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Re: Flat Earth quotes
« Reply #15 on: May 27, 2020, 07:18:46 AM »
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  • With little or unimpressive contrary information, along with weak non responses, I'm becoming convinced of a flat geocentric earth.  

    I believe it was St Augustine who warned Catholics not to bring the Catholic faith into disrepute by way of false interpretations of Scripture or Catholic beliefs.

    History records the damage heliocentrism did to human belief in the supernatural. When both in Church and state accepted the lie that science had falsified the geocentrism of Scripture, and that this new 'science' should be used to interpret Scripture, the supernaturalism of the Creation by God was replaced by a secular, naturalistic evolution of creation. Beginning with popes accepting a solar system the Church had defined as formal heresy, they then had to accept its evolution by way of the Nebular theory. From then on EVOLUTION became the truth and popes had to try to make this no-need-for-a- God-evolution a God-driven-evolution. When in 1951 or so, Pope Piuis XII went before the PAS and tried to convince all the Big Bang was God's way of Creation, followed by every pope since, this led to Pope Francis telling all 'God in not a magician, he cannot wave a wand and all appears created. The only way such creation can happen is by way of an evolved creation. Yes, they are all into Teilhard de Chardin now. Throughout these centuries, billions dismissed a supernatural cause and became non believers. The latest for scientistsd is that only about 7% of them are still believers, the rest atheists.

    Now that the deductive method of science has shown geocentrism was never proven wrong, with all the evidence pointing to a geocentric biblical world, it is time again for Satan to try to undermine the new faith in a geocentric Genesis. This can be seen in tradman's new found belief in flat-Earth geocentrism which he has been convinced has biblical backing. This joke of flat Earthism will now bring geocentrism down to its level. St Augustine must be shaking in his grave.

    Only if ALL of the Fathers had the same understanding of the Bible was that understanding a truth of faith. Now if some Fathers believed in a flat earth, so what. They lived in ancient times, long before the science of geodesy, long before satellites showed us the curve of the Earth. And please do not insult us by saying all those satellites that allow CIF members all around the world to communicate with each other do not exist, or that the earth curves shown are manufactured to fool mankind or whatever.

    But there is further proof that a flat-earth was never Church teaching according to the Bible or philosophy. For 300 years the Church fought off the Pythagorean heresies, both doctrinal and philosophical. Bruno ended up burned at the stake for holding on to some of them, heresies and philosophical errors that have beern indulged in by popes since 1835 as though they were never condemned in the first place. When the heliocentric heresy was adopted so too came all the other heresies back, heresies like many worlds with intelligent life on them. If the inductive method can find a heresy false today, well then, it never existed in the first place. Now that is some Catholicism. Now it was Pythagoras who was one of the first philosophers who said the Earth is a globe. Yet not once in 500 years did the Church ever challenge this Pythagorean belief while condemning many of the others. So to say the Bible says the Earth is flat is to say the Church got it wrong and allowed a false belief to be believed by mankind.

    Now you can believe in a flat Earth if you want, but do not undermine the doctrine of geocentrism of 1835 years, a dogma defined and declared by Pope Paul V in 1616, by attaching the flat-Earth belief to it. I am a biblical and scientific geocentrist and I have no time for those who try to make a flat Earth Catholic.

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    Re: Flat Earth quotes
    « Reply #16 on: May 27, 2020, 09:17:02 AM »
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  • While I do not go as far as cassini and do not identify myself as a geocentrist, I respect his opinion on the subject.  I consider him to be taking a reasonable position in terms of Catholic theology and history.  

    We should not conflate geocentrism with flat earth.  The former is the historic belief of Catholics, the latter is not.


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    Re: Flat Earth quotes
    « Reply #17 on: May 27, 2020, 05:19:49 PM »
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  • I'm interested in hearing about the majority of scholars that consider St. Augustine believed in the globe earth philosophy/science. Who are they?  Who are the 5 Fathers who wrote about the flat earth?  What anti-Catholics are using Fathers to discredit us?  
    I agree, I don't want the Church teaching misrepresented!

    Those Church Fathers who taught a flat earth are easily dismissed as being not the least bit relevant to any kind of reality, since these don't have the approval of the globe earthers here.

    The Church does not teach that the earth is a globe. We are free to speculate. But.... in order to shut down the discussion, the globe earthers will say that we are not allowed to use Church teachings, Scripture, or the Fathers in order to show a flat earth. They cannot allow the discussion, so they resort to their usual tactics.

