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Looking for Best Resources Proving Flat Earth
« on: July 20, 2022, 08:06:15 AM »
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  • So... I just watched this video: ...

    I can't believe I'm going to be convinced of the flat earth, but me thinks the evidence in the video is impossible to disprove.

    I'll be researching flat Earth now, so if anyone has favourite flat Earth video proofs, articles, etc. please send me the best you have.

    Thanks.



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    Re: Looking for Best Resources Proving Flat Earth
    « Reply #1 on: July 20, 2022, 08:11:57 AM »
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  • It's kind of scary when one first begins to realize that we've been lied to all this time, about the shape of the earth. Certain family members were quite upset when I told them I believe the earth is flat. But it's difficult to deny reality. 
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29


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    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: Looking for Best Resources Proving Flat Earth
    « Reply #3 on: July 20, 2022, 08:53:23 AM »
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  • Yafer has a lot of good videos too

    https://tv.gab.com/channel/yafer

    The biggest hurdle is to get over the presuppositions invented by modern science that their "facts" rely on. Data needs to be interpreted by a philosophy, and it is by and large interpreted through a materialist lens. Further, a lot of their findings are made these days purely through mathematical theory rather than empirical evidence. Math is a language, so it can tell truths and it can tell lies depending on what you are looking for.
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: Looking for Best Resources Proving Flat Earth
    « Reply #4 on: July 20, 2022, 09:21:49 AM »
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  • So... I just watched this video: ...

    I can't believe I'm going to be convinced of the flat earth, but me thinks the evidence in the video is impossible to disprove.

    I'll be researching flat Earth now, so if anyone has favourite flat Earth video proofs, articles, etc. please send me the best you have.

    Thanks.
    I am in the same boat...  sitting on the fence about it.  Thanks for starting this thread.


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    Re: Looking for Best Resources Proving Flat Earth
    « Reply #5 on: July 20, 2022, 09:42:36 AM »
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  • It's kind of scary when one first begins to realize that we've been lied to all this time, about the shape of the earth. Certain family members were quite upset when I told them I believe the earth is flat. But it's difficult to deny reality.
    I know I mocked it when I first came across the idea. One year later and I was reeling that we have been lied to for a century, and longer, about the nature of our own world. You can honestly go back and look at my posts last year where I came to terms with it.
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: Looking for Best Resources Proving Flat Earth
    « Reply #6 on: July 20, 2022, 10:02:54 AM »
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  • The Black Swan is one of the best out there

    1 hr 15 mins
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: Looking for Best Resources Proving Flat Earth
    « Reply #7 on: July 20, 2022, 01:10:20 PM »
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  • Lots of videos on this channel.

    https://www.youtube.com/c/flateartheric
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    Re: Looking for Best Resources Proving Flat Earth
    « Reply #8 on: July 20, 2022, 01:13:28 PM »
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  • For context, to understand the enormity of the lies we have been taught, it helps to understand the role Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ and NASA play in all of this.

    NASA and Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ
    In my book “Famous Freemasons Exposed” I showed how Nicolas Copernicus, Johannes Kepler, Galileo Galilei, and Isaac Newton, the four fore-fathers of the globalist heliocentric doctrine, all posed for Masonic portraits highlighting various symbols and hand-signs denoting their affiliation with the brotherhood.  Galileo poses on a Masonic checkerboard floor, Kepler with the “hidden hand” sign, and all four of them pose with a Masonic compass and globe while flashing the Masonic “M” hand-sign.  “Sir” Isaac Newton was even knighted by Queen Anne at Trinity College’s Masonic Masters Lodge.
    An inordinate number of NASA astronauts, the current propagators of the globalist heliocentric doctrine, are/were admitted Freemasons as well.  John Glenn, two-time US senator and one of NASA’s first astronauts is a known Mason.  Buzz Aldrin Jr., the second man to lie about walking on the moon is an admitted, ring-wearing, hand-sign flashing 33rd degree Mason from Montclair Lodge No. 144 in New Jersey.  Edgar Mitchell, another supposed moon-walker aboard Apollo 14 is an Order of Demolay Mason at Artesta Lodge No. 29 in New Mexico.  James Irwin of Apollo 15, the last man to lie about walking on the moon, was a Tejon Lodge No. 104 member in Colorado Springs.  Donn Eisele on Apollo 7 was a member of the Luther B. Turner Lodge No. 732 in Ohio.  Gordon Cooper aboard Mercury 9 and Gemini 5 was a Master Mason in Carbondale Lodge No. 82 in Colorado.  Virgil Grissom on Apollo 1 and 15, Mercury 5 and Gemini 3 was a Master Mason from Mitchell Lodge No. 228 in Indiana.  Walter Schirra Jr. on Apollo 7, Sigma 7, Gemini 6 and Mercury 8 was a 33rd degree Mason at Canaveral Lodge No. 339 in Florida.  Thomas Stafford on Apollo 10 and 18, Gemini 7 and 9 is a Mason at Western Star Lodge No. 138 in Oklahoma.  Paul Weitz on Skylab 2 and Challenger is from Lawrence Lodge No. 708 in Pennsylvania.
    NASA astronauts Neil Armstrong, Allen Sheppard, William Pogue, Vance Brand, and Anthony England all had fathers who were Freemasons too! The amount of astronauts known to be Freemasons or from Freemasonic families is astonishing.  It is likely that more astronauts and people of key importance in NASA are affiliated with the brotherhood as well, but not so open about their membership.  For there to be this many Masons, members of the world’s largest and oldest secret society, involved with the promotion and propagation of this globalist heliocentric doctrine from its outset to today should raise some serious suspicion!
    C. Fred Kleinknecht, head of NASA at the time of the Apollo Space Program, is now the Sovereign Grand Commander of the Council of the 33rd Degree of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ of the Southern Jurisdiction.  It was his reward for pulling it off!  All of the first astronauts were Freemasons.  There is a photograph in the House of the Temple in Washington DC of Neil Armstrong supposedly on the moon’s surface in his spacesuit holding his Masonic Apron in front of his groin.”  -William Cooper
    NASA’s logo is a giant red forked serpent’s tongue overlaying the starry heavens.  Serpents, and specifically their forked tongues, have long been associated with lying, deceit, cleverness, two-facedness, manipulation, and with Satan, the Devil.  Why would the National Aeronautics and Space Administration choose this as their official logo?
    The United Nations, the nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr government headquarters, built on land donated by 33rd degree Freemason John D. Rockefeller, is represented by a logo/flag which clearly depicts a Flat Earth divided into 33 sections!  There are 33 official degrees of Scottish-Rite Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ, and the UN flag features a Flat-Earth divided into exactly 33 sections!  Why would the United Nations founders choose a logo/flag of a Flat-Earth map divided into 33 sections?  How is it that C. Fred Kleinknecht, the head of NASA, retired and immediately became the head of the 33rd degree of Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ?  How is it that all the fore-fathers of the ball-Earth theory and so many NASA astronauts are all Freemasons!?

