[Cera]

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Evolution and intelligent design both are in regards to things that happened (or did not happen) long ago.
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The question of whether the earth is spherical or flat is nothing of the sort because anyone can walk outside day or night and see what is necessary to determine that the earth is not flat, but spherical. The fact that flat-earthers consistently refuse to do the simple empirical tests that I have proposed here is proof they don't want to know the truth. They prefer their fantasy -- all the while accusing me of having "nothing empirical" when it is flat-earthers who FLATLY refuse to do the empirical tests that I propose.
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They defame traditional Catholics on these forums by their nonsensical refusal to check the facts against their fantasy.
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There is currently a heated battle going on over geocentrism and it does the Catholic position no favors to have flat-earthers running around confusing the issue with a fantasy that is easily shown to be false. The uninformed misconstrue that fallacy to apply to geocentrism, which it does not.
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Whether there is a majority who "knows" or not is beside the point. Therefore, you are missing the point.
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You are not paying attention.
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The point is all you have to do is step outside and observe the moon in its various phases.
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By merely observing the moon, and then by thinking honestly about what you see, and comparing it honestly to what others (including perhaps yourself) see from different places on the earth at particular times, you can readily see the only possible answer for these things to be as they are is for the earth to be spherical. The "flat-earth" model cannot explain any of the observed facts.
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When flat-earthers continue to insist the contrary, they bring defamation onto themselves and anyone associated with them.
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Flat Earth threads defame traditional Catholics on these forums
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Looks like time after time the flatters only prove that to be a factual statement.
Flat Earth threads defame traditional Catholics on these forums

Globe earth theory encompasses much more than what one can go outside and observe. It postulates that we are on earth are spinning around on the earth's axis, which is also spinning around the sun, which along with all of our solar system is spinning around in our galaxy. All of this speculated spinning makes the globe earth a theory, not observable fact.

[Cera]

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What is the context of the quote?
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Or do you take special pleasure in quoting Scripture out of context?
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Sometimes it works all right, but other times it is easily misunderstood separated from the context.
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Protestants are very well-known for ignoring context. Are you a Protestant? Or a crypto-Jєω Freemason?
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How do you flatters answer to that?

I think any Catholic knows this is from the Book of Job. If you didn't know that, you could have looked it up and understood the context, which is that God is lecturing Job. The context in no way changes the truth of God's word.
I cannot understand why you would call someone names because you disagree. It is a truism that those who are losing an argument resort to name-calling.
But how can you believe yourself to be losing the argument when 99.9999% of the population have bought into the Freemasonic/ NASA lies?

[Cera]

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Here's a nice video that takes you step by step.
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You can lead a flat-earther to a great video but you can't make him take a single step.
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Tried to watch the video and stopped at mention of Erathosthenes.

Eratosthenes' stick experiment can not only tell us about the size of the earth, but can also be used to compute the distance to the sun as well.
In his experiment Eratosthenes assumes that the earth is a globe and that the sun is very far away in his computations for the size of the earth and the distance to the sun. However, if we use his data with the assumption that the earth is flat we can come up with a wildly different calculation for the distance of the sun, showing it to be close to the earth. The sun changes its distance depending on the model of the earth we assume for the experiment.
Millersville University goes over the two ways of interpreting Eratosthenes' data. The first part of the article goes over the interpretation of his data under a Round Earth model, and the bottom part of the article goes over an interpretation of the data under a Flat Earth model.
From http://www.millersville.edu/physics/experiments/058/index.php we read:
An Alternative Model
Eratosthenes' model depends on the assumption that the earth is a globe and that the sun is far away and therefore produces parallel rays of light all over the earth. If the sun is nearby, then shadows will change length even for a flat earth. A flat earth model is sketched below. The vertical stick casts shadows that grow longer as the stick moves to the left, away from the closest point to the sun. (The sun is at height h above the earth.)

