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Offline Gray2023

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Re: Flat Earth proof - mountain should be COMPLETELY hidden per science
« Reply #15 on: February 06, 2026, 03:36:58 PM »
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  • https://earthcurvature.com/

    https://dizzib.github.io/earth/curve-calc/index.html?d0=175&h0=10&unit=imperial
    What does this note mean at the bottom of the second calculator you attached?

    Note: Using the formula 8 times the distance in miles squared is not accurate for long distances but is fine for practical use.
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    Re: Flat Earth proof - mountain should be COMPLETELY hidden per science
    « Reply #16 on: February 06, 2026, 04:15:17 PM »
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  • So there's an easy rule of thumb that people sometimes use, where you square the number of miles and multiply that by 8 inches.  While some have pooh-poohed that, I've seen charts to where it's accurate to a few feet out to over 100 miles, but didn't see it farther than that.

    Using that formula for 175 miles yields 20,416 feet, whereas the real trigonometric calculation is somewhere in the 19,000+ range.  Not enough to make a difference regarding the point being made here, and it's easy for anyone to scribble down or even do in their head.

    Now, one does have to take into account the elevation of the observer, which the FE folks in these videos always do, since it's critical.  Given the elevation of the obsever, in the video, of 1,000 feet, that results in 12,000+ feet of hidden height, and the elevation of the highest peak of the Canagu range is only 9,000.  That would mean the entire then should be hidden with about 3,000 feet to spare, and yet we see that most of it is visible, with the exception of maybe 1,000 - 2,000 at the bottom due to various factors.  I don't care how you crunch numbers, unless the globe is 10x bigger than the claim, there's no way that physically only the bottom portion of the range would be obscured, and you'd need some massive refraction to pull it off.

    So, another reason that Canigou is critical as an FE proof ... it happens every year.  Refraction is inherently inconsistent, where some years it wouldn't happen at all, other years it would be badly distorted, etc. etc. ... and yet this same exact phenomenon is consistenlty see every year.


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    Re: Flat Earth proof - mountain should be COMPLETELY hidden per science
    « Reply #17 on: February 06, 2026, 06:10:22 PM »
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  • That sounds like the voice of Jeran, one of the flat earthers who went to Antarctica and, for the record, he is now a glober so it would be interesting to hear his thoughts on this now.

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    Re: Flat Earth proof - mountain should be COMPLETELY hidden per science
    « Reply #18 on: February 06, 2026, 07:16:01 PM »
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  • https://earthcurvature.com/

    https://dizzib.github.io/earth/curve-calc/index.html?d0=175&h0=10&unit=imperial
    So, the first calculator you provided, earthcurve.com, is correct and does work and proves my calculation as well as the calculator I'd used. The problem is that you used the wrong distance: the distance in earthcurve.com is from the observer to the halfway point to the object (mountain) in the distance, or in this case, 87.5 miles. The curvature of the Earth (cord height) between two points is measured halfway between them. At 87.5 miles, the result is nearly the same as in my first post:
    That other calculator you sent makes no sense and apparently does not apply to what we're talking about. Look at the results from entering 175 miles and 0 ft. observer elevation. It comes back with "0" for d1. What does that even mean  :facepalm:?:



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  • The distance is the full amount.  There’s nothing on that site that says to use 1/2 the distance.  :facepalm:


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  • The distance is the full amount.  There’s nothing on that site that says to use 1/2 the distance.  :facepalm:

    No, and the 8 inches times miles squared gets you very close to the same numbers.  I'm sure that if these calculators were doubling the distance they would have been called out long ago by the Globers.  I can do the math again, but I have done it for degrees of latitude and longitude for various parts of the alleged globe.  It's accurate.

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  • It's not the "halfway distance" or "distance to the (fictional) horizon". The whole POINT is 

    1. The mountain is X miles away.
    2. The earth curves at a rate of Y.
    3. Therefore the mountain should be hidden by Z miles of curvature.

    The whole POINT of these calculators is to calculate how tall something would have to be, to still be seen despite the "dropping off" due to earth curvature.

    And the calculators are extremely straightforward, easy to use, and criticized by no globe-believers. Except this guy, apparently -- who is showing MASSIVE amounts of cope here.
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    That sounds like the voice of Jeran, one of the flat earthers who went to Antarctica and, for the record, he is now a glober so it would be interesting to hear his thoughts on this now.
    I don't know. I think I remember reading about that about a year ago, and it is not conclusive. It seems like an Ockham's Razor kind of deal. There would need to be more thorough travel and exploration to prove anything. I mean if the earth is a globe, they should try to fly across Antarctica in four evenly intersecting pathways and witness the alleged South Pole.
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    I've never completely gone either way but the 'traditional AE map' (is there another one?) is impossi-ball with the sun directions in Antarctica. Jeran saw that and went globe. Witsit thinks there is more to the 'realm' than we know and is holding out with flatness based on other observations. If the earth is flat, I think the Awake Souls guys might have it with a virtual reality (not a simulation) and a stereographic poles situation (on par with Witsit's 'more to the realm' position). In an unrelated video I saw the US Air Force had created a map in 1961 based on that idea and found it to be the most accurate representation for distances / shapes, etc. This vid, I believe it's the one, debunks the soccer ball earth with a breakdown of actual distance with the result being more of an onion. Who woulda thought? lol Interesting stuff.