    JayneK is a special forum member, and as such, she's allowed to post whatever she likes. Including telling other Catholics what they (we) are supposed to believe or not believe, since she is a theologian.
    "There is no religion higher than my own opinion."

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    Re: Flat Earth quotes
    « Reply #18 on: May 28, 2020, 10:14:39 AM »
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  • I believe it was St Augustine who warned Catholics not to bring the Catholic faith into disrepute by way of false interpretations of Scripture or Catholic beliefs.

    History records the damage heliocentrism did to human belief in the supernatural. When both in Church and state accepted the lie that science had falsified the geocentrism of Scripture, and that this new 'science' should be used to interpret Scripture, the supernaturalism of the Creation by God was replaced by a secular, naturalistic evolution of creation. Beginning with popes accepting a solar system the Church had defined as formal heresy, they then had to accept its evolution by way of the Nebular theory. From then on EVOLUTION became the truth and popes had to try to make this no-need-for-a- God-evolution a God-driven-evolution. When in 1951 or so, Pope Piuis XII went before the PAS and tried to convince all the Big Bang was God's way of Creation, followed by every pope since, this led to Pope Francis telling all 'God in not a magician, he cannot wave a wand and all appears created. The only way such creation can happen is by way of an evolved creation. Yes, they are all into Teilhard de Chardin now. Throughout these centuries, billions dismissed a supernatural cause and became non believers. The latest for scientistsd is that only about 7% of them are still believers, the rest atheists.

    Now that the deductive method of science has shown geocentrism was never proven wrong, with all the evidence pointing to a geocentric biblical world, it is time again for Satan to try to undermine the new faith in a geocentric Genesis. This can be seen in tradman's new found belief in flat-Earth geocentrism which he has been convinced has biblical backing. This joke of flat Earthism will now bring geocentrism down to its level. St Augustine must be shaking in his grave.

    Only if ALL of the Fathers had the same understanding of the Bible was that understanding a truth of faith. Now if some Fathers believed in a flat earth, so what. They lived in ancient times, long before the science of geodesy, long before satellites showed us the curve of the Earth. And please do not insult us by saying all those satellites that allow CIF members all around the world to communicate with each other do not exist, or that the earth curves shown are manufactured to fool mankind or whatever.

    But there is further proof that a flat-earth was never Church teaching according to the Bible or philosophy. For 300 years the Church fought off the Pythagorean heresies, both doctrinal and philosophical. Bruno ended up burned at the stake for holding on to some of them, heresies and philosophical errors that have beern indulged in by popes since 1835 as though they were never condemned in the first place. When the heliocentric heresy was adopted so too came all the other heresies back, heresies like many worlds with intelligent life on them. If the inductive method can find a heresy false today, well then, it never existed in the first place. Now that is some Catholicism. Now it was Pythagoras who was one of the first philosophers who said the Earth is a globe. Yet not once in 500 years did the Church ever challenge this Pythagorean belief while condemning many of the others. So to say the Bible says the Earth is flat is to say the Church got it wrong and allowed a false belief to be believed by mankind.

    Now you can believe in a flat Earth if you want, but do not undermine the doctrine of geocentrism of 1835 years, a dogma defined and declared by Pope Paul V in 1616, by attaching the flat-Earth belief to it. I am a biblical and scientific geocentrist and I have no time for those who try to make a flat Earth Catholic.
    Geocentrism and flat earth comprise one model and the spinning ball another, even though confusion about a dangling ball seems to some to be tenable to some. I was taught as a kid that earth "spin" helped keep everything stuck to the earth. Now that that particular notion is no longer used much, the geocentric ball earthers have no explanation for how things stick to opposite sides of a ball, not to mention water.  Star movement is impossible for the sphere earth unless earth spins, which it does not.  With or without spin star progression patterns wouldn't rotate night after night around Polaris since most would disappear around the opposite side of the sphere each night.  But they do not.  Polaris is seen by both Britain and America on the same night, hardly possible on a ball earth. Star trails  affirm this as well. The moon is visible equally at night to most nations all over the world at the same time, although at different heights, as experiments with pictures posted at the same time online proven with people from Australia, England, America, Africa, South America and the Philippines reporting simultaneously as I've participated in these experiments. This is impossible if earth is a ball since half the nations would not be able to see it when the other half are viewing it.  I find it worth the time to delve into the subject.         


     

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