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  • True.

    You are far more patient in debating with Neil than I am!  :)
    Heh...I've actually had to reel it in.  :cussing: 

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  • Heh...I've actually had to reel it in.  :cussing:

    Well, you're doing fine. The globe earthers just make me mad now. 

    This is a great thread, since it's explaining some of the basics of how the flat earth works, and how the NASA, Copernican, and Galileo models are wrong, for those that may be lurking and trying to learn about it. 


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  • Read sir.  I answered the question. 
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    No, you didn't answer the question. 
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     I told you what MY mentors think, 
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    Proof you didn't answer the question: I did not ask you to tell me what your mentors think.
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    I asked you to step outside and take a look at the full moon at midnight. 
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    You did not look at the moon, did you. No, because flat-earthers refuse to look with their own eyes and think with their own mind.
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    Like I said, flat earthers cannot think, and you have proved my point.
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    You rely on others to do your thinking for you.

    You cannot think on your own.
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  • The globe earthers just make me mad now.
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    Flat-earthism is all about emotion. There is no reason, observation, thinking or logic involved. 
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    It's all about how you FEEL.
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    Flat-earthism is feminism.
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    Flat-earthism is all about emotion. There is no reason, observation, thinking or logic involved.
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    It's all about how you FEEL.
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    Flat-earthism is feminism.
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    Well, I have the saints, scripture, the Church, science, math and reason, and you just lob bombs.  


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  • Enoch and Cosmas say the sun moves behind a portion of the earth.  I know the limits of my understanding and I admit I do not know where the sun goes at night.  But I would rather believe Enoch and Cosmas than NASA, Copernicus or Galileo who say the sun is 93,000,000 miles away.  How can the sun be nearly a trillion miles away and still be under the firmament of which scripture is so descriptive?
    Just something out of left field here....but the book of Enoch isn't considered scripture is it?

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  • Just something out of left field here....but the book of Enoch isn't considered scripture is it?

    Does a flat-head count? since there appears to be a plethora of them posting on this blog. 🤯 Just sayin'. No offence intended for those who may have a developmental disability or a corn cob wedged sideways.
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  • Just something out of left field here....but the book of Enoch isn't considered scripture is it?
    No, but there are references to it in scripture


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  • And you think this explains the supermoon?

    Blessed be the Lord my God, who teacheth my hands to fight, and my fingers to war. ~ Psalms 143:1 (Douay-Rheims)

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  • No, but there are references to it in scripture
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    You mean the references from Scripture found in the Book of Eunuch?
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  • Well, you're doing fine. The globe earthers just make me mad now.

    This is a great thread, since it's explaining some of the basics of how the flat earth works, and how the NASA, Copernican, and Galileo models are wrong, for those that may be lurking and trying to learn about it.
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    Really? Where does it explain why the moon and sun don't smash into each other during a solar eclipse?
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    Where does it explain why the quarter moon always faces a sun that's at an enormous distance from earth and moon?
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    Where does it explain how the full moon each month faces the sun during its normal cycle shining from under our feet?
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    Where does it explain why a level line of sight from a high mountaintop is far above all other land features in sight?
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    Where does it explain how a navigator proceeding due west over the equator never has to turn rudder starboard?
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    Where does it explain why a ship sailing due west from Santiago has to constantly correct by turning rudder port?
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    Where does it explain why a ship sailing due west from Portland has to constantly correct by turning rudder starboard?
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    So many questions, such a great dearth of answers.
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    Your getting mad makes perfect sense seeing as how you can't answer the questions.
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    I'd get mad, too, IF I really, really wanted to defend the indefensible.  Big "IF."
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    Offline Neil Obstat

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  • LOL :laugh1: oh Mr Neil..
    Your response to a 360 degree photo of hundreds of miles of continuous flat land is that ‘flat earthers can’t think’? ‘the earth is round it’s as plain as the nose on their face’..right?
    It’s OK, keep going on with your insults against people’s intelligence simply because they accept TRUTH and COMMON SENSE as it is presented to them and everyone will know you have no argument whatsoever. Really this has been your theme for awhile and it’s tired, put it to rest already, and please go study more. Those of us who have put the time in to undo our indoctrination ‘do think’.
    My whole life NASA lied to me and everyone else, so should I let them continue to vomit lies and not expose them and their false religion of science? Certainly not!
    A father is not a loving father no matter how wonderful he is with the children if he’s cheating on the mother with another woman!
    Would anyone learn love, loyalty and respect from that willfully dishonest man? Um, no.
    I know I won’t be learning my Earth Science from NASA or any other Darwinian globalists. I’ve already started over, and with the simplicity of Scripture. Enoch and Cosmas explain God’s creation much different than modern science and it flows in a very natural way, and fitting together with Scripture perfectly. It actually makes sense.

