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Flat Earth in C.S. Lewis's DISCARDED IMAGE
« on: October 31, 2018, 04:37:58 PM »
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  • THE DISCARDED IMAGE  by C. S. Lewis
     
    Physically considered, the Earth is a globe; all the authors of the high Middle Ages are agreed on this. In the earlier 'Dark' Ages, as indeed in the nineteenth century, we can find Flat-earthers. Lecky, whose purpose demanded some denigration of the past, has gleefully dug out of the sixth century Cosmas Indicopleustes who believed the Earth to be a flat parallelogram. But on Lecky's own showing Cosmas wrote partly to refute, in the supposed interests of religion, a prevalent, contrary view which believed in the Antipodes. Isidore gives Earth the shape of a wheel (xrv, ii, I). And Snorre Sturlason thinks of it as the 'world-disc' or heimskringla-the first word, and hence the title, of his great saga. But Snorre writes from within the Norse enclave which was almost a separate culture, rich in native genius but half cut off from the Mediterranean legacy which the rest of Europe enjoyed.
         The implications of a spherical Earth were fully grasped. What we call gravitation - for the medievals 'kindly enclyning' - was a matter of common knowledge. Vincent of Beauvais expounds it by asking what would happen if there were a hole bored through the globe of Earth so that there was a free passage from the one sky to the other, and someone dropped a stone down it. He answers that it would come to rest at the centre. Temperature and momentum, I understand, would lead to a different result in fact, but Vincent is clearly right in principle. Mandeville in his Voiage and Travaile teaches the same truth more ingenuously: 'from what part of the earth that men dwell, either above or beneath, it seemeth always to them that dwell that they go more right than  any other folk. And right as it seemeth to us that they be under us, right so it seemeth to them that we be under them' (xx). The most vivid presentation is by Dante, in a passage which shows that intense realising power which in the medieval imagination oddly co-exists with its feebleness in matters of scale. In IL Ferno, the two travellers find the shaggy and gigantic Lucifer at the absolute centre of the Earth, embedded up to his waist in ice. The only way they can continue their journey is by climbing down his sides - there is plenty of hair to hold on by - and squeezing through the hole in the ice and so coming to his feet. But they find that though it is down to his waist, it is up to his feet. As Virgil tells Dante, they have passed the point towards which all heavy objects move. It is the first 'science-fiction effect' in literature.
         The erroneous notion that the medievals were Flat­earthers was common enough till recently. It might have two sources. One is that medieval maps, such as the great thirteenth-century mappemounde in Hereford cathedral, represent the Earth as a circle, which is what men would do if they believed it to be a disc. But what would men do if, knowing it was a globe and wishing to represent it in two dimensions, they had not yet mastered the late and difficult art of projection? Fortunately we need not answer this question. There is no reason to suppose that the mappemounde represents the whole surface of the Earth. The theory of the Four Zonesr taught that the equatorial region was too hot for life. The other hemisphere of the Earth was to us wholly inaccessible. You could write science-fiction about it, but not geography. There could be no question of including it in a map. The mappemounde depicts the hemisphere we live in.
         The second reason for the error might be that we find in medieval literature references to the world's end. Often these are as vague as similar references in our owntime. But they may be more precise, as when,in a geographical passage, Gower says
     
    Fro that into the worldes ende
    Estward, Asie it is.   (pp, 141-142)




    Offline Neil Obstat

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    Re: Flat Earth in C.S. Lewis's DISCARDED IMAGE
    « Reply #1 on: November 02, 2018, 11:33:11 AM »
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         The second reason for the error might be that we find in medieval literature references to the world's end [worldes ende, actually]. Often these are as vague as similar references in our own time. But they may be more precise, as when, in a geographical passage, Gower says

    Fro that into the worldes ende
    Estward, Asie it is.   (pp, 141-142)
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    For that to be "more precise," the translation of "Fro," and "Estward, Asie it is" would be required.
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    « Reply #2 on: November 02, 2018, 12:07:44 PM »
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  • You and Jaynek sure spend a lot of time trying to convince people that Catholics never believed the earth is flat. 

    I don't think it's working. 

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    « Reply #3 on: November 02, 2018, 12:59:16 PM »
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  • You and Jaynek sure spend a lot of time trying to convince people that Catholics never believed the earth is flat.

    I don't think it's working.
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    You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him believe the truth, and the truth is, the earth is a globe.
    Get used to it, because denial of the truth is wasting your time. You'll be accountable for denying the truth. 
    Think about that for a minute or two. It won't be time wasted!!  ;D
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    « Reply #4 on: November 02, 2018, 07:16:00 PM »
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    You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him believe the truth, and the truth is, the earth is a globe.
    Get used to it, because denial of the truth is wasting your time. You'll be accountable for denying the truth.
    Think about that for a minute or two. It won't be time wasted!!  ;D
    You need to reread the Book of Genesis. 


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    « Reply #5 on: November 10, 2018, 10:55:28 PM »
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  • You need to reread the Book of Genesis.
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    In case you might like to find out, embrace the truth that the earth is a globe, and then read Genesis, again, then you might begin to understand.
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    I can wait........
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    Re: Flat Earth in C.S. Lewis's DISCARDED IMAGE
    « Reply #6 on: November 10, 2018, 11:19:35 PM »
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    The second reason for the error might be that we find in medieval literature references to the world's end.
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    Don't need to go back that far -- we can find references to the world's end right now..............
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    Lands End Trail, San Francisco
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    Eagle's Point, Lands End Trail, San Francisco, Golden Gate
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