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Offline Freind

Re: FLAT EARTH Myth Debunked & Put To Bed
« Reply #15 on: December 07, 2025, 02:53:44 AM »
Quote from: Matthew on December 06, 2025, 10:58:14 PM
I'm going to go with "jet streams" for the explanation. Along with "you have to have an accurate projection" as Ladislaus pointed out.

Not every point is conclusive in one direction, or easily explained/refuted.

This point does not "falsify" the earth being flat, much less does it prove we're on a wet spinning spaceball hurtling through an infinite universe.

It's basic logic.

First you need to start with a map that you consider true.

The default is what the Doctor of the Church, Venerable Bede, wrote in the 8th century:

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“We call the earth a sphere, not because the circle of the circuмference is equally round in all directions, but because, by the compresence of all its parts, it is gathered into the shape of a sphere. Hence, it is that the stars of the northern hemisphere are not visible to the inhabitants of the southern, and conversely, those which are familiar to the southerners are unknown to the northerners."
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Offline Quo vadis Domine

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Re: FLAT EARTH Myth Debunked & Put To Bed
« Reply #16 on: December 07, 2025, 07:05:53 AM »
Quote from: Freind on December 07, 2025, 02:53:44 AM
First you need to start with a map that you consider true.


This is what they just don’t get. They have literally brainwashed themselves and it seems they’re so invested in their “theory” that it’s almost impossible for them to admit they’re wrong. For instance, the FEers that went down to Antartica to witness the 24 hour Sun were almost immediately condemned as controlled opposition when their testimony didn’t match up with their preconceived notions about the shape of the Earth. It was embarrassing to witness. This is the definition of confirmation bias.

You can’t just say that you saw a video on YouTube where some guy (or even multiple people) produced a video and used lasers to prove there was no curvature in the Earth or other supposed evidence. The scientific method doesn’t work that way. Frankly, I have no problem with questioning the status quo, but these FEers are trying to prove their theory in a completely unscientific fashion. None of them are willing to do any experiments or observations themselves and whenever I presented my personal observations or research I was told that I was lying! This is obviously not a Catholic attitude. Observations that people witness every single day can’t be reconciled with any FE map that I’ve ever seen, but I’m willing to keep an infinitesimal opening in my mind that just maybe they could be right and I could be wrong.

I’ve been saying for years now that if these people want to posit a theory, they NEED to have a decent model to explain everyday common observations.
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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: FLAT EARTH Myth Debunked & Put To Bed
« Reply #17 on: December 07, 2025, 07:39:00 AM »
You’re jumping ahead.  Concepts come before a working model.  FE proponents have proven that the globe model doesn’t work either (neither physically or scripturally).  

If you argue for the globe model given to us by atheists, then you deny Scripture because the modern globe model ignores the firmament, which is quasi-heresy.  So the result is that NEITHER the globe or FE view has a working model.  We’re left to discuss concepts and experiments. 
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Offline Quo vadis Domine

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Re: FLAT EARTH Myth Debunked & Put To Bed
« Reply #18 on: December 07, 2025, 08:03:50 AM »
Quote from: Pax Vobis on December 07, 2025, 07:39:00 AM
You’re jumping ahead.  Concepts come before a working model.  FE proponents have proven that the globe model doesn’t work either (neither physically or scripturally). 

If you argue for the globe model given to us by atheists, then you deny Scripture because the modern globe model ignores the firmament, which is quasi-heresy.  So the result is that NEITHER the globe or FE view has a working model.  We’re left to discuss concepts and experiments.

Do you have circuмspection? Do you realize how ignorant you sound? So, all of those saints and popes in the past that believed in a GE were ignoring the firmament and were quasi heretical? Do you think those saints and popes ignored the firmament? Please don’t try to suggest that the globe model of old was significantly different regarding celestial body movements and measurements of land masses than the modern one. You nut cases are trying to raise this idiocy to the level of dogma and that is what I find mostly repugnant about this FE stupidity! Why can’t you just leave it as “my opinion”? And yes, I do believe in a firmament and I’ve given my suggestions of how it could work in the global model in past posts.
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Offline Freind

Re: FLAT EARTH Myth Debunked & Put To Bed
« Reply #19 on: December 07, 2025, 09:02:34 AM »
Some may have noticed that more R&R believe in FE than among sedevacantists, and may claim that this is an indication that R&R is the correct position.

However, when you look at the FULL picture, that is, when you look towards the Indult, Novus Ordo, Protestant (in that order), you find more and more of them believing in FE as it goes towards Protestantism!


Get the picture?
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