Earthers Please Explain
    « Reply #24 on: May 22, 2025, 02:55:32 PM »
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    • Quote from: Matthew on May 22, 2025, 11:27:02 AM
    Ugh.

    Because God is distinct from His creation. Duh!
    I know you didn't mean to, but confusing God with His creation is literally a heresy that the Church has dealt with and condemned in the past.
    I did not mean anything heretical. But when I said God is limitless, I meant omnipotent. 
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    Re: Flat-Earthers Please Explain
    « Reply #25 on: May 22, 2025, 03:06:19 PM »
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    • Quote from: Matthew on May 22, 2025, 11:27:02 AM
    Those who believe the false religion of Scientism don't believe in God (infinite goodness, truth, power, etc.) so they replace God with an infinite (or near-infinite) universe, infinite realities/universes, and mind-boggling amounts of time which is OMNIPOTENT or can do anything, even creating life from inert matter. Scientism adherents have FAITH in Science, they HOPE in Science, and they LOVE Science. They are obedient to the holy dogmas and teachings of the Scientism high priests, and carefully avoid committing any sins of heresy. They even go out into the world and spread the "Scientism gospel" to those who don't yet believe. They are quite fervent with their apologetics and their rhetoric! They are more fervent than many Catholics, sad to say. See how it has replaced God for them?

    So what are these Scientism cultists really worshipping? The Universe. that is, God's creation. They are literally "worshiping and serving the creature rather than the Creator" which is an error as old as time. The devil has outsmarted these modern high-IQ fools, and he is laughing his black, hairy, smelly ass off at them. This classic error was actually addressed by St. Paul in Acts of the Apostles.
    I am not sure that this had anything to do with what I was trying to express.  I do think that the modern day "science" has been bought and paid for, so those who do real science have not received the funding to find Truth.


    I would also go out on a limb and say that once science (the study of the creature (human, plants, earth, society, etc)) was separated from religion (the study of the creator), we lost a natural system of checks and balances.
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    Re: Flat-Earthers Please Explain
    « Reply #26 on: May 22, 2025, 03:10:15 PM »
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    • Quote from: Matthew on May 22, 2025, 11:27:02 AM
    How do I say this politely, you really need to do less teaching and more learning.
    I have been asking questions to improve my understanding.  This is the way I learn.  I am not very good at just reading to understand things.  Please bare with me. 
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    Re: Flat-Earthers Please Explain
    « Reply #27 on: May 22, 2025, 03:38:38 PM »
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    • Quote from: Gray2023 on May 22, 2025, 03:10:15 PM
    I have been asking questions to improve my understanding.  This is the way I learn.  I am not very good at just reading to understand things.  Please bare with me.
    :laugh1:  Most of your questions are argumentative, not of curiosity.  Then you ignore what Scripture says and act like it's optional.  You're very biased.  Until you accept this, you won't be open to learning anything new.
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    Re: Flat-Earthers Please Explain
    « Reply #28 on: May 22, 2025, 03:48:18 PM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on May 22, 2025, 03:38:38 PM
    :laugh1:  Most of your questions are argumentative, not of curiosity.  Then you ignore what Scripture says and act like it's optional.  You're very biased.  Until you accept this, you won't be open to learning anything new.
    I am not trying to be argumentative (you are just going to have to take my word for it :cowboy:).  Every time I ask a question, I get a response that deflects away from the question I am asking. 

    You are not trying to teach anything, because you already have a biased of me being argumentative. :laugh1:



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    Re: Flat-Earthers Please Explain
    « Reply #29 on: May 22, 2025, 05:00:33 PM »
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    • Quote from: Gray2023 on May 22, 2025, 08:12:38 AM
    So "flat earthers" believe that the space is vast in one direction up from a flat earth and "globe tards" believe that space is vast in multiple directions from a spherical earth. We know God is limitless, so which one makes more sense?
    You seem to have confused fittingness with necessity.
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