You people have seriously lost your collective minds! Just the fact alone that you think that the Sun is some sort of spotlight makes you look mentally imbalanced.

THIS ^^^ is the level of "thought" we're dealing with here.  Idiotic and also pathetic.  You're mentally crippled by your programming and just sitting there with drool running from your mouth as you regurgitate your cosmology.  This shows you what "open mind"s we're dealing with in these types of morons.

Not only is there a difference between flying a few hundred miles per hour and flying a few hundred thousand miles per hour, but you feel the turbulence/movement of an airplane.  That's also a huge issue with the heliocentric model (this consideration doesn't pertain to FE per se, but more to geocentrism) because you would certainly feel (big time) the changes in speed allegedly encountered by the earth due to the multiple vectors of motion.  When you're on the side of the earth rotating WITH its revolution around the sun, you're moving the speed of the earth's rotation + 1000 MPH (at equator), but then when you flip around and are rotating contrary to the earth's revolution, you're at the earth's revolution - 1000MPH.  You'd feel effects similar to those carnival teacup rides that spin in place in addition to revolving around the track.  You don't feel steady speeds (though 600K+ MPH is absurd), but you most certainly feel changes in speed and changes in direction, and the effects on the earth's weather would be catastrophic.  Again, not an FE issue per se, but pertains to geocentrism.  Nevertheless, the point was to illustrate that man, without "knowledge" of space, left to his own devices, naturally concludes that we are at rest and on a flat plane.  It's CONTRARY to our natural common sense and sensibilities to assert that we life on the side or even bottom of a ball and that we're flying through space at 100s of 1000s of MPH (more if you take into account the alleged movement of the galaxy through the universe).  Thus when children are initially told they live on a ball flying though space at breakneck speeds, it does violence to their psyche and to their sensibilities, and that is why this programming is so difficult to unravel, since their minds cling artificially to these notions when ever fiber of their being tells them the opposite is true.

In terms of the airplane, that's because it's moving through something... the air and weather events also impact it, plus it's own propulsion system etc. Planes don't fly in vacuums with no propulsion. In space it's a vacuum so there should be no resistance at all and therefore how could you get any turbulence or feeling? No propulsion to feel and in a vacuum.

Furthermore, with the gravitational pull, Jupitar acts as a shield protecting the Earth from comets and asteroids... I mean, the more I learn about it the more stunned I am and how crazy the atheists appear that they could believe in such a perfect chance assembly of events which is absolutely impossible for a blind evolutionary process to account for (I reject Darwinian Evolution btw but that's a long topic for another thread).

Also, with the Northern and Southern Hemisphere... nothing is 'flipped' it's simply a slight wobble in spinning. Another proof of design because if a wobble can cause such extreme changes in weather then the chances of the Earth being where it is in relation to the sun for life at all is astronomically impossible to be by some blind chance events... there are an unbelievable amount of blind chance events to take place in perfect succession which in terms of probabilities is a total non starter but unfortunately it's not something that's easy to explain to people IMO. The atheist simply says 'I am therefore it happened' well yeah... but aren't you even a little suspicious?

Again, with the teacup carnival ride... it's not in a vacuum, the Earth isn't stopping and starting or changing speeds either, the only inconsistency is the wobbling which accounts for the seasons with the northern and southern hemispheres and why they are inverted.

Man without 'knowledge' of space would conclude a flat Earth... but we do have knowledge of it and in fact, man without 'knowledge' of space already guessed it in many prior periods of history due to the Moon and shadows on it... It was just a theory though so no proof at such points.

That's very interesting that last part about doing violence on their psyche and sensibilities (I don't know if 'violence' is the right word but radical shock perhaps)... your right but you know what else does that... Christ! That's why it is such an emotive topic for non-believers... So just because something is radical to our understanding of the world does not mean it is false. It's also difficult to convert between religions for this very reason... but people do so based on evidence and reasoning etc.

You know what else is radical? Breaking the sound barrier at supersonic speeds and having the controls inverted lol now that's radical! Especially if you experienced it for the first time or aileron reversal for example. A lot of wild unexpected stuff was found out when designing and testing new aircraft. The USSR were ahead of the US when it came to the swept wing for early jet aircraft for example.

God Bless

In fact, the one thing in my life that did the most 'violence' to my psyche and sensibilities... is the Passion of Our Lord Jesus Christ... precisely why the Romans perfected it to keep their subjects in line and it worked... until it didn't.

