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Offline Matto

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Flat earth sunrise and sunset.
« on: December 24, 2016, 10:53:23 AM »
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    Since my own discovery of the flat earth, I am coming to the conclusion that the ones actually lacking in intelligence are the ball-earthers, and the truly smart ones are the flat earthers BECAUSE THEY CAN SEE IT.

    I have thought about this issue a lot and the idea of a flat earth seems absurd to me because as far as I can understand it, it seems impossible to reconcile with what I observe. The main point that makes it seem impossible to me is the movement of the sun and sunrise and sunset. I cannot see how that is reconcilable with a flat earth. I just cannot understand it and I have tried. This thread is for one part of the flat earth theory, discussion on how the movement of the sun and sunrise and sunset works in a flat earth model.

    On the heliocentric round earth model it makes sense, on the geocentric round earth model it makes sense, but on the flat earth model it does not make sense to me.
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    « Reply #1 on: December 24, 2016, 11:14:57 AM »
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    « Reply #2 on: December 24, 2016, 11:24:53 AM »
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  • Yes I have seen a similar graphic before. I think it is absurd and does not work. Just to point out one problem with that graphic, if that were true then when the sun was at sunrise or sunset it wouldn't look like the sun was going down or up as it does, it would  look like the sun is going sideways because of the curvature of the flat earth and the curve of the sun's movement. Also if the sun never really went down below the earth you would be able to see it always because there is nothing blocking the rays of the sun. If there is nothing between the sun and us, as on the flat earth model, then the rays should always reach us.
    Maybe I am mistaken but I cannot get it to work in my mind.
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    « Reply #3 on: December 24, 2016, 11:25:50 AM »
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  • The sun and moon travel in a circuit (a circular path) over the flat plane of the earth.

    The phenomenon of "rising" and "setting" are due to the law of perspective from your point of view as you view the sun as it approaches you from the east, passes overhead, then moves away from you toward the west.

    p-brane explains and illustrates it well, go to the 10:30 mark:

    [youtube]https://www.youtube.com/embed/GDaiw-G1VGE[/youtube]

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    « Reply #4 on: December 24, 2016, 11:31:31 AM »
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    Yes I have seen a similar graphic before. I think it is absurd and does not work. Just to point out one problem with that graphic, if that were true then when the sun was at sunrise or sunset it wouldn't look like the sun was going down or up as it does, it would  look like the sun is going sideways because of the curvature of the flat earth and the curve of the sun's movement. Also if the sun never really went down below the earth you would be able to see it always because there is nothing blocking the rays of the sun. If there is nothing between the sun and us, as on the flat earth model, then the rays should always reach us.
    Maybe I am mistaken but I cannot get it to work in my mind.


    That graphic is an overhead, bird's eye view. Perhaps you need an edge-on side view graphic, more like this.

    The sun's rays are very limited. The sun casts a limited circle of light, it is NOT infinite, nor constant. Einstein was wrong. That is why you have half the earth covered in light where the sun is passing over, while the other half is enclosed in darkness where the sun is not. The earth is incredibly more vast than you can imagine. The distances seen even from a high altitude balloon only cover about 500-700 miles at most. Think about that: the USA landmass alone is nearly THREE THOUSAND miles across.


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    « Reply #5 on: December 24, 2016, 12:11:23 PM »
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    Yes I have seen a similar graphic before. I think it is absurd and does not work. Just to point out one problem with that graphic, if that were true then when the sun was at sunrise or sunset it wouldn't look like the sun was going down or up as it does, it would  look like the sun is going sideways because of the curvature of the flat earth and the curve of the sun's movement. Also if the sun never really went down below the earth you would be able to see it always because there is nothing blocking the rays of the sun. If there is nothing between the sun and us, as on the flat earth model, then the rays should always reach us.
    Maybe I am mistaken but I cannot get it to work in my mind.


    I do not believe the sun is not rotating flat to the horizon line.
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    « Reply #6 on: December 24, 2016, 10:17:04 PM »
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  • The reason it doesn't make sense is because it's impossible unless you ignore the laws of perspective and invent a new version that involves light bending at sharp angles when it needs to give the illusion of the sun going beneath the horizon, but ONLY when it's convenient. It makes lots of sense, really...

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    « Reply #7 on: December 25, 2016, 02:29:18 AM »
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    The reason it doesn't make sense is because it's impossible unless you ignore the laws of perspective and invent a new version that involves light bending at sharp angles when it needs to give the illusion of the sun going beneath the horizon, but ONLY when it's convenient. It makes lots of sense, really...