    The Masons’ esoteric religion, the very basis of their symbols and rituals, is Sun-worship.  From their first day in the lodge, Masonic initiates learn that Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ is all about light, enlightenment, illumination (hence, the “Illuminati) and hence worship of the Sun as the giver of light.  Masonic halls are all purposely constructed to correspond with the motions of the Sun.  They are always situated intentionally facing East towards the Sun, with the “Worshipful Master” sitting in the far East on a throne engraved with a picture of the Sun.  The high festival of the Masons is on Christian’s “St. John’s Day,” or the 24th of June, otherwise known as “midsummer day” when the Sun arrives at its annual highest elevation, the summer solstice.  Regarding the Masonic “Rite of Circuмambulation,” 33rd degree Freemasonic historian Albert Mackey says, “In Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ people always walked three times round the alter while singing a sacred hymn.  In making this procession, great care was taken to move an imitation of the course of the Sun.  This Rite of Circuмambulation undoubtedly refers to the doctrine of sun-worship.”

    Masonry is derived and is the remains of the religion of the ancient Druids; who, like the magi of Persia and the priests of Heliopolis in Egypt, were priests of the Sun.  They paid worship to this great luminary, as the great visible agent of a great invisible first cause.  The Christian religion and Masonry have one and the same common origin: both are derived from the worship of the Sun.  The difference between their origin is, that the Christian religion is a parody on the worship of the Sun, in which they put a man whom they call Christ, in the place of the Sun, and pay him the same adoration which was originally paid to the Sun.  In Masonry many of the ceremonies of the Druids are preserved in their original state, at least without any parody.  With them the Sun is still the Sun; and his image in the form of the Sun is the great emblematical ornament of Masonic lodges and Masonic dresses.  It is the central figure on their aprons, and they wear it also pendant on the breast of their lodges, and in their processions … The Sun, as the great visible agent of the Creator, was the visible object of the adoration of the Druids; all their religious rites and ceremonies had reference to the apparent progress of the sun through the twelve signs of the zodiac, and his influence upon the earth.  The Masons adopt the same practices.  The roof of their temples or lodges is ornamented with a sun, and the floor is a representation of the variegated face of the earth either by carpeting or mosaic work … The emblematical meaning of the Sun is well known to the enlightened and inquisitive Freemason; and as the real Sun is situated in the center of the universe, so the emblematical Sun is the center of real Masonry … only the scientific Freemason knows the reason why the Sun is placed in the center of this beautiful hall.”  -Thomas Paine, “Origin of Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ”

    The real reason the Sun is placed in the center of Masonic halls, is because it represents the core of their five-century long heliocentric deception!  First, the Sun-worshippers took us off our ancient natural 13 month lunar calendars and replaced them with unnatural, irregular 12 month Gregorian solar calendars.  Second, they put the Sun into the center of the universe, and then convinced people the Earth and everything else revolve around it!  Third, they made the Sun the biggest object in the heavens, supposedly 119 times bigger than the Moon, even though we can clearly see they are of equal size.  Fourth, they demoted the Moon to being a mere reflector of the Sun’s magnificent light, claiming the Moon to have no light of its own.  And finally in 1969 the Sun-worshippers, aboard a craft named “Apollo” after the Greek Sun God, claimed to land on, and thereby spiritually and physically “conquer,” the Moon.

    The sun has ever been at the center of false religion.  The Ancient Mystery religions venerated the sun, the solar disk, as deity.  The Greeks honored Apollo as the child of the sun.  The Romans paid homage to Mithra the sun God.  These pagan philosophies form the basis for the worship of the illuminati and indicate the importance of the sun as symbol of satanic deity.  Now today, the Masons, as did the apostate Jєωιѕн elders and priests in the days of Ezekiel, continue to worship Satan the sun God, also called Lucifer or Baal, by other names.  The name of their great God Jahbuhlun, which is revealed to Masons in the higher degrees, is a synonym for the solar deity; two of the three syllable in the name, buh and lun, mean ‘Baal’ and ‘On,’ both of which represent sun and fire Gods.”  -Texe Marrs, “Codex Magica”

    The winged-disc symbol displayed prominently over the doorway of Masonic lodges shows a solar disc with eagles’ wings and two serpents.  This ancient symbol was found in Egyptian, Sumerian, Mesopotamian, Hittite, Anatolian, Persian, Native American, Mexican and Australian tribal cultures, always representative of the Sun.  Eagles have also long been associated with the Sun since they fly highest closest to the Sun and they can stare straight into its light.  Roman Generals kept golden solar eagles atop their Rods as a sign of supremacy over the army.  In Egypt, Horus the hawk was always symbolized with a Sun over his head.  The Native Americans also associated eagles with the Sun, such as the Abenaki eagle-god “Kisosen, the Sun-Bringer.”