A little trigonometry shows that

Using the values 50 degrees and 60 degrees as measured on the trip, with b=1000 miles, we find that h is approximately 2000 miles. This relatively close sun would have been quite plausible to the ancients.
Continuing the calculation, we find that a is approximately 2400 miles and the two distances R1 and R2 are approximately 3000 and 3900 miles, respectively.
That is, as we move from Florida to Pennsylvania, our distance from the sun increases by about 30%. As a consequence the apparant size of the sun should decrease by 30%. We see no noticeable change in the apparent size of the sun as we make the trip. We conclude that the flat earth/near sun model does not work.

Above, the author at Millersville University describes how the distance to the sun could be calculated with Eratosthenes's data under the interpretation a Flat Earth. The author agrees that Eratosthenes assumes which world shape is correct with making his calculation. Eratosthenes' calculations are not proof of any particular model, but based on an assumption of which earth model is correct.
Under the assumption of a Flat Earth the sun is computed to be relatively close to the earth's surface, as seen in the above quote.
Under the assumptions of a Round Earth, on the other hand, the sun can be computed to be millions of miles distant.
Erathonese's calculations for the size of the earth and the distance to the sun do not constitute proof in themselves since the values change depending on the shape of the earth we assume. The calculations are only valid if the assumed shape of the earth is true.
In Addendum
Finally, at the bottom of the article the author goes on to mention that a Flat Earth model would not work because the sun's visible diameter must shrink as it recedes. This is correct. Any receding body should shrink in diameter as it recedes into the far distance. However, it should be mentioned that the sun is not just any body, but one of incredible luminosity which catches onto the atmosphere and magnifies the sun's image the further it recedes from the observer.
This is how the sun maintains its diameter throughout the day and is discussed in depth in The Cosmos section of the Wiki:
Magnification of the Sun at Sunset

[Neil Obstat]

Globe earth theory encompasses much more than what one can go outside and observe. It postulates that we are on earth are spinning around on the earth's axis, which is also spinning around the sun, which along with all of our solar system is spinning around in our galaxy. All of this speculated spinning makes the globe earth a theory, not observable fact.

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While the motion of these physical bodies is an important topic, it is not inherently related to their shape, as you imply.
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The shape (generally speaking) of the moon is objectively observable, especially with a telescope.
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The shape of the sun is equally observable, but you need special equipment, like solar filters and solar photography. 
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By the same operations, the shape of the earth is demonstrated by the things I have mentioned, regardless of motion.
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The sphericity of the earth is not a "theory," rather it is objectively known by the first level of observations.

[Neil Obstat]

Tried to watch the video and stopped at mention of Erathosthenes.

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By stopping at that point, you miss the whole point of the video. The video has nothing to do with what Eratosthenes did.
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In fact, this video never mentions Eratosthenes. Your mistake!
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BESIDES THAT, you stopped because you THOUGHT he said "Eratosthenes" but he in fact said ARISTARCHUS.
He even spelled it out across the screen at the beginning -- "Aristarchus - Distance to the Sun."
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So you're not able to see anything in the exercise or experiment because you chose to stop watching.
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Instead of learning what the exercise and experiment have to offer, you have instead chosen to run off on a tangent.
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This is what is meant by nescience -- the choice to remain ignorant for any one of, or a combination of reasons.
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I agree that IF the video author mentions Eratosthenes it does no good, as that subject only confuses the issue.
But he didn't mention Eratosthenes. He mentioned Aristarchus. Different Greek guy, different study.
There is no mention here of lengths of shadows or the angle of the sun's rays striking the earth.
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He was attempting to lend credibility to his exercise and experiment, but when viewers are only looking for error, who knows?
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He could have mentioned Eratosthenes at the very END, along with how it presumes parallel sun rays.
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The degree of parallelness of the sun's rays must first be established and that is no small project, best left for another day!

[Cera]

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While the motion of these physical bodies is an important topic, it is not inherently related to their shape, as you imply.
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The shape (generally speaking) of the moon is objectively observable, especially with a telescope.
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The shape of the sun is equally observable, but you need special equipment, like solar filters and solar photography.
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By the same operations, the shape of the earth is demonstrated by the things I have mentioned, regardless of motion.
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The sphericity of the earth is not a "theory," rather it is objectively known by the first level of observations.

Hi Neil,
Two questions:
Did you ever wonder why we see only one side of the moon?
Do you think we have been lied to by NASA, by the government or by the so-called "educational system"?