    Oh and by the way, the sun and moon can do whatever they were designed to do, but they have ZERO to do with the fact that there is NO CURVATURE to account for Mankind living and walking around on a sphere.
    Jesus Acsended into Heaven straight up, not sideways.
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    The post wasn't worth a reply because of its redundancy. All this has already been settled. 
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    You were responding to Carissima, but she did express some great points.  
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    No, Carissima made no great points. Your saying she did needs to be addressed.
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    Carissima's quote:
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    Your response to a 360 degree photo of hundreds of miles of continuous flat land is that ‘flat earthers can’t think’? ‘the earth is round it’s as plain as the nose on their face’..right?
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    Wrong.
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    The appearance of the horizon does not prove the earth is "flat." Any very large sphere viewed that way will have a "flat" appearance. The problem with these kinds of photos is, they do not provide any reference to where a level line of sight appears in regards to the horizon line. From a low promontory the horizon line can be very close to the level line such that they may appear to be indistinguishable, but if your scope is powerful and your level line accurate, you will see the level line is always above the horizon even if it's a small amount. 
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    A favorite flat-earther canard here is "The horizon rises to the level of the viewer." -- That's FALSE. The horizon does not "rise" anywhere. It stays right where it is. It is the VIEWER whose LINE OF SIGHT DESCENDS to the lower position of the horizon, and the viewer, not using a level instrument to keep the level line a KNOWN LOCATION is failing -- or fooling himself to THINK that the horizon is "rising" when in fact it remains where it is, and the viewer is casting his eye DOWN to meet it.
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    Likewise, no such observation can be made from an airborne vantage point like a weather balloon or while free-falling like sky divers do, because the instrument cannot keep a steady sight on what level is when the wind is buffeting everything in contact with it. An honest observer needs to have solid ground upon which to set up his instrument.
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    Therefore, the inquiring researcher who actually wants to know the truth will prefer to select a very high point of land from which to make observations. That's the reason for using the top of a high mountain, and if possible, the highest mountain within 200 miles. From such a vantage point, the honest observer will always find that his level line is most clearly ABOVE all other land objects, including but not limited to the tops of other high mountains within sight.
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    It’s OK, keep going on with your insults against people’s intelligence simply because they accept TRUTH and COMMON SENSE as it is presented to them and everyone will know you have no argument whatsoever. Really this has been your theme for awhile and it’s tired, put it to rest already, and please go study more. Those of us who have put the time in to undo our indoctrination ‘do think’. 
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    What "insults" are you referring to? I have asked these questions numerous times and the only answers I get are "insults" like the ones (apparently) that you're accusing ME of, but they're coming from flat-earthers. I ask specific questions, and the flat-earthers insult me, while they accuse me of insulting them. How Jewish of you -- but then, it's Chanukah time again!
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    If questions you cannot answer constitute "insults against people's intelligence" then you need to learn what it means to discuss or debate an issue. Because by your not answering the questions and instead your accusing me of insults, you're proving that you cannot think. That is what logic is for, to show the participant is capable of thinking. But you fail.
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    My whole life NASA lied to me and everyone else, so should I let them continue to vomit lies and not expose them and their false religion of science? Certainly not!
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    Whether NASA lies or not (I'm not saying they don't lie) has nothing to do with the questions I have been asking. You're jumping topic like a Protestant.  I'm not saying to rely on NASA for answers. I'm saying these are things you can do YOURSELF to find the TRUTH, which truth is the reality that you observe with your own eyes when you follow the steps I have provided, which are very simple steps. But flat-earthers do not dare follow the steps I have provided. This fact alone is very conspicuous. Flat-earthers, like Protestants, keep trying to change the topic by veering off to another topic. It makes them appear (like Protestants) to be able to recognize where the steps will be taking them, and upon realizing the fact of where they lead and not wanting to face the truth, they veer off course and go down into other areas where they can stay far away from the necessary conclusion -- the truth.
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    A father is not a loving father no matter how wonderful he is with the children if he’s cheating on the mother with another woman! Would anyone learn love, loyalty and respect from that willfully dishonest man? Um, no.
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    Like I said, flat-earthers love to change the topic.  This has nothing to do with fidelity in marriage. This is simply observation and logical thinking. I know that's really hard for some, especially women. But it's your choice to enter this discussion.
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    I know I won’t be learning my Earth Science from NASA or any other Darwinian globalists. I’ve already started over, and with the simplicity of Scripture. Enoch and Cosmas explain God’s creation much different than modern science and it flows in a very natural way, and fitting together with Scripture perfectly. It actually makes sense. 
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    Where did I say you have to believe NASA? I know there have been other posters who accuse me of that, but it's a lie. I have never said anyone should believe anything NASA ever provided. And I never will.
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    You can learn your OWN earth science by making your OWN observations. You might not be able to travel worldwide to see things first hand but there are a lot of sources OTHER THAN NASA to give you data you can trust, for example look at photographs of areas near where you live and see if they have been "faked" -- if not, then the photographer who provided them very likely has also provided reliable photos of places not near where you live. And so on.
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    If you want to read Scripture, that's fine, but if you want to know things that Scripture is not capable of providing, it's foolish to look there for your answers. To find out the specific gravity of potassium, for example, looking in Scripture would be foolish, in fact, attempting to measure it on your own would likely also be foolish, since potassium explodes upon contact with water, and specific gravity is the measurement of a material's weight when submerged in water. So don't even go there.
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    Or if you want to know a particular person's phone number and address, don't bother looking in the Bible. You can use social media, or ask a friend, or look in the phone book (we used to have phone books, you know).
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    Likewise, to find out what the full moon looks like at midnight, just step outside on a clear night and open your eyes looking upwards. Too much to ask? I have yet to see any flat-earther reply here saying they have looked at the full moon at midnight. Maybe they're afraid of practicing witchcraft or whatever. I don't know, they haven't given any coherent answer. Do you have an intelligent answer to that question? Have you ever seen the full moon at midnight in a clear sky? We just had several nights last week when that happened, in fact it was a great and rare event to see the supermoon at midnight. Did you miss it? I gave plenty of advance notice. But no intelligent reply was forthcoming. 
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    Who's intelligence is being insulted therefore?
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    Oh and by the way, the sun and moon can do whatever they were designed to do, but they have ZERO to do with the fact that there is NO CURVATURE to account for Mankind living and walking around on a sphere. 