    NASA’s Apollo 11 mission patch symbol shows an eagle landing on the Moon.   The Apollo 16 and 17 patches also prominently feature eagles.  The Apollo 13 symbol shows 3 horses pulling the Sun behind them which references the ancient Greek legend of Helios, the Sun God, traveling across the sky in a chariot drawn by horses.  In total, NASA supposedly landed 12 men (and 0 women) on the Moon.  Since the Moon has always been associated with the feminine and the number 13, the Sun associated with the masculine and number 12, putting 12 men on the Moon, once again is symbolic of the Masonic patriarchal brotherhood conquering the divine celestial feminine.  This is also the occult reason why Apollo 13 “coincidentally” had an explosion at 13:13 on April 13th.

    To make interstellar travel believable NASA was created.  The Apollo Space Program foisted the idea that man could travel to, and walk upon, the moon.  Every Apollo mission was carefully rehearsed and then filmed in large sound stages at the Atomic Energy Commissions Top Secret test site in the Nevada Desert and in a secured and guarded sound stage at the Walt Disney Studios within which was a huge scale mock-up of the moon.  All names, missions, landing sites, and events in the Apollo Space Program echoed the occult metaphors, rituals and symbology of the Illuminati’s secret religion.  The most transparent was the faked explosion on the spacecraft Apollo 13, named ‘Aquarius’ (new age) at 1:13 (13:13 military time) on April 13, 1970.”  -William Cooper, “Mystery Babylon”
    So why do NASA logos feature serpent tongues and eagles?  And why are there an excessive number of Mason astronauts?  The eagle-winged solar disk symbol with twin serpents found in every Masonic lodge holds the answer.  The double-headed eagle is the official symbol of the 33rd degree of Masonry.  The 25th degree of Masonry initiates are known as “Knights of the Brazen Serpent,” and the 28th degree are known as “Knights of the Sun.”  The religion of the Druids, pre-cursor to modern Masonry, was the same as the ancient Egyptians, where priests ruled from “Heliopolis” or “The City of the Sun,” a city full of obelisks built for their Sun God Ra.

    The Egyptians believe that the spirit of their Sun God, Ra, resides within the obelisk.  Therefore, they would worship and pray to the obelisk, always facing East, three times daily, if possible.  The greatest obelisk in the world is the Washington Monument, created by the Freemasons in honor of President George Washington.  To see how important the obelisk is to the Mason, you only have to go to a cemetery where Masons are buried and look at the many graves which display obelisk grave stones.”  -David Bay, “Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ Proven to Worship Lucifer”

    The serpent is universally the symbol of the Sun, as the Sun was the great enlightener of the physical world, so the serpent was held to have been the great enlightener of the spiritual, by giving mankind the ‘knowledge of good and evil.’  And according to the Bible, you know who gave man the knowledge of good and evil: Satan, Lucifer.  Now, if the adepts knew that the Sun was a symbol of something that the people would not support, such as a belief that Lucifer, the devil, was the god that they worshipped, they would have to continue with their charade, so that the people would not decide to stop worshipping.  Because if the sheeple figured it out, they would no longer support their activities.  They would have to keep their beliefs from the people, and conceal their secret worship in hidden symbols.  So sun worship as a religion prospered.”  -William Cooper, “Mystery Babylon”
    The first person to ever present the idea of a Sun-centered universe was Pythagoras of Samos in around 500 B.C.  Pythagoras is also widely recognized by Masonic historians as being the very first Freemason!  Master Mason Dr. James Anderson said in his “Defence of Masonry,” that, “I am fully convinced that Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ is very nearly allied to the old Pythagorean Discipline, from whence, I am persuaded, it may in some circuмstances very justly claim a descent.”  Master Mason William Hutchinson wrote in his “Spirit of Masonry,” that, “the ancient Masonic record brings us positive evidence of the Pythagorean doctrine and Basilidian principles making the foundation of our religious and moral duties.”  Master Mason William Preston wrote that Pythagoras was “among the first Masons” but contends in his “Illustrations of Masonry,” that, “the records of the fraternity inform us that Pythagoras was regularly initiated into Masonry; and being properly instructed in the mysteries of the Art, he was much improved, and propagated the principles of the Order in other countries into which he afterwards traveled.”

    33rd degree Freemasonic historian Albert Mackey in his “Encyclopedia of Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ,” wrote that, “On his return to Europe, Pythagoras established his celebrated school at Crotona, a Dorian Colony in the south of Italy, about 529 B.C., much resembling that subsequently adopted by the Freemasons.  His school soon acquired such a reputation that disciples flocked to him from all parts of Greece and Italy.  Pythagoras taught as the principal dogma of his philosophy the system of metempsychosis, or the transmigration of souls.  He taught the mystical power of numbers, and much of the symbolism on that subject which we now possess is derived from what has been left to us by his disciples.  He was also a geometrician, and is regarded as having been the inventor of several problems … The schools established by Pythagoras at Crotona and other cities, have been considered by many writers as the models after which Masonic Lodges were subsequently constructed … The disciples of this school wore the simplest kind of clothing, and having on their entrance surrendered all their property to the common fund, they then submitted for three years to voluntary poverty, during which time they were also compelled to a rigorous silence.  The doctrines of Pythagoras were always delivered as infallible propositions which admitted of no argument … Before admission to the privileges of this school, the previous life and character of the candidate were rigidly scrutinized, and in the preparatory initiation secrecy was enjoined by an oath, and he was made to submit to the severest trials of his fortitude and self-command.  He who after his admission was alarmed at the obstacles he had to encounter, was permitted to return to the world, and the disciples, considering him as dead, performed his funeral obsequies, and erected a monument to his memory.  The mode of living in the school of Crotona was like that of the modern Communists.  The Brethren, about six hundred in number, with their wives and children, resided in one large building … They arose before day to pay their devotions to the sun … The meals consisted principally of bread, honey, and water, for though the table was often covered with delicacies, no one was permitted to partake of them.  It was in this secret school that Pythagoras gave his instructions on his interior doctrine, and explained the hidden meaning of his symbols.  There were three Degrees: the first or Mathematic, being engaged in the study of the exact sciences; and the second, or Theoretic, in the knowledge of God and the future state of man; but the third or highest Degree, was communicated only to a few whose intellects were capable of grasping the full fruition of the Pythagorean philosophy.”
    In addition to these admissions by Masonic historians, the life and work of Pythagoras closely resembles many aspects of the craft, from his obsession with triangles and geometry, to his school-cult full of initiatory rites and brain-washing.  Candidates were “rigidly scrutinized” just like candidates for Masonry are “given the third degree” i.e.  forced to answer many probing personal questions, and are then either given a white-ball or black-ball by Masons in the lodge, just one black-ball resulting in being “black-balled” / kicked out.  If initiated, just like in Masonry, Pythagorean initiates had to swear oaths of secrecy and loyalty then submitted to various tests, trials and rituals.  The “brethren” lived like communists and worshipped the Sun.  Over time they progressed through a series of three degrees in which only the privileged few in the highest degree learned the truth of the symbols and rituals.  The many parallels of the Pythagorean School and modern Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ are far too similar to ignore.