    The laws of perspective prove the earth to be flat.

    The Flat Earth The True Law of Perspective

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    « Reply #8 on: December 26, 2016, 02:50:17 PM »
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    Yes I have seen a similar graphic before. I think it is absurd and does not work. Just to point out one problem with that graphic, if that were true then when the sun was at sunrise or sunset it wouldn't look like the sun was going down or up as it does, it would  look like the sun is going sideways because of the curvature of the flat earth and the curve of the sun's movement. Also if the sun never really went down below the earth you would be able to see it always because there is nothing blocking the rays of the sun. If there is nothing between the sun and us, as on the flat earth model, then the rays should always reach us.
    Maybe I am mistaken but I cannot get it to work in my mind.


    Happy Christmas. Thanks for asking honest questions and treating us with respect.

    There is no obligation to believe as a flat earth that the sun and moon are flat discs. They could be spheres.

    Just skip to the pictures which explain well, rather than watch, but this video has some good images which explain how the law of perspective works. Check out the one with the dog and the boat.

    If the sun was a sphere you objection would be better answered. There are also possible atmospheric conditions to be taken into account as the sun clearly changes in size.

    The law of perspective does answer your question about the rays never going away when you reflect about it.

    Another thing to say, is that if it is just to difficult, remember that modern astronomy makes us think we have the answer to everything and can see much further than we can. Now all of that is based on a faulty premise.

    If you are still not convinced, then just focus on the curvature issue. The most scientific and irrefutable part of the flat earth which makes all the rest of the modern system fall to pieces.

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    « Reply #9 on: December 26, 2016, 03:14:06 PM »
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  • The reason perspective answers the question is cos the the sun is  not as big as we are used to thinking it is.

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    Re: Flat earth sunrise and sunset.
    « Reply #10 on: May 29, 2018, 12:10:47 AM »
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  • Yes I have seen a similar graphic before. I think it is absurd and does not work. Just to point out one problem with that graphic, if that were true then when the sun was at sunrise or sunset it wouldn't look like the sun was going down or up as it does, it would  look like the sun is going sideways because of the curvature of the flat earth and the curve of the sun's movement. Also if the sun never really went down below the earth you would be able to see it always because there is nothing blocking the rays of the sun. If there is nothing between the sun and us, as on the flat earth model, then the rays should always reach us.
    Maybe I am mistaken but I cannot get it to work in my mind.
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    Matto, flat-earthers would have you consider the ancient opinion of Cosmas who believed there must be a great Mountain in the northern region where the sun passing behind it every day casts a great SHADOW over the other side of the "flat" earth.
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    BTW that would also explain why the sun seems to go down in the west just as the great Mountain's shadow turns day to night!
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    Now all you have to do is to believe in a mythical great Mountain in the northern region of Earth!
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    « Reply #11 on: August 26, 2018, 04:31:35 AM »
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  • I have thought about this issue a lot and the idea of a flat earth seems absurd to me because as far as I can understand it, it seems impossible to reconcile with what I observe. The main point that makes it seem impossible to me is the movement of the sun and sunrise and sunset. I cannot see how that is reconcilable with a flat earth. I just cannot understand it and I have tried. This thread is for one part of the flat earth theory [syndrome] discussion on how the movement of the sun and sunrise and sunset works in a flat earth model.

    On the heliocentric round earth model it makes sense, on the geocentric round earth model it makes sense, but on the flat earth model it does not make sense to me.
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    An entire thread devoted to one question, and even after 18 months and 10 replies, no intelligible answer is in sight.
    Looks a lot like there IS no intelligible answer to this excellent question. 
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    « Reply #12 on: August 27, 2018, 06:16:06 AM »
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  • It's just a case of perspective. Things converge at the horizon.

    I actually don't believe flat earth theory for its other issues, but I don't understand the issue with sunrise and sunset. The model seems to explain that fine.

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    « Reply #13 on: August 27, 2018, 10:17:50 AM »
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  • It's just a case of perspective. Things converge at the horizon.

    I actually don't believe flat earth theory for its other issues, but I don't understand the issue with sunrise and sunset. The model seems to explain that fine.
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    What "model?"
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    « Reply #14 on: August 27, 2018, 01:11:06 PM »
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    What "model?"
    perspective flat-earth sunset