    Jesus Acsended into Heaven straight up, not sideways. 
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    What the sun and moon do has A LOT to do with whether there is curvature on the earth. We observe what the sun and moon do from the vantage point of the earth's surface, CONSEQUENTLY (that means directly related to) how the sun and moon appear at the SAME TIME from any of numerous different places on the earth's surface CAN tell us A LOT about how far away they are, what their geometric positioning is (using Euclidean geometry, nothing difficult or obscure), what their angular velocity is, what their relative SIZE is (measured by degrees of arc), and what their astronomical coordinates are. Using this data we can use logic and reason to construct an appropriate model of the earth's surface that conforms to the data. Have you ever noticed that flat-earthers never invoke astronomical coordinates? Why do you suppose that is? Anyone can pinpoint where precisely to look in the sky to find a particular star at a certain time using them, but flat-earthers ignore the topic like it's kryptonite to Superman.
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    Have you ever wondered why?
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    Or, which I expect is the reason, you wouldn't dare question your flat-earth mentors because to you, they're beyond that.
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    The post wasn't worth a reply because of its redundancy. All this has already been settled.
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    No, Carissima made no great points. Your saying she did needs to be addressed.
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    Carissima's quote:.
    Wrong.
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    The appearance of the horizon does not prove the earth is "flat." Any very large sphere viewed that way will have a "flat" appearance. The problem with these kinds of photos is, they do not provide any reference to where a level line of sight appears in regards to the horizon line. From a low promontory the horizon line can be very close to the level line such that they may appear to be indistinguishable, but if your scope is powerful and your level line accurate, you will see the level line is always above the horizon even if it's a small amount.
    .
    A favorite flat-earther canard here is "The horizon rises to the level of the viewer." -- That's FALSE. The horizon does not "rise" anywhere. It stays right where it is. It is the VIEWER whose LINE OF SIGHT DESCENDS to the lower position of the horizon, and the viewer, not using a level instrument to keep the level line a KNOWN LOCATION is failing -- or fooling himself to THINK that the horizon is "rising" when in fact it remains where it is, and the viewer is casting his eye DOWN to meet it.
    .
    Likewise, no such observation can be made from an airborne vantage point like a weather balloon or while free-falling like sky divers do, because the instrument cannot keep a steady sight on what level is when the wind is buffeting everything in contact with it. An honest observer needs to have solid ground upon which to set up his instrument.
    .
    Therefore, the inquiring researcher who actually wants to know the truth will prefer to select a very high point of land from which to make observations. That's the reason for using the top of a high mountain, and if possible, the highest mountain within 200 miles. From such a vantage point, the honest observer will always find that his level line is most clearly ABOVE all other land objects, including but not limited to the tops of other high mountains within sight.
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    What "insults" are you referring to? I have asked these questions numerous times and the only answers I get are "insults" like the ones (apparently) that you're accusing ME of, but they're coming from flat-earthers. I ask specific questions, and the flat-earthers insult me, while they accuse me of insulting them. How Jewish of you -- but then, it's Chanukah time again!
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    If questions you cannot answer constitute "insults against people's intelligence" then you need to learn what it means to discuss or debate an issue. Because by your not answering the questions and instead your accusing me of insults, you're proving that you cannot think. That is what logic is for, to show the participant is capable of thinking. But you fail.