    Luckily for the world, Pythagoras’ heliocentric model of the universe made little headway for almost two thousand years until another suspected Mason, Nicolas Copernicus labored 27 years of his life to create his updated model called the “Solar System,” which also featured a globe-Earth revolving around the Sun.  Born in Prussia in 1472, Copernicus studied philosophy and medicine at Cvacova, and became Professor of Mathematics at Rome.  The last decades of his life he become obsessed with the ideas of Pythagoras and when he first presented his heliocentric doctrine to the world, it was condemned as being so heretical that he was imprisoned and only released upon making a recantation of his opinions.
    He published his famous Treaty on the Revolution of the Celestial Spheres in 1543, the year of his death, and even then insisted on their purely hypothetical nature.  Copernicus wrote, “The Pythagorean teaching was founded upon hypothesis and it is not necessary that the hypothesis should be true, or even probable.  The hypothesis of the movement of the earth is only one which is useful to explain phenomena, but it should not be considered as an absolute truth.”
    The system of the Universe, as taught by Modern Astronomers, being founded entirely on theory, for the truth of which they are unable to advance one single real proof, they have entrenched themselves in a conspiracy of silence, and decline to answer any objections which may be made to their hypotheses … Copernicus himself, who revived the theory of the heathen philosopher Pythagoras, and his great exponent Sir Isaac Newton, confessed that their system of a revolving Earth was only a possibility, and could not be proved by facts. It is only their followers who have decorated it with the name of an ‘exact science,’ yea, according to them, ‘the most exact of all the sciences.’  Yet one Astronomer Royal for England once said, speaking of the motion of the whole Solar system: ‘The matter is left in a most delightful state of uncertainty, and I shall be very glad if any one can help me out of it.’ What a very sad position for an ‘exact science’ to be in is this!”  -David Wardlaw Scott, “Terra Firma” (10)
    The origin of the globular theory may be traced and shown to be pagan.  It was introduced into Egypt by the Greek Pythagoras, about 500 B.c.  He was a native of Samos, and a great traveler in his early days.  He travelled much in the East.  And he imbibed the fallacious idea that the earth and sea together formed a whirling globe and that the heavenly bodies were other worlds (inhabited.)  Pythagoras returned to Europe, and introduced these serious errors into his own country … Newton was no logician and logic formed no part of his composition.  Nor did he profess to possess this quality, which is absolutely essential to a discerner and founder of true Science.  He spent his whole life in investing and formulating an elaboration which he called the Solar System, building upon the mythical fallacies which Pythagoras had brought from the East in the first instance; and which had been handed down by Copernicus, Kepler, and Galileo.  Without testing the nature of his foundations he accepted the whole fabrication, and took Copernicus’s hypotheses all for granted.”  -Lady Blount, “The Romance of Science” (3-4)
    Copernicus had evolved another theory, which he also explains in his Treatise on the Revolution of the Celestial Spheres, that if a body is to revolve round another, the first one must have a spherical shape and rotate about its axis in the manner of a spinning top. Consequently, in order to make this notion fit in with the movement of the earth round the sun which he had devised in order to explain the seasons, he suddenly decreed that the earth was round, contrary to the general opinion at the time, and then proclaimed that it had a movement of rotation about its axis. The great inconvenience in this proposition is that the rotation of the earth cannot be seen to exist, either with regard to the position of the sun or clouds during the day, or of the moon and other planets by night. On the other hand, the fact of the immobility of the earth has an immense advantage over the theory of the rotation in that it can positively be recognized as such, and it can safely be said that if the earth cannot be seen to move, there are hundred chances in a hundred that it does not do so.”  -Gabrielle Henriet, “Heaven and Earth” (9-10)


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    Re: Looking for Best Resources Proving Flat Earth
    « Reply #9 on: July 20, 2022, 01:35:43 PM »
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  • The Black Swan is one of the best out there

    1 hr 15 mins


    Dr. John D's stuff is some of the best out there.  He conducts his experiments meticulously.  He hasn't gotten too much traction in terms of popularity, however, because his videos are so long (precisely because he tries to be so precise) .. and so your average person with short attention span finds them "boring".

    I'll try to find Taboo Conspiracy III's channel, which I find to be outstanding.  "Mountain of Evidence" video (made by an FE skeptic) is also very powerful.  J. Tolan has some great materials.  Finally, "Convex Earth" video was what really won me over when I was on the fence about FE.

    Really the only argument globe earthers have to explain all this is refraction (... which magically ceases to be a consideration when they occasionally find a picture where a distance object is cut off from the bottom).  But Dr. John D's two-way laser experiment put that one to bed completely.  And the wind turbine video above is more Black Swan than the one commonly called that.  Those turbines follow precisely the line of perspective you would expect at their respective distances.  That would mean that there's an exact amount of refraction taking place for nearly the entire distance, with the amount of refraction between turbine 7 and 6 being identical to that between 6 and 5 ... all the way down to 1.  Otherwise you wouldn't see such a clear line.



    You can draw a straight line between the (top of the yellow) on 1 to the top of the yellow on 6 and have it hit the top of the yellow on all of them.  You expect that when the only factor there is perspective.  For this to be caused by refraction, the refraction rate would have to be identical for the entire 11+ miles.  That is simply not possible.