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    I don't know. I think I remember reading about that about a year ago, and it is not conclusive. It seems like an Ockham's Razor kind of deal. There would need to be more thorough travel and exploration to prove anything. I mean if the earth is a globe, they should try to fly across Antarctica in four evenly intersecting pathways and witness the alleged South Pole.

    You need to learn more about "Jeran". He sounds like a very bad man. He likely sold out for money, fame, popularity, etc. Remember, anti-flat earth Youtube channels -- the ones whose whole purpose is to mock flat earthers -- make good money. They get prime position from the Youtube algorithm too.

    From what I know (his blasphemies, etc.) it's highly likely he caved for the cash. It takes virtue to hold to principles in the face of earthly temptations. He doesn't have such virtue. I'd be surprised if he *didn't* sell out.
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    Those guys are literally working to corrupt their intellect. They demonstrate the globe, but try every way they can think of to not believe it. That may be the height of tragedy for a truther.
    I've never completely gone either way but the 'traditional AE map' (is there another one?) is impossi-ball with the sun directions in Antarctica. Jeran saw that and went globe. Witsit thinks there is more to the 'realm' than we know and is holding out with flatness based on other observations. If the earth is flat, I think the Awake Souls guys might have it with a virtual reality (not a simulation) and a stereographic poles situation (on par with Witsit's 'more to the realm' position). In an unrelated video I saw the US Air Force had created a map in 1961 based on that idea and found it to be the most accurate representation for distances / shapes, etc. This vid, I believe it's the one, debunks the soccer ball earth with a breakdown of actual distance with the result being more of an onion. Who woulda thought? lol Interesting stuff.


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    You need to learn more about "Jeran". He sounds like a very bad man. He likely sold out for money, fame, popularity, etc. Remember, anti-flat earth Youtube channels -- the ones whose whole purpose is to mock flat earthers -- make good money. They get prime position from the Youtube algorithm too.

    From what I know (his blasphemies, etc.) it's highly likely he caved for the cash. It takes virtue to hold to principles in the face of earthly temptations. He doesn't have such virtue. I'd be surprised if he *didn't* sell out.

    Yes, indeed, because I thought there were others who went on the trip and were still not convinced. Honestly, if somehow a group could somehow penetrate a weak spot somewhere to journey to the ice wall and see what is really there. 
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    The thing is one could say the earth is still round and flat but not spherical nor ellipsoidal. I recall Ladislaus mentioning that the symbolism we see of Our Lord with the orb represents the whole sphere of the firmament and water that contain the round and flat earth. 
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    You need to learn more about "Jeran". He sounds like a very bad man. He likely sold out for money, fame, popularity, etc. Remember, anti-flat earth Youtube channels -- the ones whose whole purpose is to mock flat earthers -- make good money. They get prime position from the Youtube algorithm too.

    From what I know (his blasphemies, etc.) it's highly likely he caved for the cash. It takes virtue to hold to principles in the face of earthly temptations. He doesn't have such virtue. I'd be surprised if he *didn't* sell out.

    Jeran was suspect well before the "Final Experiment" where he was doing stuff to deliberately sabotage FEs.

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    I've never completely gone either way but the 'traditional AE map' (is there another one?) is impossi-ball with the sun directions in Antarctica. Jeran saw that and went globe. Witsit thinks there is more to the 'realm' than we know and is holding out with flatness based on other observations. If the earth is flat, I think the Awake Souls guys might have it with a virtual reality (not a simulation) and a stereographic poles situation (on par with Witsit's 'more to the realm' position). In an unrelated video I saw the US Air Force had created a map in 1961 based on that idea and found it to be the most accurate representation for distances / shapes, etc. This vid, I believe it's the one, debunks the soccer ball earth with a breakdown of actual distance with the result being more of an onion. Who woulda thought? lol Interesting stuff.

    I personally never really bought the "model" where the sun rotates around above the surface of the earth on a parallel plane, and there's one guy who actually has a solid model that takes into account the dome or firmament.  If you do have a dome or firmament that's spherical, the altitude of the sun above the plane of the earth would change, and then if the sun is actually somhow in the firmament, there could be various reflections at different angles throughout.

    None of the matters, though ... since the fact that we can consistently "see too far" by itself falsifies globe, or, at least a globe of the dimensions that modern science claim it is.  Posit a bigger globe.  I'm even open to other explanations such as how ether would bend light around a globular surface ... but none has been proposed.  Refraction is utter nonsense.