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Online Pax Vobis

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Re: Flat Earth proof - mountain should be COMPLETELY hidden per science
« Reply #40 on: February 09, 2026, 08:18:59 AM »
Classic, typical posts by “St Giles”.  1). The “cloud theory” is utterly preposterous and non-scientific, yet he pushes it anyways.  

2). Yet another (in a long list of examples) where the “see too far” / no-curvature problem is on display, with calculations, and he has no response.  

I’ve yet to see him debate specific examples like this.  Where is the curvature?  Why is this such a difficult thing to answer 

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« Reply #41 on: February 09, 2026, 08:26:02 AM »
Classic, typical posts by “St Giles”.  1). The “cloud theory” is utterly preposterous and non-scientific, yet he pushes it anyways. 

2). Yet another (in a long list of examples) where the “see too far” / no-curvature problem is on display, with calculations, and he has no response. 

I’ve yet to see him debate specific examples like this.  Where is the curvature?  Why is this such a difficult thing to answer

I keep giving them the only quasi-plausible response, and yet for whatever reason they never go there.

Go ahead and argue refraction, and then we could debate that back and forth, but the cloud hypothesis is utterly absurd, for the reasons explained above, and the mathematical equation is clear, and not contested by the Globers.

So that eliminates all but the following:

1) earth is a globe but much bigger than we're told
2) refraction
3) some other possibly-as-yet-unknown force causing light to bend around the contours of the globe

Generally the response has been #2.

But, for whatever reason, they just don't even seem to go there.


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Re: Flat Earth proof - mountain should be COMPLETELY hidden per science
« Reply #42 on: February 09, 2026, 08:26:53 AM »
Sometimes when debating issues and I get bored, I give my "opponent" the best possible argument they can use when they're all over the map with nonsense.  Well, I do that not simply because I'm bored, but also because ...

1) I want to try lay a RATIONAL framework for the debate

2) I'm interested in the truth, so I'm open to any contrary arguments ... it's just that nothing else has made any sense thus far


Re: Flat Earth proof - mountain should be COMPLETELY hidden per science
« Reply #43 on: February 09, 2026, 08:30:43 AM »
Four flat earthers went on the trip: Jeran, Witsit, the gal and the film maker.  Of the four, I believe all but Witsit went globe upon their return. Regarding Jeran being a shill, I have no idea as I never really looked at his work before or after. Witsit is still a geocentrist, however.
If they went globe, how do they explain being able to see things that we shouldn't be able to see?


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« Reply #44 on: February 09, 2026, 12:40:27 PM »
If they went globe, how do they explain being able to see things that we shouldn't be able to see?

They don't ... since there really isn't a good explanation.  I would struggle with that myself ... if I ever reverted to Globery.  In fact, I do that as a thought experiment with most issues, where I pretend I hold the opposite (or a contrary) opinion and try to imagine how I would argue the case for it.

I would probably have to say something like, "well, there must be some force or some laws of physics that are not yet accounted for causing light to bend around the earth, perhaps it's that ether flows around the globe."  That's probably all I could do, since I find "refraction" to be completely absurd.

PS:  not a few people suspected Jeran of being a plant / shill / controlled opposition starting some years ago now.