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Take that spotlight and use a diameter of 32 miles.  Put it 3000 miles in the air aboce the earth and calculate what diameter is covered by the light off that spotlight.  I am not in a place where I can do the math right now, so I will try to show the answer hopefully by tomorrow.

Ok so I tried the calculation and you would have to guess at what angle the light is leaving the spotlight sun.  I picked 30 degrees which would cover an area with a 3000 mile diameter.  That is the distance from California to New York and Mexico to part of Canada.  That spotlight did not light up anything in the Southern Hemisphere.  I pulled the flashlight away to cover everything in the same timezone and the result was similar to how the sun would light up half the globe at a time.  This means that the spotlight sun on a flat map and a orb sun on a globe would look the same to people on earth.

There are two questions this brings up as exceptions. 

1) How are there long days in the southern hemisphere?  The sun travels at a constant pace across the sky and so days can be up to 24 hours in the Southern Hemisphers.  We have to trust others for this, so I am just going to let it be.

2) If the sun were a spotlight then why wouldn't the circle we see at high noon not turn into a squished oval by the time it sets?  Why do we see the circle of the sun the entire time throughout the day?

I was considering buying a Nikon p1000 camera to show proof of my own observations, but it will likely be dismissed out of hand.

If you're going to do some experiments, definitely post them.  Would like to see what you come up with.  What were some of your ideas?

To be fair though, wouldn't you do the exact same thing to any video they put up? Presume dubious origin and expertise?

Of course he would.

Their own video and experiments? No, they would get the benefit of the doubt, with one notable exception, as they are traditional Catholics and I presume they weren’t lying. That doesn’t mean I wouldn’t scrutinize it at all. God bless you too, Josh.

Personally for me it would depend on what it was, for example, the short video discussed earlier in this thread doesn't look to be AI or any trickery involved, so I think it's likely, also a hostile source so it helps a lot IMO but I could never know for sure unless I did it myself... That being said I think there are several proofs in it for a globe earth but also some interesting questions (would've been even better if he took a second shot from closer to the sea level instead of on the platform for a cross comparison).

I also have to be aware of my own capabilities, so when they tried to use the maths and Earth curvature calculator, that's an argument that isn't going to help IMO, so I think we need to come up with things using modern technology that is accessible to the average person, that they can do themselves.

Personally I think the best arguments for myself are the two I've already mentioned

1) The fact that there is no such thing as an accurate 2D map of the world... as 2D Google Maps works fine for most of it but is totally broken for the North Pole for example and 2D maps of the North Pole can work fine for a while until you get to the Southern Hemisphere where the whole thing totally breaks down as it's massively warped (as I can know very clearly myself being in the Southern Hemisphere).

2) Then with a telescope we can see the Moon and some Planets and see that we are surrounded by Globes.

I'm sure there are some more too but I'd have to think of them and it depends where the person who believes in the flat Earth is at, I don't even know what the majority are thinking in terms of a flat Earth as there is no real world map picture of it in my head and I don't know what consensus if any there exists among this community, as there are certain things we should be able to rule out first as we progress the discussion IMO. Depending on what the flat Earth person is thinking, will dictate what arguments will work and what arguments will not work, otherwise I fear I'll just be knocking down straw men half the time.

God Bless

I have a 2012 Ford Fusion that is 56.9" tall according to their specs, or 4.74 feet tall.

Plugging in 'earth curve calculator' to google and using the Omni Calculator I'd expect to see from my 5'8" vantage point the Fusion completely blocked/obscured by earth curvature at 5.7 miles.  I've considered buying a P900 but I never take photos so for one day of usage it seems a little pointless.  If anyone else has a similar set up with a camera and can video the experiment from start to finish, I'd be really interested in seeing it.

Well, the trick is that to do something like that you'd have to find a place that's PERFECTLY flat.  If the thing were on a bit of a hill or down in a bit of a dip, the results would be invalid.  I wonder if we could find some place like that, where it's perfectly level for miles.  Most of the time people try to perform these experiments over the water, which is generally going to be level, but even then you might have issues with waves compromising its perfect level-ness.  That's why the focus is on larger objects, say, viewing a building or mountain from miles away, since it would take miles for the curvature to cover something bigger than that.  Then the problem withing being miles away is that people will claim "refraction" or "mirage" or something due to the atmospheric conditions in between.

So your experiment is definitely worth doing ... IF one can find a place that's perfectly flat/level the entire way.  I've seen people use frozen lakes to conduct some experiments.