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Offline St Giles

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Re: Flat Earth -- Amazing Stuff!
« Reply #30 on: November 01, 2023, 01:07:44 PM »
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    Re: Flat Earth -- Amazing Stuff!
    « Reply #31 on: November 01, 2023, 03:06:33 PM »
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    • I wonder why in the XVI Century the Church never had an issue with Catholic Spain and Portugal, and all the navigation treatises that taught the earth being a sphere. Cristobal Colon thought the world had the shape of a pear (he had some drawings in this writings). PDF's of the original books can be found in the Universities of Murcia, Seville and other. A little bit off topic, the link below will take you to a page about celebrating the Mass during the journeys.

    https://blogcatedranaval.com/2020/

    You can use the automatic translator to read in English. Very interesting.
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    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: Flat Earth -- Amazing Stuff!
    « Reply #32 on: November 01, 2023, 07:29:58 PM »
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    • Quote from: MiserereMei on November 01, 2023, 03:06:33 PM
    I wonder why in the XVI Century the Church never had an issue with Catholic Spain and Portugal, and all the navigation treatises that taught the earth being a sphere.

    ... because the Church didn't consider it a serious enough problem at the time to address.  It wasn't until a little later that they addressed Galileo.
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    Re: Flat Earth -- Amazing Stuff!
    « Reply #33 on: November 01, 2023, 08:01:32 PM »
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    • The issue wirh Galileo was the earth being at the center of the universe, not the shape. The books I refer explain and  show drawings where the earth is the central sphere within several other spheres where the sun, the moon, etc. revolve around the earth.

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    Re: Flat Earth -- Amazing Stuff!
    « Reply #34 on: November 01, 2023, 09:43:51 PM »
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    • Quote from: MiserereMei on November 01, 2023, 08:01:32 PM
    The issue wirh Galileo was the earth being at the center of the universe, not the shape. The books I refer explain and  show drawings where the earth is the central sphere within several other spheres where the sun, the moon, etc. revolve around the earth.

    Church authorities condemned the moving earth because it didn't fit with Scripture. The thing people forget is that a globe-shaped earth also doesn't fit with Scripture, making it highly questionable to hold the theory.  Let's not forget the Church condemned the Pythagorean Doctrine/heliocentric theory and put it on the Index because it was heretical. The Church had this to say about the Pythagorean model: ‘it is false’, in the first place, ‘and entirely opposed to the divine Scripture, slithering perniciously into the Catholic truth’. Then, ‘It is repugnant to S. Scripture, and the true Catholic interpretation, [to be] minimally tolerated in a Christian man’, and finally, ‘totally prohibited ’.

    Imagine holding some small aspect of Protestantism even though it is entirely opposed to Scripture and totally prohibited by the Church. No good Catholic would dream of it.   


    The mathematical possibility of a stationary space globe earth is also highly questionable.

    If globe earth is center of the universe, and the radius (R) is the distance of 93 million miles, we can calculate the circuмference (C), the distance the sun would have to travel to go around earth.

    The equation is C = 2 x pi x R

    C = 2 x 3.14 x 93 million miles

    C = 584 million miles

    That means if the earth is a globe, the sun has to travel 584 million miles every single day.
    It also means the sun would be travelling 24,300,000 million miles per hour




           
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    Re: Flat Earth -- Amazing Stuff!
    « Reply #35 on: November 02, 2023, 05:17:32 AM »
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    • Quote from: MiserereMei on November 01, 2023, 08:01:32 PM
    The issue wirh Galileo was the earth being at the center of the universe, not the shape. The books I refer explain and  show drawings where the earth is the central sphere within several other spheres where the sun, the moon, etc. revolve around the earth.


    Thank you for using logic here.
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    Re: Flat Earth -- Amazing Stuff!
    « Reply #36 on: November 02, 2023, 05:20:24 AM »
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    • Quote from: Tradman on November 01, 2023, 09:43:51 PM

    Church authorities condemned the moving earth because it didn't fit with Scripture. The thing people forget is that a globe-shaped earth also doesn't fit with Scripture, making it highly questionable to hold the theory.  Let's not forget the Church condemned the Pythagorean Doctrine/heliocentric theory and put it on the Index because it was heretical. The Church had this to say about the Pythagorean model: ‘it is false’, in the first place, ‘and entirely opposed to the divine Scripture, slithering perniciously into the Catholic truth’. Then, ‘It is repugnant to S. Scripture, and the true Catholic interpretation, [to be] minimally tolerated in a Christian man’, and finally, ‘totally prohibited ’.

