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Offline Neil Obstat

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Re: FLAT EARTH DEBATE CALL
« Reply #15 on: September 12, 2018, 03:08:06 AM »
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  • Globe earthers can't even use modern science to back their claims because modern science is out there denying their entire premise with hidden in plain site facts.  

    Through government declassified docuмents, publications, books, and manuals - we find the truth -- if we know where to look.
    Official NASA site, admitting they cant leave "low earth orbit".
    >>> https://www.nasa.gov/…/van-allen-probes-spot-impenetrable-b…

    Docuмents on the CIA website mention the firmament starting on page 19 in a series of tests on the atmosphere.
    Page 20 says "...only the assumption of a flat Earth"
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    https://www.cia.gov/…/do…/CIA-RDP86-00513R001343720008-3.pdf

    NASA and The Ames-Dryden Flight Research tells us again in the concluding remarks. The Earth is flat and nonrotating.
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    www.nasa.gov/centers/dryden/pdf/88104main_H-1391.pdf

    In 1986 The US Air Force repeated the Michelson-Morley experiment, published in the Nature Journal Volume 322.
    reproved the motionless earth.
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    http://palgrave.nature.com/…/jo…/v322/n6080/pdf/322590b0.pdf

    The Federal Aviation Administration denotes, in their Aircraft Dynamics model, that the earth is flat 5 separate times.. as well as referring to geocentricity 3 times.
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    https://www.faa.gov/…/l…/tgf/media/AircraftDynamicsModel.pdf

    The United States Coast Guard's geographic range table lists distances as visible that should be behind the curve of the earth. Such visible distances could only be possible on a flat earth.
    >>> https://www.navcen.uscg.gov/p…/lightLists/LightList%20V6.pdf

    The U.S. Army Research Laboratory's "Propagation of Electromagnetic Fields Over Flat Earth"
    >>> http://www.arl.army.mil/arlreports/2001/ARL-TR-2352.pdf

    • (http://www.arl.army.mil/arlreports/2009/ARL-TR-4998.pdf) page 1: Trajectory of Spinning Projectiles: “These equations assume a flat Earth.” •(http://www.arl.army.mil/arlreports/2010/ARL-TR-5118.pdf) page 2: “These equations assume a flat Earth..” •(http://www.arl.army.mil/arlreports/2011/ARL-TR-5810.pdf) page 216: "assuming a flat Earth"
    •(http://tycho.usno.navy.mil/ptti/2007papers/paper21.pdf) Page 1: “...so that a flat-earth approximation provides the best estimate.”
    •(http://www.arl.army.mil/arlreports/2001/ARL-TN-175.pdf) Page 39: "model works over a flat earth"
    •(http://www.arl.army.mil/arlreports/2003/ARL-TR-2696.pdf) page 1: transmission loss over flat earth
    •(http://www.arl.army.mil/arlreports/2000/ARL-TR-2156.pdf) page 9: “...input to a flat earth”
    •(http://www.arl.army.mil/arlreports/2003/ARL-MR-563.pdf) page 3: “The first is the Earth-fixed coordinate system, which is fixed to the Earth with a flat Earth assumption.”
    •(http://www.arl.army.mil/arlreports/2010/ARL-CR-650.pdf) page: 1 "flat earth approximation provides the best estimate"
    •(http://www.arl.army.mil/arlreports/2002/ARL-TR-2683.pdf) page 32: "This model works well over a flat-earth"
    •(http://www.arl.army.mil/arlreports/2000/ARL-TR-1812.pdf) page 168: "equations of flat-earth trigonometry." (http://www.irig106.org/…/106…/106-17_Telemetry_Standards.pdf) page 8: "The Earth is flat and nonrotating." •(http://www.navair.navy.mil/…/comm…/Inplace.aspx/LoadFile/531) General Equations of Motion for Damaged Asymmetric Aircraft, Page 1: “...equations of motions must properly reflect the underlying physics.” page 2: "In this paper, the rigid body equations of motion over a flat non-rotating earth are developed...”
    •(https://ntrs.nasa.gov/…/…/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/20070030307.pdf) Approximate Optimal Guidance for the Advanced Launch System, On page one this docuмent does mention a spherical rotating earth but then states that “...these schemes” [based on a spherical rotating earth] 1) “...are difficult to prove” and 2) “...not suggested to be used as a basis for an online real-time guidance law.” Page 32 goes on to say: "Lastly, the equations of motion for the zeroth-order problem of flight in a vacuum over a flat Earth are presented."

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    In the spam post above (which happenby did not write but rather copied from another site and pasted it here -- in 3 threads, no less) the mundane canard of flat-earthdom syndromers is repeated again, which claims that there are times when scientists, engineers, astronomers, meteorologists, surveyors and others sometimes presume a flat earth in their calculations; but flat-earthers can't seem to understand why this is done.
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    Flat-earthdom syndromers erroneously leap to the false conclusion that therefore the earth is "flat" and we're being lied to, etc.
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    The fact is, scientists, engineers and even governmental agencies often use simplified models of physics (e.g., in rigid body aerodynamics simulations) which assume a flat, stationary earth, because the results are close enough that having a simplified model is a worthwhile trade. These models are not used for navigation or location or anything that requires the actual shape and/or relative movement of the Earth to be considered.
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    What's funny is, that the only useful application of FE theory I can think of is in making simplified models that reduce computational complexity in exchange for introducing measurable error when compared with real observation.
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    "Flat" earth principles are only useful when you need a dumbed-down physics model for back-of-the-napkin math.