    I'll try to dig up some links to the above later.


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    Re: Looking for Best Resources Proving Flat Earth
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    GYROSCOPES  

    One of the Most Powerful Physical Evidences of a Flat and Immovable Earth

    The reason why gyroscopes are one of the most powerful evidences that the earth is flat is that this one physical apparatus single-handedly proves two important truths: 

    1) The earth is a flat plane.

    2) The earth does not spin, wobble, or move in any direction.

    First let us discuss exactly how airplane gyroscopes work and how they are calibrated so as to establish the basis for these proofs.

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    FIRST, HOW GYROSCOPES WORK, HOW THEY'RE ORIENTATED, AND HOW THIS PROVES THE EARTH IS A PLANE

    (Then later we will discuss how gyroscopes prove that the earth doesn't spin.)

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    GYROSCOPE BASICS

    Basically, anything that constantly spins can be said to be a gyro. 

    In one of NASA's "space footage" videos an astronaut uses a spinning CD player to show how the spinning CD causes the player to remain in one position "in zero gravity."

    NASA always likes to put the truth right in your face, and then laugh and laugh at how people don't get it.

    Similarly, you have likely noticed the way a high speed drill JERKS when it's started, and then the way it resists being turned in the hand—the faster the drill spins, and the heavier the spinning mass, the harder it is to turn the body of the drill as it resists your attempts to re-orientate it.

    Likewise, if you remove the front tire of a bicycle, and put a long screw driver through the hole, and have a friend spin the wheel as fast as he can, you will note the way the spinning mass seeks to resist your efforts to re-orientate the wheel's position.

    Understanding the way spinning gyros resist movement is key to understanding how they work, and how they prove that the earth is flat and does not spin.

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    An explanation of how Airplane Gyroscopes work, and how Airplane Gyroscopes are [calibrated before takeoff], will help you to see why this is one of the most powerful physical evidences of a flat and stationary earth.

    The airplane's gyroscope meter is also called "an attitude indicator" and "an artificial horizon". Thus whenever we use one of these three words we are referring to the same apparatus.

    Understanding how the Airplane Attitude Indicator or Artificial Horizon works solidly establishes that it is impossible for the earth to be spherical, because an airplane relying on a gyroscope CAN NOT WORK while flying over a globe. And understanding how mechanical Attitude Indicators are CALIBRATED thoroughly decimates any counter-argument that gyroscopes work while flying over a ball.

    One popular argument that relies entirely on our ignorance is that the attitude meter develops drift errors, and as a result needs to be periodically recalibrated [during] or [in mid-flight].

    Another argument is that the gyroscope rights itself by gravity during flight, continuously keeping the artificial horizon in line with the earth curve below the airplane.

    (As these points are established, ask yourself this question: "If gravity exists and the earth is a spinning ball, and the science is THE TRUTH, why do its proponents rely on arguments that depend on you to be ignorant in order to prove the science?”)

    Again, these two arguments rely entirely on our ignorance. So let’s un-ignorant ourselves. Or rather let’s get thoroughly educated with some solid (and perhaps inconvenient) facts.

    First, exactly how is a mechanical attitude indicator calibrated before flight?

    Inside the Attitude Meter’s capsule-housing lies the core of the meter - a spinning, often spherical mass of solid metal (the gyro), as well as the three gimbals upon which the spinning mass pivots. 

    The gyro and gimbals are evenly weighted so that [when the airplane is perfectly still] the gyro is balanced in a perfectly upright position, and the horizon line is in a perfectly horizontal position.

    Note that the gyroscope must be perfectly horizontal BEFORE the gyroscope starts to spin, because once the gyro is spinning, you will not be able to influence its orientation, due to the fact that the spinning gyro moves freely within three gimbals, and this unit is housed inside of a vacuum [sealed] enclosure that is attached to the airplane’s instrument panel with impact resistant mounting, making the gyroscope impervious to all outside movement interference.

    In other words, if you have ever played with a toy gyroscope as a kid, you know that when the gyro is at rest it is easy to move it however you want. But once it is spinning it takes considerable force to change its orientation as the gyro fights against you when trying to change its orientation. However, with regards to an airplane gyroscope, because the gimbal-pivots allow the gyro to move freely in all directions, any attempt to alter its orientation will be futile, as the gyro will constantly right itself no matter how you move the housing and airplane.

    To align the meter with the horizon, the gyroscope is orientated with up and down WHEN THE GYRO IS AT REST, before the gyro-mass starts to spin, before the airplane has taken off, before the pilot has even begun his preflight check routine.

    Here is the reason why this proves that the earth is flat. . .

    Because the gyroscope was orientated while the airplane was standing still on the ground, no matter where the airplane is over the earth THE GYRO IS ALWAYS ORIENTATED WITH THE EARTH BACK AT THE AIRPORT from where you took off. 

    Reread that last paragraph as many times as you need to get the full sense of it.

    To be precise (because we like things that are precise and conclusive), the gyro is orientated with THE SPOT it was sitting when it began to spin up.

    But you may ask yourself: "Why can the gyroscope horizon indicator [not] be orientated while in mid flight?"

    First off, there is no way to orientate the gyro with [up and down] WHILE THE AIRPLANE IS MOVING. Why? Because the gyro housing, being screw-mounted to the airplane's instrument panel, is bouncing around with air turbulence, while the airplane is pitching, and rolling, and banking, and climbing, and diving, and rising, and dropping. . .   With all this airplane movement you can not trust your internal sense of [what is LEVEL] while in flight. And in order to calibrate the gyro while in flight, your senses are the only other instrument you have to gauge horizon and direction. After all, you can’t use the gyroscope to orient itself - that would be like using a ruler to measure itself for accuracy, or like using a square to check itself for square.

