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Re: Flat Earthers on Cathinfo.com Are Spending More Time on
« Reply #76 on: January 08, 2018, 03:56:57 PM »
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  • The Fathers infallibly teach that Jerusalem is in the center of the earth because its scriptural.  

    AES: No they don't.

    The Fathers also infallibly teach that there are no antipodes

    AES: No they don't.

    Flat earth IS Geocentrism and it is Catholic Tradition.    

    AES: No it isn't.

    Hey Seven, what source do you have for all the claims you are making?  
    Even if AES had a source, he'd have to explain away several Catholic scholars and saints on the matter. 


    Offline Ladislaus

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    « Reply #77 on: January 08, 2018, 04:03:12 PM »
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  • The Fathers infallibly teach that Jerusalem is in the center of the earth because its scriptural.  

    Well, then, what does YOUR flat earth map look like ... since most flat earth maps (and many of the proofs associated with them) rely upon a map which has the North Pole at the center?

    I question your use of the qualifier "infallibly".

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    « Reply #79 on: January 08, 2018, 04:11:52 PM »
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  • Well, then, what does YOUR flat earth map look like ... since most flat earth maps (and many of the proofs associated with them) rely upon a map which has the North Pole at the center?

    I question your use of the qualifier "infallibly".
    Dude, you quoted Happenby and put my name on it.  That's not cool.  
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    « Reply #80 on: January 08, 2018, 04:13:27 PM »
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  • Well, then, what does YOUR flat earth map look like ... since most flat earth maps (and many of the proofs associated with them) rely upon a map which has the North Pole at the center?

    I question your use of the qualifier "infallibly".
    Different flat earthers put their belief in different maps, but most admit there is not enough information to know with certainty which map represents the earth exactly.  I personally have not accepted the AE map with North Pole in the middle because it is at odds with Scripture and Catholic exegesis.  Until we get the information, the main argument is, earth is not a (moving) globe, but it is an extended plane over which a dome is stretched and above which is water, as described by Enoch, the Fathers, and Scripture. 

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    « Reply #81 on: January 08, 2018, 04:17:29 PM »
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  • Dude, you quoted Happenby and put my name on it.  That's not cool.  

    Well, dude, maybe you should have used the proper quoting mechanisms instead of putting quoted text inline with your post.

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    « Reply #82 on: January 08, 2018, 04:20:51 PM »
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  • Well, dude, maybe you should have used the proper quoting mechanisms instead of putting quoted text inline with your post.
    Oh ok  :-[
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    « Reply #83 on: January 08, 2018, 04:34:29 PM »
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  • The author of the book you are quoting was a Big Time Liberal, who was trying to show in his book how Anti-Science Christianity was and how necessary it was to push it out of universities.  
    The book that's being cited in your post (I wonder if you aren't just copying and pasting this from a website) "A History of the Warfare of Science with Theology in Christendom," is commonly said to be poorly supported.  So, it/whatever source you have, may not be as credible a source as you think for assessing the actual positions of EVERY SINGLE CHURCH FATHER (THERE ARE LOTS).  Most people claim that many Church Fathers never spoke on the topic.

    However, when it comes to Science contradicting The Scripture, we have a duty to defend Scripture, if we can.  Otherwise, we have a duty to submit, which implies that we have a duty to The Truth.  So, it matters if The Earth is Flat or a Globe and Moving or Stationary, particularly since Scripture implies a Flat and Stationary Earth, which everyone knows, it's just that some people want to say it is figurative, which of course the language doesn't seem figurative and the actual science seems to point towards a flat and stationary Earth.  And we have centuries of known conspiracy against The Faith.  

    So, we have a crime that needs to be set right and the authority to do it, regardless of what Church Fathers thought about it, before 749 A.D.  It is encouraging though, that some actually preached on it and were Flat Earthers.  
     
    The author of the book I quoted is a Protestant.  However, his quotes are accurate when quoting the Fathers on their teachings.  Dickenson White is long recognized for having "proven" the Church wrong about flat earth, and for making Her look stupid for doing it.  His attempt to prove how wrong the Church was, actually provides many sources for Church teachings on the subject.  White's sources are, as far as I've checked, totally accurate when quoting Catholics on the subject of flat earth.  Remember, he's trying to make them look bad, quoting them directly, as though popular science he espouses trumps what the Church has always taught.  What White winds up doing is showing from his sources, that even from the Protestant historical perspective, the Catholic Church has always promoted the geocentric flat earth, because he draws from Catholic teachings and saints in order to provide the "damning" material.    

    Beyond White's book, I also quoted from a book on Catholic homilies. 

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    « Reply #84 on: January 08, 2018, 05:27:45 PM »
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  • Wow, flat earth is really a big topic!  

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    « Reply #85 on: January 08, 2018, 08:17:26 PM »
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  • The author of the book I quoted is a Protestant.  However, his quotes are accurate when quoting the Fathers on their teachings.  Dickenson White is long recognized for having "proven" the Church wrong about flat earth, and for making Her look stupid for doing it.  His attempt to prove how wrong the Church was, actually provides many sources for Church teachings on the subject.  White's sources are, as far as I've checked, totally accurate when quoting Catholics on the subject of flat earth.  Remember, he's trying to make them look bad, quoting them directly, as though popular science he espouses trumps what the Church has always taught.  What White winds up doing is showing from his sources, that even from the Protestant historical perspective, the Catholic Church has always promoted the geocentric flat earth, because he draws from Catholic teachings and saints in order to provide the "damning" material.    

    Beyond White's book, I also quoted from a book on Catholic homilies.
    If you check his quotes and they pan out, that's pretty good, because its a very common criticism that he made stuff up about Catholics.  Of course, they could be making stuff up about him.  So, I guess you gotta check to be sure.  

    I was taught in Public Schools that The Church had believed in Flat Earth;  it's the Columbus thing, but actually that most people in Medieval Europe did. That's supposed to have been "debunked" though, which I don't get.  So, I don't know.  If you can verify his quotes, then maybe they're lying.  That's why original research is so important;  too many people living in an "echo chamber."  

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    « Reply #86 on: January 08, 2018, 08:27:31 PM »
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  • Even if AES had a source, he'd have to explain away several Catholic scholars and saints on the matter.
    I just want to know if it's an original source or if he's just quoting some article off www.whateverbolognatheywannaprint.com and joining "the echo chamber" or if he's actually looking at original sources, because I think with a lot of this controversial stuff, you have to, in order to make any real progress towards the truth.
     
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    « Reply #87 on: January 08, 2018, 08:57:58 PM »
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  • I just want to know if it's an original source or if he's just quoting some article off www.whateverbolognatheywannaprint.com and joining "the echo chamber" or if he's actually looking at original sources, because I think with a lot of this controversial stuff, you have to, in order to make any real progress towards the truth.
     
    I agree, we have to look at original sources and I have checked some of White's quotes.  To his credit, there are no Catholics complaining about his sources or what the Fathers have said.  White is an historian.  He didn't get the quotes wrong, just his analysis of them is way off because he was an heliocentrist and believed science proved the moving globe. That's why he took the dubious opportunity to slam the Church for believing in flat earth... Because science was supposedly on his side. Ha! Such pride and human respect! The problem for poor Mr. White was that his sources and quotes are accurate, but rather than believing the quotes of the Fathers, he derides them for believing earth is flat.  Thank you, you withering Protestant historian for your failure to see the truth, and for docuмenting that failure for us!  

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    « Reply #88 on: January 09, 2018, 08:24:27 AM »
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