You speak with a general categorical disdain for men in general, and for Trad men in particular.  That's simply obvious in your language and in your tone.

I must confess that I have become somewhat used to Ladislaus insulting women, and that probably isn't a good thing. But he can be an equal-opportunity insulter, I assure you. It's just that as of late, he's mainly insulting women.

Unfortunately, this type of behavior is common to trads, both women and men. I resort to it also, at times, which isn't good. Not sure what the remedy is, except for taking breaks from the forum.

Come on, Meg.    You're just as bad as I am ... if not worse.  And you won't call out some of your flat-earth buddies who have attacked Jaynek much more harshly than I have ever attacked any woman here ... because they're on your "team".  Typical female behaviour to play victim when it suits their purposes and look the other way when it doesn't.  It's very much like the Democratic liberal women who call out Republicans who commit crimes against women but then justify it when the Democrats do worse.  It's completely fake, disingenuous, and self-serving.  So sue me for having zero tolerance for this kind of dishonest bovine excrement.
People have particular disdain for me because I can quickly sniff out and destroy bad arguments.

Jayne can take care of herself. She's one of the harshest forum members here. Just because she insults traditional Catholics in a high-falutin' intellectual manner which makes her seem all authoritative doesn't mean that she isn't harsh. She just tries to disguise it.

You misunderstand me, Meg.  I am not insulting anybody.  I just normally have a high-falutin' intellectual manner.  



When I'm being harsh, I'm more like this:

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It's common knowledge that ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs, transɛҳuąƖs and Sodomites obsess on weird things, and since flat-earthism is really weird...
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So it's not so hard to understand why flat-earthers would get so upset over this thread's title and log hundreds of views to fight it.
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You know you've touched a nerve when their contrary posts erupt uncontrollably.
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Like devils crying out during exorcism!!
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I've been coming across various articles about the growth in belief in flat earth.  It sounds like, among traditional Catholic geocentrists, the majority used to believe in a spherical earth, as Catholics at the time of Galileo did. (Fr. Pfeiffer is an example.) But I've seen claims that flat earth is now the majority view for Catholic geocentrists.

Belief in flat earth also appears to be growing among fundamentalist Christians, not surprising for sola Scriptura heretics.  More surprising is that this is also seems to be a trend among seculars and recently celebrities have been "coming out" as flat-earthers.

I've been wondering about causes of the secular trend.  One possibility is a disillusionment with science.  Another idea I've considered is that Western culture has become completely detached from objective reality.  The rise of flat-earthism corresponds to the public acceptance of transgenderism - the idea that people choose their "gender".  ("Gender" is originally a grammar term, something that is arbitrarily assigned to words, varying from language to language.   Its use to replace the objective biological term "sex" was part of the assault on reality.)


If a man can choose to identify as a woman or a woman can choose to identify as a man, why not decide that the earth is flat just because one feels like it?  I think that seculars, lacking God and Christian principles, would be especially susceptible to flat-earthism.  It would be interesting to see some statistics.  I wonder if the trend is more prevalent among seculars than Catholics.  Now that I think about it, it would not be so surprising after all.

This has nothing to do with feelings;  my feelings were strongly opposed to Flat Earth.  Through reason I slowly came to believe in a Flat Earth, but that took a long, long time to feel good about.  Actually, still working on that.  

Bishop Williamson, as I'm sure you know, doesn't believe in a flat earth. But he has not said that we cannot believe in it or discuss it.

To me, the flat earth makes more sense than the globe earth. And, we traditional Catholics are used to believing in things which is goes against what the rest of the world thinks.

What is reality, Neil? You are a geocentist, and yet you support modern science which is not geocentrist. How does this reflect reality? At least flat earthers don't have to accept contradiction.

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According to +W you can get grace from the Novus Ordo, so is that just fine with you, too? 
Vatican II contains unforgivable sins against the Holy Ghost -- so is Vat.II Catholic? 
If Vat.II were to have said the earth is "flat" would that make it believable then?
Flat-earthers accept contradiction with every single measurement of the sun and moon visible daily in the sky.
That's why flat-earthers refuse to take any measurements or to carefully establish compass direction.
They say they don't need a model (false), compasses don't work (false), and there is no east or west (false).

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The flat-earth conspiracy has a very sinister aspect. 
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There are no doubt subversives working it to destroy the Church's credibility.
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