    Additionally, often times a pilot is flying above the clouds. You can’t rely on clouds to adjust the meter, because even if the clouds on the horizon LOOK LIKE they are horizontal, there is simply no way of knowing for sure. After all, they’re made of water vapor. The clouds could be all over the place, heaving up and down, and you wouldn’t know for sure. So re-calibrating the meter with a cloud horizon is entirely out of the question.

    There would be no way to know for sure that you are flying PERFECTLY horizontal with the earth below with all the movement variables, and without a perfectly horizontal visual horizon.

    Now THEORETICALLY . . . Perhaps in an extreme emergency a pilot could orient the artificial horizon with the physical horizon off in the distance. However this scenario demands that the true horizon of the earth be visible to the pilot. HOWEVER, IF the earth is a ball, this also makes it impossible for a pilot to orient a gyro with the earth's horizon because IF the earth was a ball the horizon would be curved and not flat. A pilot could only orient a gyroscope on a flat earth lining up the gyroscope's flat horizon line with a perfectly flat earth horizon. Furthermore, on a globe earth the horizon will continue to drop lower and lower as you distance yourself from the earth in elevation, and therefor you can not recalibrate the airplane’s gyroscope with the horizon, because the horizon will appear higher than when at a lower altitude; and the horizon will be appear lower when at a higher altitude - hence you would be relying entirely on intuition and guesswork; and because the horizon appears lower at higher altitudes, visually adjusting your horizon indicator to the visual horizon would result in a downward pitch - causing you to fly downward, and not horizontal.

    Airplanes fly from one end of the earth to another, on a daily basis, during the blackness of night, within the clouds, in inclement weather (storms), even far above the clouds - and in all these daily scenarios the physical horizon simply can not be SEEN, in order to orientate the artificial horizon - even if a pilot wanted to. 

    The conclusion of the matter is that the pilot NEVER attempts to orientate the horizon meter’s gyroscope while in mid flight. It is both impossible, and life threatening. 

    And even if he did attempt to do so, the spinning gyro would resist all attempts. He would literally have to tare the housing apart and change the gyro’s orientation with his fingers before attempting to alter it from being orientated with the ground back at the airport where he took off from.

    And the only way the gyroscope’s spinning mass would be standing still during flight would be if the housing was so damaged (crushed) that it no longer allows the gyro within to freely spin - or due to some internal malfunction that has rendered the unit non-functioning. And thus it would be futile to attempt to calibrate it, because it is broken.

    And that is why re-calibrating the gyroscope in mid flight is only a theoretical scenario - because it only works in a hypothetical theory; but it is in all respects impossible in reality.

    Instead the pilot is simply taught at flight school to trust what the instrument is telling him and learn to fly blindly while relying 100% on the instrument panel - ask any pilot and they will wholeheartedly agree with this statement.

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    What about the argument that the gyroscope develops "drift" errors throughout the duration of the flight?

    Again, this argument is founded on the assumption that you are ignorant, and therefor unable to mount a viable counterargument.

    The people who devised this foolish and untrue argument understand that an airplane's “Directional Meter” (N,S,E,W), using a gyroscope moving on only two gimbals, CAN develop drift - due to the fact that with only two gimbals (pivots) it is susceptible to a degree of outside movement interference being transferred to the internal gyroscope over the duration of a long flight. If or when the directional gyro develops drift, its bearing can be reoriented with an ordinary pocket compass.

    However, this only applies the two gimbaled directional instrument.  

    On the other hand, unlike the directional meter, the gyroscope within [the horizon indicator] has THREE gimbals (three pivot points), allowing the spinning mass inside to move freely in all directions, NEARLY IMPERVIOUS to all outside movement interference (outside of a full-out uncontrolled falling tail-spin). Therefor, because the attitude meter has three gimbals it can not develop drift under normal daily flight conditions, even over very long flights.

    So the liars are trying to deceive you by relating to you what a 2 gimbal [directional gyroscope] does, but telling you that it applies to the 3 gimbal [horizontal gyroscope] - and though a lie, the argument is successful if you don’t know the physical differences between the two entirely different instruments.

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    CONCLUSION

    The conclusion is that no matter where you are flying in an airplane as you travel over the earth, the Attitude Indicator (horizon indicator) is ALWAYS set to THE SPOT where the gyroscope was sitting when the gyro's internal mass began to spin up to speed - the gyro was set back at the airport, before the plane even took off, and it continues to be oriented to the tarmac of the airport's landing strip for the entire duration of the flight from the time it departs to the time it lands and powers down.

    And because the spinning mass resists all interference outside of the isolated enclosure, and the orientation of the gyro (under normal daily operating conditions) CAN NOT be altered without completely taking the housing apart. . .

    As you travel around the imaginary curve of the earth, it is impossible for it to be orientating itself with a curve.

    (Note: Consider too that the gyro mass is spinning a few thousand miles per hour. AT A GIVEN MOMENT, EVERY SINGLE POINT on the spinning mass is pointing in all directions along the axis of vertical spin. Reread that last sentence a few times and let it really sink in. This is why Eric Laithwaite observed that gyroscopes appear to defy gravity - because if gravity existed, it can not find a single point on a spinning mass to pull down on, because the mass is balanced, and all points are pointing outward in every direction simultaneously. Ultimately the gyroscope is impervious to gravity because gravity doesn’t exist. The spinning mass is creating an energy/movement vortex within the aether. And this is the key to the “anti-gravity” Laithwaite spoke of and was excommunicated from the church of science for.)

    Do you think that the horizon indicator knows that gravity exists that it needs to orientate itself to the ball-earth's constantly dropping curve as it flies over the earth?

    The horizon indicator has no brain. 

    It does not know what it is doing. 

    It does not know that the airplane is moving forward or banking or climbing or landing. 

    It has no brain, so it doesn’t say to itself “I need to dip to compensate for earth curve.” 

    Without a brain the horizon indicator is unaware of curvature or flatness. It is unaware of even itself.

    It just does a job, and that is all. The spinning gyroscope mass at the core of the apparatus keeps the horizontal line on the interface of the meter in the exact same orientation as it was balanced at before the plane took off. And the pilot, who does have a brain, keeps the airplane level with the line on the interface.

