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Re: Flat Earth quotes
« Reply #5 on: May 12, 2020, 03:54:32 PM »
I am completely convinced of a stationary earth and Geocentrism, and open to but not really convinced of flat earth yet. What are some Saints, and quotes from them, showing they believed in a flat earth, and ideally why.
Here is a good quote as to how Catholics should look at this topic, the bold parts especially:


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Basil, Hexaemeron: “Those who have written about the nature of the universe have discussed at length the shape of the earth. If it be spherical or cylindrical, if it resemble a disc and is equally rounded in all parts, or if it has the forth of a winnowing basket and is hollow in the middle; all these conjectures have been suggested by cosmographers, each one upsetting that of his predecessor. It will not lead me to give less importance to the creation of the universe, that the servant of God, Moses, is silent as to shapes; he has not said that the earth is a hundred and eighty thousand furlongs in circuмference; he has not measured into what extent of air its shadow projects itself whilst the sun revolves around it, nor stated how this shadow, casting itself upon the moon, produces eclipses. He has passed over in silence, as useless, all that is unimportant for us. Shall I then prefer foolish wisdom to the oracles of the Holy Spirit? Shall I not rather exalt Him who, not wishing to fill our minds with these vanities, has regulated all the economy of Scripture in view of the edification and the making perfect of our souls? It is this which those seem to me not to have understood, who, giving themselves up to the distorted meaning of allegory, have undertaken to give a majesty of their own invention to Scripture. It is to believe themselves wiser than the Holy Spirit, and to bring forth their own ideas under a pretext of exegesis. Let us hear Scripture as it has been written.”

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Re: Flat Earth quotes
« Reply #6 on: May 24, 2020, 08:45:40 PM »
Here is a good quote as to how Catholics should look at this topic, the bold parts especially:
Obviously, Basil's point is being missed here, since the shape of the earth does matter.  Just not in the context in which he's speaking.  We can be sure that at least one of the popular models is false. 


Re: Flat Earth quotes
« Reply #7 on: May 25, 2020, 07:46:02 AM »
Obviously, Basil's point is being missed here, since the shape of the earth does matter.  Just not in the context in which he's speaking.  We can be sure that at least one of the popular models is false.

There is no reason that people can't discuss it as a matter of science.  But it is common for flat earth proponents on this forum (and presumably elsewhere) to claim that it is spiritually superior to believe in flat earth.  St. Basil's teaching makes that position untenable.

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Re: Flat Earth quotes
« Reply #8 on: May 25, 2020, 10:11:47 AM »
Flat earth can and should be discussed in light of earlier Christians teachings and beliefs in order to get to the truth of the matter.  Dismissing the possibility of a flat earth by making heliocentrism and the globe earth a forgone conclusion is neither scientific nor spiritual.  

Re: Flat Earth quotes
« Reply #9 on: May 25, 2020, 11:36:56 AM »
Flat earth can and should be discussed in light of earlier Christians teachings and beliefs in order to get to the truth of the matter.  Dismissing the possibility of a flat earth by making heliocentrism and the globe earth a forgone conclusion is neither scientific nor spiritual.  
Both St. Basil and St. Augustine taught that shape of the earth has no spiritual significance and that Scripture is silent on the subject.  This belief has persisted throughout the history of the Church and is repeated in magisterial docuмents. Starting with St. Bede around 700 AD the shape of the earth was unambiguously treated as a matter of science.  The science accepted by Catholics from this point on was globe earth.  (The line between science and religion was more complicated with geocentrism, but heliocentrism became acceptable in the 1700s.)

A discussion of earlier Christian teaching and beliefs supports the position of Sts. Basil and Augustine.  The shape of the earth is not part of the faith and does not matter to the faith. If you want to discuss the science with no forgone conclusion, go ahead.  You are free to believe flat earth as far as the Church cares, but you can't claim it is a Catholic belief or teaching.