“They want you to believe that the Moon’s rotation is perfectly synchronized with its orbit so that’s why we only ever see one side of the Moon, rather than conclude the obvious – that the Moon is simply NOT rotating. Moreover, they had to slow down the Moon’s speed by 58,870 mph AND reverse its direction to West-East to successfully sell their phony heliocentricity system to a gullible public. I don’t think there is one person in many, many thousands – regardless of education – who knows that the Copernican Model had to turn the Moon’s observable direction around and give it a new speed to accommodate the phases and eclipses.” -Marshall Hall

“The Moon presented a special math problem for the construction of the heliocentricity model. The only way to make the Moon fit in with the other assumptions was to reverse its direction from that of what everyone who has ever lived has seen it go. The math model couldn’t just stop the Moon like it did the Sun, that wouldn’t work. And it couldn’t let it continue to go East to West as we see it go, either at the same speed or at a different speed. The only option was to reverse its observed East to West direction and change its speed from about 64,000 miles an hour to about 2,200 miles an hour. This reversal along with the change in speed were unavoidable assumptions that needed to be adopted if the model was to have a chance of mimicking reality.” -Bernard Brauer   

[Cera]

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By stopping at that point, you miss the whole point of the video. The video has nothing to do with what Eratosthenes did.
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In fact, this video never mentions Eratosthenes. Your mistake!
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BESIDES THAT, you stopped because you THOUGHT he said "Eratosthenes" but he in fact said ARISTARCHUS.
He even spelled it out across the screen at the beginning -- "Aristarchus - Distance to the Sun."
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So you're not able to see anything in the exercise or experiment because you chose to stop watching.
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Instead of learning what the exercise and experiment have to offer, you have instead chosen to run off on a tangent.
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This is what is meant by nescience -- the choice to remain ignorant for any one of, or a combination of reasons.
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I agree that IF the video author mentions Eratosthenes it does no good, as that subject only confuses the issue.
But he didn't mention Eratosthenes. He mentioned Aristarchus. Different Greek guy, different study.
There is no mention here of lengths of shadows or the angle of the sun's rays striking the earth.
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He was attempting to lend credibility to his exercise and experiment, but when viewers are only looking for error, who knows?
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He could have mentioned Eratosthenes at the very END, along with how it presumes parallel sun rays.
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The degree of parallelness of the sun's rays must first be established and that is no small project, best left for another day!

Thank you Neil. I don't see those with whom I disagree as adversaries, rather I see them as helpers to learn more. Like everyone else, I was "taught" heliocentric globe theory as if it were fact, then I learned about Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ/ Sun Worship and Heliocentric theory being Freemasonic and gradually changed to Geocentric Theory. After a couple of books, hours of NASA research and other research I began flirting with the socially unacceptable Flat Earth Theory. I am not married to any theory which does not affect my salvation, so all of this is a side issue to me.
I found this and thought you might be interested.

Astronomy 1101: Planets to Cosmos

Aristarchus and Eratosthenes
Key Ideas:
Angular Units: Degrees (º), Minutes ('), & Seconds of arc ('')
Circles and Spheres: Circuмference, Surface area, Volume
Ancient ideas about the Earth.

• Flat Earth and World Ocean

The Spherical Earth

• Appeal to perfect symmetry
• Demonstration by Aristotle

Aristarchus:

• Derivation of Earth-Moon distance.
• Derivation of Earth-Sun distance.

Eratosthenes :

• Derivation of the Earth's circuмference.
• Claudius Ptolemy

[Cera]

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By stopping at that point, you miss the whole point of the video. The video has nothing to do with what Eratosthenes did.
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In fact, this video never mentions Eratosthenes. Your mistake!
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BESIDES THAT, you stopped because you THOUGHT he said "Eratosthenes" but he in fact said ARISTARCHUS.
He even spelled it out across the screen at the beginning -- "Aristarchus - Distance to the Sun."
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So you're not able to see anything in the exercise or experiment because you chose to stop watching.
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Instead of learning what the exercise and experiment have to offer, you have instead chosen to run off on a tangent.
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This is what is meant by nescience -- the choice to remain ignorant for any one of, or a combination of reasons.
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I agree that IF the video author mentions Eratosthenes it does no good, as that subject only confuses the issue.
But he didn't mention Eratosthenes. He mentioned Aristarchus. Different Greek guy, different study.
There is no mention here of lengths of shadows or the angle of the sun's rays striking the earth.
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He was attempting to lend credibility to his exercise and experiment, but when viewers are only looking for error, who knows?
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He could have mentioned Eratosthenes at the very END, along with how it presumes parallel sun rays.
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The degree of parallelness of the sun's rays must first be established and that is no small project, best left for another day!