    The gyroscope doesn’t understand curve. It stays level at all times. And the pilot trusting in it flies level even if he is flying from one end of the earth to the other.

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    Below is an official manufacturer’s manual showing how to install and calibrate a physical gyroscope driven Attitude Indicator. It’s true that airplanes today come equipped with laser gyros. But there are still thousands of older airplanes still in service using these older mechanical gyroscope units. And humans have been relying on them to fly over the plane of the earth for over a hundred years or more. So the evidence will always be relevant despite newer technologies.

    You can also find good information on airplane gyroscope horizon indicators by searching Google. It’s also very educational to read airplane forums where pilots are discussing horizon indicators according to how they experience them in and before flight.

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    Another way gyroscopes become an even more solid proof of a flat plane is with ‘Ring Laser Gyroscopes’.

    First off, it must be noted and understood that a modern ring laser gyroscope is a scaled down version of the apparatus used by Michelson and Morley in 1887, which conclusively proved that the earth does not spin.

    Because light is NOT a constant, Michelson and Morley were able to set up two lasers on a large flat table, with each laser facing a different direction shooting a beam in opposing directions, and by spinning the table, this caused the beams coming from the lasers to either slow down, or speed up. I recommend that everyone watch videos explaining how the Michelson-Morley Experiment works to get a clearer picture.

    Michelson & Morley’s experiment demonstrated that when the table was spun left or right, the two laser beams of equal length came back to a reader at different time intervals, proving that light has to travel slower when it is moving backward, and that light travels faster when moving forward. The very same apparatus showed zero change in light travel when it was at rest (not moving left or right).  Hence, when the very same apparatus is standing completely still, it must show a change in light speed, because the earth is spinning over a thousand miles per hour, and the apparatus is tethered to “the spinning earth.”  Because Michelson & Morley’s laser gyroscope shows ZERO difference in the travel of the lasers due to earth spin, this conclusively nullifies earth spin to 0 miles per hour—proving conclusively that the earth is at rest.

    It was because The Michelson-Morley Experiment and other optical experiments at that time were SO CONCLUSIVE, that Einstein was paid to present his relativity theory specifically for the purpose of proving the results wrong [in the minds of the public]. It was in direct response to such experiments that Einstein claimed that “the motion of the Earth cannot be detected by any optical experiment.” By solid and repeatable experimentation, ALL of the physical evidence was against a spinning earth; so Einstein and The Social Architects used math-magic and dismissive reasoning to brush the evidence under the rug.

    However, here is the twist.

    MODERN AIRPLANE RING LASER GYROSCOPES NEGATE THE GRAVITY ARGUMENT

    Modern airplane gyroscopes are a perfect SCALED DOWN version of The Michelson and Morley laser device used in 1887, and today the Michelson and Morley experiment plays out in thousands of flights over the earth, every single day, thousands of times a day - and each time proving that the earth is a plane.

    Furthermore, a ring laser gyroscope has no moving parts like the old mechanical gyroscopes. And hence there is nothing for people to claim that “gravity” is effecting the outcome. The ring laser gyro entirely agates the entire “gravity” argument — and yet the ring laser gyroscope remains in complete agreement with the old mechanical gyroscopes, along with thousands and thousands of airplanes still in operation using the old mechanical gyros.

    Now because the flight industry has been changing over to ring laser gyroscopes, this actually gives us two evidences of a flat and motionless earth; as opposed to having only mechanical gyroscopes as evidence. The industry switched to laser horizon meters for two reasons: 

    1) because they are more precise and are accurate even in a full descending tail-spin; 2) because they believe that moving away from the older physical spinning mass based gyroscopes that it counteracts the “anti gravity argument. 

    However, because ring laser gyros are based on an experiment (Michelson-Morley) which already conclusively proved in 1887 that the earth doesn’t spin, and because light is not subject to “the weak gravity of the earth”, they have entirely undone themselves by giving us TWO proofs of a flat and motionless earth.

    (Note: Science lovers will claim that “light is subject to gravity”; however, if light does change according to gravity, then laser light must be proven to change length, and bend, under normal earth gravity conditions—and it must apply in all cases; not just in conveniently selective experiments.)

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    SATELLITES COUNTER ARGUMENT

    “In satellites the gyroscope is self-orientated by being pulled down by the earth's gravity"

    One day when I was having this discussion with a co-worker on this subject, he confidently interjected that "the gyroscope is self-orientated by being pulled down by the earth's gravity" (which was already disproven above because the spinning mass within is pointing outward in every direction at every given moment), I decided to look up how gyroscopes are claimed to be used in NASA's deep space probes. See if you can see the problems with his argument when we consider this.

    First, to counter his counter argument I explained to him that an airplane’s gyro spins up and celebrates itself when it is still on the level airstrip, and that no matter where the plane flies, it is always orientated to the tarmac back at the airport from where it took off.

    I explained to him that NASA claims to use gyros on the ISS and in satellites, in a zero gravity environment. But in response he posed the counter argument that "The ISS and satellites are not in a true Zero-G environment, because they are still within earth’s gravity, and are in a constant state of falling, while moving fast enough to escape earth’s pull (traveling fast enough not to be pulled down to the earth)."

    So, curious to see what cognitive dissonance he comes back at me with in order to save his religious gravity doctrine, I presented to him an evidence that should decimate his counter argument (it should decimate his argument, but that depends on the degree of his cognitive dissonance). . .

    Purportedly, according to NASA's own articles on the subject (obtained directly from NASA-Dot-Gov), NASA's Deep Space probes use gyroscopes in their guidance systems.

    Now, we are talking about DEEP SPACE, far away from the earth’s gravity, and therefor he can not fall back on the “earth’s gravity” argument.

    According to NASA, Voyager and Voyager II have several extremely sensitive and sophisticated gyros as part of their guidance systems.  But here is the problem. Because deep space probes are designed for “deep space” far far far away from the earth, such probes MUST completely break free from earth’s gravity in order to continue on their mission, far beyond the pull of the earth's gravitational force.

