“Unfortunately, most of these YouTube videos do not supply this kind of rigorous proof/ground-truthing. 

Not true.  One can look at a map and verify the distance from the beach to the oil rig and then use the earth curvature calcs to find the feet that should be hidden.

And the origin of such videos is often hard to find. Hence why overall, I think they are highly subject to manipulation either way, and the best way to figure out questions is to do things oneself... ”

One could replicate a similar experiment in one's home area, using long distances, googlemaps and some long-range target.

One cannot use the 'eye ball test' in matters of miles and distance.  The eyes simply aren't designed as long-distance viewing devices.

Also, you continue to ignore the blatant LIE of modern science, related to the curvature (and lack thereof).  The 2nd oil rig should be barely viewable, due to the curve.

The 'eye ball test' was in relation to looking at the moon through a telescope or binoculars, can also find some planets with the telescope and you can very clearly see that we are surrounded by globes. 

I don't have to argue with you about the maths, I don't know about the maths, but I know about water, and water sits flat. In any case, I thought by using a hostile video to make my point it would help convince you but it's clearly not enough, I'd need to know what tools are available to you in which we can find ways for you to know for sure.

Binoculars or Telescope are something you could easily get, there are apps to show you when and where certain close planets will be for a telescope, then you can have a look at the Moon and Planets yourself and see that they are most certainly a globe and that we are surrounded by globes, it's rather cool too looking at the moon through a telescope... I didn't see the US flag there though lol.

God Bless 

One cannot use the 'eye ball test' in matters of miles and distance.  The eyes simply aren't designed as long-distance viewing devices.


Also, you continue to ignore the blatant LIE of modern science, related to the curvature (and lack thereof).  The 2nd oil rig should be barely viewable, due to the curve.

This is confirmation bias at work.  Poster has already concluded that the earth is a ball, so when she finds a picture where something appears to be cut off, "see, proof of globe".  Globers when posting such pictures never post the data:  location of viewer and target object, elevation of both above sea level, temperature, humidity, water conditions, etc.  There are many reasons something can appear to be cut off, from atmospheric conditions to waves to sheer distance (convergence with the horizon).  But when FEs produce pictures showing things that aren't cut off from 150 miles away when they absolutely should be hidden by miles of curvature, it's always "refraction".  So if something is not hidden when it should be, then "must be atmospheric conditions causing refraction" whereas if something appears to be cut off or partially hidden, magically there's no such thing as atmospheric conditions anymore or the possibility of refraction causing the problem.  Refraction ceases to exist in those cases but only manifests itself when there's a picture that contradicts the globe model.  This is how confirmation bias works and why I'm posting less and less.  It's a huge waste of time to argue with those who have already made up their minds on this issue.  Those who keep an open mind and go investigate almost invariably become FEs ... and even some who went to investigate the claims of FE in order to debunk it have become "converts".  Those cases speak volumes, where someone had an agenda going in to debunk but then came away convinced that FE was true.  But it's a waste of time to keep posting in response to individual who have clearly made up their minds and won't even honestly investigate the FE evidence with an open mind.

Unfortunately, most of these YouTube videos do not supply this kind of rigorous proof/ground-truthing.

Not true.  One can look at a map and verify the distance from the beach to the oil rig and then use the earth curvature calcs to find the feet that should be hidden.

Yes, you can use the map to look at distances and run calculations. This was done in part for the video in question. However,  these were not the "ground-truthing/proofing methods I was referring to; I'm afraid you've taken my quote out of context. And ideally, you want a lot more than just google maps /other map measurements and calculations, regardless of the observer's point of view or opinion on this topic. You also need to eliminate known or possible variables (as well as establish beyond a shadow of a doubt your initial location, whether by landmarks in the same video "take" or otherwise). See full quote below with regard to what I was referring to. The video did not do any of these....

1. Repeat video with better atmospheric conditions at horizon at same or similar location for several days or even weeks.

2. Run several replicates of the above video over several days (prove beyond a doubt that it is repeatable in this specific location)

3. Take photographs of each of the two specific platforms up-close (in other words, from a vessel near them), not only to prove that these really are the platforms in question, but also to see if the image changed at all between that and the footage.

4. More strongly docuмent a starting point that proves where the point of observation is. We do see part of a balcony in the zoomed-out footage, but it is impossible to prove that this is really the stated location or not.

Unfortunately, most of these YouTube videos do not supply this kind of rigorous proof/ground-truthing. And the origin of such videos is often hard to find. Hence why overall, I think they are highly subject to manipulation either way, and the best way to figure out questions is to do things oneself...

This was intended as constructive criticism for anyone making observational videos or planning to do so, regardless of their starting viewpoint.

One could replicate a similar experiment in one's home area, using long distances, googlemaps and some long-range target.

Yes, I think we would all agree that running experiments or observations (if one can)  is a worthwhile activity, provided that the observer docuмents what they are doing appropriately.

Where is Australia on this map? Can I practically use this map anywhere in reality? Sorry but this is crazy and entirely nonsensical... I think I'll just say a pray for you and call it a day. 

God Bless

I don't know about the maths, but I know about water, and water sits flat.

True indeed.  Ever check out the (various) vids of lights/laser beams being seen across lakes at 10+ miles?  Water sits flat and no curvature is detected.