I will watch the video soon!

[Neil Obstat]

I found this and thought you might be interested.  

Astronomy 1101: Planets to Cosmos

Aristarchus and Eratosthenes
Key Ideas:
Angular Units: Degrees (º), Minutes ('), & Seconds of arc ('')
Circles and Spheres: Circuмference, Surface area, Volume
Ancient ideas about the Earth.
The Spherical Earth
Aristarchus:
Eratosthenes :

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I have no idea what you're attempting to say here.
That looks like an excerpt from a Table of Contents or someone's abstract/outline.
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Did you copy that off of a course catalog from some community college website?

[Neil Obstat]

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Example of the level of discourse found online regarding  flat-earthdomism:
Subject, Bering Strait submarine tunnel boring project.
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dumbass saw
2 months ago
they could not do this if we lived on a globe. just something else to think about.



Key West Steve
Key West Steve
2 months ago
Really???  You can't drill a hole in a globe?  That's the kind of stupidity that breeds flat-earth imbeciles.  If you MUST believe in some sort of conspiracy theory to make yourself fell special you should really pick one that doesn't make you look like a complete idiot.

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dumbass saw
dumbass saw
2 months ago
+Key West Steve  go do your own research there ain't no curvature. technology is allowing us to unbrainwash ourselves obviously the ones who feels special are the ones who can't learn nothing but what they taught you  and then talk down to somebody to make yourself feel special there is I whole lot of evidence that you can't see cuz you're blind



Key West Steve
Key West Steve
2 months ago
...sigh... I normally don't waste time explaining things to flat-earthers because seriously, what good can it do.  If you want a life-changing experience, go out on the ocean or even sit on a dock where large ships come and go and watch a ship go out to sea.  Watch it drop lower and lower on the horizon until all you can see is the mast and then that drops away- THAT is the curvature of the earth and you can see it for yourself.  Approximately 1 degree for every 70 miles.  It's not a theory and every sailor and pilot in the world has seen it for themselves.  That's as nice as I can be on the subject.
 
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dumbass saw
dumbass saw
2 months ago
+Key West Steve  now what you should do is get one of these new powerful zooming cameras and you watch that same ship and when you see it disappear over the curvature that's not there pick your camera up and zoom in as far as it'll go and you'll see that same ship and you'll see where it touches the water because it's floating. don't talk no crap especially when all you're doing is regurgitating what somebody else told you. go try it and find that ship  you say disappeared over the curvature. Hahaha
 


dumbass saw
dumbass saw
2 months ago
+Key West Steve  what you should do Steve is get one of these new superzoom cameras and once you see it disappear cuz your perspective is just like everybody else's. pick that camera up and zoom it in as far as it'll go and you'll see that ship that disappeared and maybe you'll be nice to yourself and quit regurgitating stuff that you read or that was taught to you.. thank you very much



Key West Steve
Key West Steve
2 months ago
The only one of us who is just regurgitating what somebody else told them is you.  You saw some web-trash conspiracy theory video online and against all logical information you decided to "believe in" stupid crap. So, if for some bizarre reason you need to think it's flat, that the space program is fake, that all of the other ROUND moons, planets and the sun are being projected on a giant monitor larger than the whole world and that every picture of the Earth from space is a big con-job and that every scientist and sailor and teacher from every country on Earth for the last 600 years have all been working together to perpetrate this huge lie all just to trick people into thinking the flat earth is really round but you with your 78 IQ and a handful of other mental giants are the only ones to see through it- you go right ahead genius.
 