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    Whether NASA lies or not (I'm not saying they don't lie) has nothing to do with the questions I have been asking. You're jumping topic like a Protestant.  I'm not saying to rely on NASA for answers. I'm saying these are things you can do YOURSELF to find the TRUTH, which truth is the reality that you observe with your own eyes when you follow the steps I have provided, which are very simple steps. But flat-earthers do not dare follow the steps I have provided. This fact alone is very conspicuous. Flat-earthers, like Protestants, keep trying to change the topic by veering off to another topic. It makes them appear (like Protestants) to be able to recognize where the steps will be taking them, and upon realizing the fact of where they lead and not wanting to face the truth, they veer off course and go down into other areas where they can stay far away from the necessary conclusion -- the truth.
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    Like I said, flat-earthers love to change the topic.  This has nothing to do with fidelity in marriage. This is simply observation and logical thinking. I know that's really hard for some, especially women. But it's your choice to enter this discussion.
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    Where did I say you have to believe NASA? I know there have been other posters who accuse me of that, but it's a lie. I have never said anyone should believe anything NASA ever provided. And I never will.
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    You can learn your OWN earth science by making your OWN observations. You might not be able to travel worldwide to see things first hand but there are a lot of sources OTHER THAN NASA to give you data you can trust, for example look at photographs of areas near where you live and see if they have been "faked" -- if not, then the photographer who provided them very likely has also provided reliable photos of places not near where you live. And so on.
    .
    If you want to read Scripture, that's fine, but if you want to know things that Scripture is not capable of providing, it's foolish to look there for your answers. To find out the specific gravity of potassium, for example, looking in Scripture would be foolish, in fact, attempting to measure it on your own would likely also be foolish, since potassium explodes upon contact with water, and specific gravity is the measurement of a material's weight when submerged in water. So don't even go there.
    .
    Or if you want to know a particular person's phone number and address, don't bother looking in the Bible. You can use social media, or ask a friend, or look in the phone book (we used to have phone books, you know).
    .
    Likewise, to find out what the full moon looks like at midnight, just step outside on a clear night and open your eyes looking upwards. Too much to ask? I have yet to see any flat-earther reply here saying they have looked at the full moon at midnight. Maybe they're afraid of practicing witchcraft or whatever. I don't know, they haven't given any coherent answer. Do you have an intelligent answer to that question? Have you ever seen the full moon at midnight in a clear sky? We just had several nights last week when that happened, in fact it was a great and rare event to see the supermoon at midnight. Did you miss it? I gave plenty of advance notice. But no intelligent reply was forthcoming.
    .
    Who's intelligence is being insulted therefore?
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    What the sun and moon do has A LOT to do with whether there is curvature on the earth. We observe what the sun and moon do from the vantage point of the earth's surface, CONSEQUENTLY (that means directly related to) how the sun and moon appear at the SAME TIME from any of numerous different places on the earth's surface CAN tell us A LOT about how far away they are, what their geometric positioning is (using Euclidean geometry, nothing difficult or obscure), what their angular velocity is, what their relative SIZE is (measured by degrees of arc), and what their astronomical coordinates are. Using this data we can use logic and reason to construct an appropriate model of the earth's surface that conforms to the data. Have you ever noticed that flat-earthers never invoke astronomical coordinates? Why do you suppose that is? Anyone can pinpoint where precisely to look in the sky to find a particular star at a certain time using them, but flat-earthers ignore the topic like it's kryptonite to Superman.
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    Have you ever wondered why?
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    Or, which I expect is the reason, you wouldn't dare question your flat-earth mentors because to you, they're beyond that.
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    The horizon always appears perfectly flat 360 degrees around the observer regardless of altitude. All amateur balloon, rocket, plane and drone footage show a completely flat horizon over 20+ miles high. Only NASA and other government "space agencies" show curvature in their fake CGI photos/videos.
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