    that bears repeating.....................
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    "Flat" earth principles are only useful when you need 
    a dumbed-down physics model for back-of-the-napkin math.
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    Re: FLAT EARTH DEBATE CALL
    « Reply #16 on: September 15, 2018, 08:29:15 AM »
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    Speaking of experiments......
    There is a very simple experiment you can do with a glass of water and a bottle cap.
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    Using an ordinary clean drinking glass, pour in water up to about a half inch from the brim.
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    Place the bottle cap into the water, open side up, so that it floats on the circular water surface.
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    See if you can keep the bottle cap in the center of the water circle, without touching the glass or the cap.
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    After a minute or two at the most, the bottle cap moves slowly toward the edge of the circle, and bumps into the glass.
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    There it stays, unless you touch it with a fork or a spoon or a swizzle stick or whatever.
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    Try bumping it back to the center of the water, and then don't touch it anymore -- what happens?
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    The bottle cap gradually moves back to the edge where the glass is. 
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    But there is a way to make the bottle cap move to the center of the glass, without touching the glass or the cap.
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    Re: FLAT EARTH DEBATE CALL
    « Reply #17 on: September 22, 2018, 02:03:36 PM »
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    Speaking of experiments......
    There is a very simple experiment you can do with a glass of water and a bottle cap.
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    Using an ordinary clean drinking glass, pour in water up to about a half inch from the brim.
    .
    Place the bottle cap into the water, open side up, so that it floats on the circular water surface.
    .
    See if you can keep the bottle cap in the center of the water circle, without touching the glass or the cap.
    .
    After a minute or two at the most, the bottle cap moves slowly toward the edge of the circle, and bumps into the glass.
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    There it stays, unless you touch it with a fork or a spoon or a swizzle stick or whatever.
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    Try bumping it back to the center of the water, and then don't touch it anymore -- what happens?
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    The bottle cap gradually moves back to the edge where the glass is.
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    But there is a way to make the bottle cap move to the center of the glass, without touching the glass or the cap.
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    This experiment requires nothing out of the ordinary, and anyone can do it, even a child.
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    But flat-earthdom syndromers want NO PART of the real world!
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    They're quite happy to remain in their ignorance so as to go on blindly believing in their fantasy world.
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    That's because they worship the false god of flat-earthdom.
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    You can prove this is not the case by performing this experiment.
    When you continue to refuse to put any of your fantasy maxims to the test, you show your fantasy world is your false god.
    Because what you worship you would never test, that would be against your "faith" (false faith, that is).
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    Putting your  faith  in falsehood is a sin against faith, which is the greatest of all sins. 
    Therefore it is blasphemy or worse. (See other thread)
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    Re: FLAT EARTH DEBATE CALL
    « Reply #18 on: September 22, 2018, 02:18:03 PM »
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    Flat-earthers can't use modern science to back their claims because modern science is out there denying their entire premise with facts in plain sight, but flat-earthers think they're "hidden." That's because flat-earthers don't want to look!
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    Facts in plain sight:
    -- The sun rises due east and sets due west twice a year, on the 2 equinoxes.
    -- The east sunrise and west sunset on the equinoxes can be seen from anywhere on the globe, twice each year.
    -- The Tropic of Cancer is the same length as the Tropic of Capricorn, impossible on a "flat" earth, but obvious on the globe.
    -- Southern constellations appear at different Right Ascension at the same time from different longitudes all over the globe.
    ---- Just as northern constellations appear at different Right Ascension at the same time from all over the globe.
    ---- The appearance of southern constellations in the same manner as northern shows the earth has the same shape north and south.
    ---- This shape is only explained by a spheroid, and cannot be explained as being "flat."
    -- The sun and moon form a right triangle twice a month on the quarter moon phases.
    ---- Since the angle between sun and moon is greater than 89 degrees, the sun must be at least 50 times further away from earth.
    ---- In fact, the sun is 390 times further away, which can be verified with sophisticated measuring devices.
    -- There is nothing about flat-earthdom that can explain the operation of a Foucault pendulum while a spheroid earth can.
    -- The movement of the sun, moon and stars every day and night proclaim for those with eyes to see, "Earth Is A Globe!"
    -- Using a theodolite from an altitude of 2,000 ft shows that a level line of sight is always above sea level.
    -- The higher up you go the more the drop is, such that at 15,000 ft there is a 15,000 or more ft drop, all over the globe!
    -- If the earth were "flat" a level line would always go directly to the horizon line, not above it, but it'a always far above it.
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    Speaking of equinox, that is happening right now!
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    https://www.almanac.com/content/first-day-fall-autumnal-equinox
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    Today, Saturday Sept. 22nd, 2018, is the autumnal equinox.
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    Wherever you go today you can see the sun set in the west, precisely due west, impossible on a "flat" earth.
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    Whether you are in northern Canada or in Tierra del Fuego, you see the same thing, sun due west at sunset.
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    In Australia or Siberia, whether in Johannesberg SA, or Greenland, same thing, sun sets due west.
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    Impossible on a "flat" earth.
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    No problem on a globe.
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    Case closed. Again. As usual.
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    Re: FLAT EARTH DEBATE CALL
    « Reply #19 on: September 22, 2018, 02:32:26 PM »
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    FIRST DAY OF FALL
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    Submitted by Sandi on September 21, 2018 - 5:54pm

    Your article says that the first day of fall is 9/22/2018, all of my calendars say that the first day of fall is on Sunday 9/23/2018, now which is right?

    FALL
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    Submitted by Mark on September 22, 2018 - 7:38am

    Both are correct. Fall begins the evening of the 22nd and the first full day of fall is the 23rd.
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    IOW Saturday is the partial first day of fall, and Sunday is the first full day of fall.
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