    According to the bedtime story. . . As Voyager traveled to Saturn to collect data, it first had to break free from the earth’s gravity. It is assumed that when it broke free, that the gyro would have remained oriented to the earth. This must be the case, because if the gyro were to be recalibrated [by gravity] during its flight, A RECALIBRATION would have changed its orientation, which would have carried the probes OFF COURSE.

    But there is yet another big problem in the magical fairytale world of science. . .

    As soon as a deep space probe breaks free from the earth’s gravity, just lik, the planets, and comets (and the moon), the gyroscope MUST automatically be subject to the gravity of the sun, which gravity they say is 28 times greater than earth’s gravity.

    Exactly how powerful is the sun’s gravity according to NASA?

    The sun’s gravity is said to be so powerful that it holds the distant planet Pluto in its orbit over 3,000,000,000 (3.2339) billion miles away!

    The sun’s gravity is said to be so powerful that when Halley’s Comet is moving AWAY from the sun rushing 157,838 miles per hour, the sun grabs onto it and begins to slow it down - then the sun’s immensely powerful gravity pulls the speeding comet back from over 3,000,000,000 (3.28 billion) miles away!

    Therefor, if gyroscopes were oriented by the force of gravity, as soon as a deep space probe escapes the earth’s gravity, its “EXTREMELY SENSITIVE” gyroscopes must then reorient themselves with THE MUCH MORE POWERFUL gravity of the sun.

    Then, according to scientific reasoning, as Voyager approached Saturn, which according to NASA: “The surface gravity on Saturn is about 107% of the surface gravity on Earth” - if gyroscopes are oriented according to gravity, then Voyager’s gyroscopes would have reoriented themselves to Saturn’s gravity as soon as it approached Saturn’s powerful gravitational field - the exact same way it did back in earth’s gravitational field.

    According to this scientific reasoning, a deep space probe would never be able to remain on course, because their guidance system would be in a constant state of being forced to re-celebrate itself to every large or dense mass/body it passes—and surely "dark matter" would also alter a deep space probe’s flight path.

    (Consider too that they did not have ring laser gyroscopes when they built Voyager 1 and 2. They used mechanical gyros with a physically spinning mass - which NASA lovers claim to be subject to gravity. So for NASA to claim that mechanical gyroscopes are not effected and reorientated by gravity, is an admission that airplanes flying over the earth are also not effected by gravity - and therefore the fly earth wins no matter which way they decide to spin the story.)

    This is a perfect example of how a liar’s lies eventually get so big that they can no longer be believable.  It is also a perfect example of how a believer of the relgion of science will dismiss and abandon reason no matter how absurd it is to stick to their BE[LIE]FS in the face of irrefutable evidence.

    However, I'm happy to say that my co-worker, while surely continuing to believe that the earth is a spinny ball, was silent after I presented to him the details of how gyroscopes would be impossible on a deep space probe. The fact of the matter is that BECAUSE NASA uses the deep space lie, they dig their own hole by giving us the means to prove that gyros can not be re-oriented to mythical gravitational forces.

    NOTE:

    According to NASA, Voyager’s guidance systems consist of several extremely sensitive gyroscopes. These gyros must remain in A SINGLE FIXED AXIS for the entire duration of its flight, in order to complete it mission.

    According to NASA: “The Voyager gyroscopes can detect spacecraft angular motion as little as one ten-thousandth of a degree. The Sun's apparent motion in our sky moves over 40 times that amount in just one second.”

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    THE EARTH DOES NOT SPIN

    Not only do gyroscopes prove that the earth is flat; but they also prove that the earth does not spin.

    The second way gyroscopes proves the globe earth belief to be a false pseudo-knowledge lie:

    Gyroscopes have consistantly been used to prove that the earth DOES NOT SPIN.

    How is this achieved?

    First off, refer back to tue Michelson-Morley Experiment already cited above, which conclusively proved that earth has zero motion.

    Because leaders in aviation admit and acknowledge in their training videos that gyroscopes are uneffected by "gravity", and because the horizontal indicator remains in the same orientation when it is moved, 

    IF the earth was spinning, all one would need to do is spin up a gyro and leave it in one spot for 12 hours and OBSERVE whether or not it processes as the earth rotates beneath it—that is to say that if the earth spins, and you leave a spinning gyroscope in one location, in 12 hours the horizontal line on the attitude meter will be vertical because the earth has spun whereas the meter's horizontal line has remained in its fixed position. This is precisely what Michelson and Morley did.

    It’s really this simple.

    And many people have performed this experiment. I so happen to own a real airplane gyroscope and can confirm this.

    a) Get a gyroscope and put it on a table.

    b) Attach a small motor to the gyro so it will spin indefinitely. Then set the gyro in motion.

    c) It will take considerable time to perfectly balance the gyroscope if you are not using an airplane gyroscope. But it can be done.

    d) Take note of and mark the orientation of the gyro (the direction it is facing).

    e) Walk away from the gyro, and in 9 hours when you return, if the earth is spinning, the gyro will have progressed 90°—The gyro will not actually move, but the earth will have moved underneath the gyro, but the gyro will still show a 90° turn in relation to its original orientation.

    If the gyro has not moved 90°, then the earth simply is not spinning. Then, if you decide to stick to the “spinny ball” doctrine, you are decisively ignorant, lying to yourself, and lying to everyone else. Now you have a decision to make.

    (Note: This experiment can easily be rigged to make the gyro appear to have spun. Complete honesty is required to see TRUE results. Furthermore, a very slight reorientation of the gyro is expected due to the gyro being slightly out of balance, and also because the Aether moves over the earth in a circuit. However, a full 90° turn is necessary to prove that the earth beneath the gyro has processed 90°.)

    Because scientists and aviation experts admit that "gyroscopes remain ridged (immovable) in space", for this reason, even if our audience insists on believing in gravity, gravity still has zero effect on the gyroscope, and for this reason the proceeding argument is valid even in the supposed presence of gravity.