    Imagine holding some small aspect of Protestantism even though it is entirely opposed to Scripture and totally prohibited by the Church. No good Catholic would dream of it. 


    The mathematical possibility of a stationary space globe earth is also highly questionable.

    If globe earth is center of the universe, and the radius (R) is the distance of 93 million miles, we can calculate the circuмference (C), the distance the sun would have to travel to go around earth.

    The equation is C = 2 x pi x R

    C = 2 x 3.14 x 93 million miles

    C = 584 million miles

    That means if the earth is a globe, the sun has to travel 584 million miles every single day.
    It also means the sun would be travelling 24,300,000 million miles per hour




         

    God can make the Sun move as fast as he wants, for me that is not a problem. An alternative explanation could be that the Sun is actually not as far away nor as large as scientists want us to believe. ;)
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    Re: Flat Earth -- Amazing Stuff!
    « Reply #37 on: November 02, 2023, 06:22:48 AM »
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    • Quote from: MiserereMei on November 01, 2023, 08:01:32 PM
    The issue wirh Galileo was the earth being at the center of the universe, not the shape. The books I refer explain and  show drawings where the earth is the central sphere within several other spheres where the sun, the moon, etc. revolve around the earth.

    And other drawings do not depict the earth as a sphere.  Its central location in a circular system does not indicate that the central point is also a sphere.  That's a typical logical fallacy from the Globers.
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    Re: Flat Earth -- Amazing Stuff!
    « Reply #38 on: November 02, 2023, 06:23:22 AM »
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    • Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on November 02, 2023, 05:17:32 AM

    Thank you for using logic here.

    Those who agree with your confirmation bias you praise as using "logic".  Pathetic.
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    Re: Flat Earth -- Amazing Stuff!
    « Reply #39 on: November 02, 2023, 08:32:27 AM »
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    • Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on November 02, 2023, 05:20:24 AM
    God can make the Sun move as fast as he wants, for me that is not a problem. 

    Reductio ad absurdum
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    Re: Flat Earth -- Amazing Stuff!
    « Reply #40 on: November 02, 2023, 04:00:04 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on November 02, 2023, 06:22:48 AM
    And other drawings do not depict the earth as a sphere.  Its central location in a circular system does not indicate that the central point is also a sphere.  That's a typical logical fallacy from the Globers.
    I'm not trying to convince anyone. I'm just bringing up the fact that the Church didn't condemn the Spanish and Portuguese navigation text books that depicted the earth as sphere. In these books the first chapters discuss the shape of the earth which is the foundation for the following chapters describing longitud, latitud, the poles, the position of the stars, the winds, etc.
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    Re: Flat Earth -- Amazing Stuff!
    « Reply #41 on: November 02, 2023, 04:39:23 PM »
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    the Church didn't condemn the Spanish and Portuguese navigation text books that depicted the earth as sphere.
    The world IS a sphere, including the firmament, with flat land. 

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    Re: Flat Earth -- Amazing Stuff!
    « Reply #42 on: November 02, 2023, 06:23:57 PM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on November 02, 2023, 04:39:23 PM
    The world IS a sphere, including the firmament, with flat land.


    ::) Since a globe is actually a snow globe but with flat land and a sphere also has flat land, can one of you FEers please give a accurate name for this:




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    Re: Flat Earth -- Amazing Stuff!
    « Reply #43 on: November 02, 2023, 06:43:26 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on November 02, 2023, 06:23:22 AM
    Those who agree with your confirmation bias you praise as using "logic".  Pathetic.


    Ok Lad, let’s start with something simple and keep it to that instead of muddying the waters with your seemingly endless diatribes:
     
    In your FE world please give a simple, accurate, reasonable, and demonstrable explanation how moon phases and sunsets (also sunrises) work?

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    Re: Flat Earth -- Amazing Stuff!
    « Reply #44 on: November 02, 2023, 06:43:35 PM »
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    can one of you FEers please give a accurate name for this:
    Modern science's atheistic fantasy.
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