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dumbass saw
dumbass saw
2 months ago
+Key West Steve it is actually 130. All I said was go get a camera and find that ship. to speculate or infer that I believe all that other crap makes you a mental midget. Also one who is highly ignorant of finding out what facts are. name callers are usually the one's who lack competence. have a good day( shorty). I was taught the same thing as you. It just doesn't make any sense.  spinning 1000 m.p.h. on axis then spinning 66000 m.p.h. round the sun then shooting straight in one direction. everything staying together.  Then you'll say gravity.  I will say go back and look.  gravity is still just a theory they have not proven. but they sold it to billions who bought it. Then I would say must just be your head spinning but I digress. it is almost impossible to un-brainwash ones self. pious darwinian??? Who knows? but really who cares? I will slaughter your intellectualism.  promise. my first statement was to make you think not spew.  thank you very much
 


Key West Steve
Key West Steve
2 months ago
dumbass saw your brain is broken and I can't fix it for you.  I won't waste my time explaining the laws of physics that virtually require a mass formed in space to be in the form of a globe because that would be like explaining calculus to a termite.  You definitely rank among the the top of the list when it comes to being one of the most ignorant people who have ever lived so at least you have set yourself apart and if that makes you happy then be happy.  You're not hurting anybody so more power to you.  I'm going to go outside now and teach a roach how to roll over and play dead and I have a feeling it will be smarter than you.
 
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Key West Steve
Key West Steve
2 months ago (edited)
dumbass saw oh, and one more thing I guess I should have mentioned right up front, I served in the military and have traveled many places throughout the world and guess what? We didn't reach the end of the Earth and have to turn around and go  you can easily prove you're right though if you really thought you were, just go to the edge of the Flat Earth and take a selfie and post it and you'll be the most famous person who ever lived. But ask yourself this, why haven't any of your other flat earther morons done that already? Also, 1491 called, it misses you!
 
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dumbass saw
dumbass saw
2 months ago
+Key West Steve my brain is fine and I don't want you to fix anything of mine. I did not even ask. I see you think you're rather intelligent. what are the laws of physics? Do you even know? Cuz there are many. physics is different than chemistry and biology in the fact that it deals with things like light magnetism sound and the physical properties and phenomena of things. gravity would have to be a magic trick to fool self thought intelligent people. there is no force that could keep anything in place spinning 1000 miles per hour and at the same time let the rainfall or the wind blow or keep all that water in place. go back to the playground find a merry-go-round put the back tire of a motorcycle on the side wall. So when you give it gas the thing will spin. now you get on it and I guarantee at 45 miles an hour you or anyone you know will not be able to hold on. There is one test you could do with your physics. then get a telescope and look at any of the planets or any of the Stars. not the moon or the Sun. all you will see is flickering light the globe planets you see from NASA are all computer-generated. I don't think you know calculus because that would take a little intelligence. intelligent people don't try and put someone down cuz they don't understand what intelligence knows. People who do that are idiots who have something to prove. Go get one of those cameras and see for yourself. I would try and get out of this conversation too but I don't have anything to prove. The only thing I hurt was your feelings and I apologize. just a word of advice. I would not admit in a public forum that I try to teach termites calculus. definitely quit trying to teach a roach anything. that is something that makes you look stupid as well you know. just saying. have you seen the video where are NASA astronauts darkened The Craft and filmed the Earth through a porthole window. then told the world this is our globe. then how come after they sent the monkey in the rocket, I don't remember how many but it was a bunch of them. they shot atom bombs at the sky with way more tonnage then they shot at the Japanese. they still didn't get through the firmament. I heard President Obama tell the world we have not gotten past lower Earth orbit. why did Hillary tell the world y'all may not know it but we live under a glass ceiling and we didn't get through it but there's a million cracks in it now. that is public record. then tell me genius how come Polaris only moves about a degree. it is almost perfectly stationary. tell me with your enlightened self. in case you didn't know Polaris is the North Star. just answer those questions. they shouldn't be hard the way your teaching these insects in our ways. turn the TV off and quit smoking whatever it is I think it's broke your brain. thank you very much. here's one for you. how come in the sediment layers of the Earth which they try and age the Earth with. how can you get a tree and there are many of them . but how do you get a tree with roots in the Jurassic period and the vertical tree goes through three or four layers of sediment. which would indicate that tree being millions and millions and millions of years old. let me tell you what happened dinosaurs walked with men. there are a million fossils out there to prove it. and after the great flood that every civilization has written about when the waters where disappearing and all the sediment layers were formed at the same time. do you know why the dinosaurs were on the bottom ? it was because of density. the heaviest Things fall to the bottom with the heaviest sediments. then the lighter things are at the top with the lighter sediments. nope wasn't gravity. okay man enlighten me some more. thank you
 

dumbass saw
2 months ago
+Key West Steve  if you were in the military I appreciate your service. I have flown an airplane. there is no constant pushing down on the control to compensate for the curvature. you assume a lot things you have no idea about. they don't let tourists go to far in Antarctica. why does the United Nations have a flat Earth map as their logo? there are some things you should answer for yourself go do some of these tests you say I got off the internet. you can't be lazy if you were in the military   look around man. if you jumped in a helicopter and flew straight up spinning a thousand miles an hour you should go a thousand miles just flying straight up if you were there for an hour. oh the atmosphere and the gravity is keeping you perfectly in line with a thousand mile an hour spinning Earth. that's not physics that's delusion. we could go on and on but until you pick up that camera and zoom it in on that ship you say went over the curvature nothing will change.  thank you sir. you just follow orders and they ordered you wrong. and you believed it. Darwin's college education was in religion. Not science. where are all the missing links the fossil record doesn't lie it's the people who found the fossils and the powers that be who have been hiding all this shit but it's coming the Great Awakening people with their head in their ass are going to pull it out all they're going to smell shit but it's way better then being a piece. just go get that damn camera and zoom that son of Inn then put your head back in your ass I'm sick of smelling it. I can play this game too it accomplishes nothing hey were serving yourself. IQ 2 not me but you.
 


Deebz270
Deebz270
2 months ago
Well for a start off you dumbass saw  (...It's all in the name you know....?)
Judging by your standard of grammar, which would indicate mediocre education...  It is not surprising that you are a complete idiot.  

The world is an oblate spheroid.   It is NOT FLAT, in fact this would be a complete physical impossibility.    I am both a sailor and ex-submariner,  I have studied navigation.  I can assure you that you are the blind one here.   I have also SEEN the curvature of the earth.   Simple physics can show that the surface of the earth is curved.   

DO REAL SCIENCE  -  NOT BULLSHIT.
 
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Deebz270
Deebz270
2 months ago (edited)
Jeezus!  How can anyone be this stupid?    If you've flown an aircraft (which is seriously doubt....  Though I have several times....) you will have SEEN the curvature of the Earth.   Either that, or you really are blind!   Your standard of English is atrocious.   You are far from intelligent.   And jee-wiz,  well actually physics governs all science, including chemistry and biology (merely sub sets of physics...).    It is actually astrophysics that applies here.  

And Geodesy is the discipline, you certainly need to research, to enlighten yourself on why the planet, along with all other known planets and moons is spherical in shape.  

Of course, what strikes me, is that what you were taught was so confusing to you?   Or are  you are some great latent genius who has decided that continuous empirical science is wrong.    You are seriously retarded mate.
 
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dumbass saw
dumbass saw
2 months ago
+Deebz270 I am the mirror. you are the liar. nobody asked you anything. shut up



dumbass saw
dumbass saw
2 months ago
+Deebz270  brainwashed baboon nobody asked you nothing. sit on the beach watch the ship disappear get one of these bad ass Nikon super-zoom cameras zoom in find the ship. period that is real science obviously you can't afford it or you have an agenda if you selling so much you probably a cocksucker  also. don't mess with me



dumbass saw
dumbass saw
2 months ago
+Deebz270 lookup the definition of physics it will tell you that it is clearly different from biology and chemistry I read the definition who's the blind one here I don't think you read it therefore all that shit you say I can never believe anything. as far as flying an airplane I did it  no  curvature brainwashed by phone got something to prove don't mess with me

[Neil Obstat]

I will watch the video soon!

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Still waiting for something to watch the video? It's been 12 days now.