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Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
« Reply #65 on: August 26, 2017, 12:34:02 PM »
Scripture on flat earth...

According to the Bible, we live in a self-contained, three-tiered system {Heaven, Earth, Underworld}:

Job 1:7-8; 2:2-3; 37:12; 38:30-34; Gen. 28:12-17; Ex. 20:4; Num. 16:31-33; Deut. 5:8; 1 Sam. 28:13-14; 1 Chron. 29:11; 2 Chron. 6:4; Psa. 46:8-10; 113:6; 119:19; Isa. 14:9-11; 51:13-14; Joel 2:30; Amos 9:2; Luke 10:15; 16:19-31; Acts 2:19; Phil. 2:10; 1 Pet. 3:18-20; 2 Pet. 2:4-5; Jude 6; Rev. 5:3, 13; 9:1-11; 20:14

There is a solid firmament (dome/vault) over us:

Job 22:14; 37:18; Gen. 1:6-8, 20; Ex. 24:10; Psa. 104:2; Prov. 8:27-28; Isa. 40:21-22; 45:12; 66:1; Jer. 10:12; 51:15; Ezek. 1:22-26; Amos 9:6

God's throne sits above the heavens (waters):

Job 9:8; 22:14; 37:18; Deut. 26:15; Psa. 11:4; 29:3, 10; 33:13; 103:19; 104:2-3; 148:4; Isa. 40:21-22; 66:1; Jer. 10:12-13; Ezek 1:22-28; 28:2; Amos 9:6

The sun, moon and stars are in the firmament {and the stars shall fall to Earth}:

Gen. 1:14-18; Psa. 19:4-6; Isa. 34:4; Dan. 8:10; Matt. 24:29; Mark 13:25; 2 Peter 3:10; Rev. 6:13-14; 9:1; 12:4

There are “floodgates” (windows) in the firmament:

Gen. 7:11; 8:2; 2 Kings 7:2-19; Mal. 3:10

The Earth is inscribed in a circular (flat) fashion into something with 4 corners and surrounded by water:

Job 11:9; 26:10-11; 37:3; 38:12-18; Gen. 1:1-9; 49:25; Psa. 24:1-2; 72:8; 136:6; Prov. 8:27-29; Isa. 11:12; 13:5; 40:22; 41:8-9; 44:24; Ezek. 7:2; Dan. 4:10-11, Zech. 9:10; Matt. 4:8; 24:31; Rev. 7:1; 20:8

Earth is a geocentric, stationary world set on pillars:

Job 26:11; 38:4-6; Josh. 10:13; Psa. 19:4-6; 75:3; 104:5; Prov. 8:29; Ecc. 1:5; 1 Sam. 2:8; 2 Sam. 22:8; Joel 2:10; Zech. 12:1

For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness. 1 Corinthians 3:19

It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man. - Psalm 118:8

It's a good idea to posts the passages from Sacred Scripture, since the globe-earthers who post on these threads don't want to take Scripture into account, regarding the shape of the earth. They prefer to obtain their information from secular sources, like NASA. 

Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
« Reply #66 on: August 26, 2017, 05:22:34 PM »
It's a good idea to posts the passages from Sacred Scripture, since the globe-earthers who post on these threads don't want to take Scripture into account, regarding the shape of the earth. They prefer to obtain their information from secular sources, like NASA.
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The Church and the Bible do not require us to disbelieve what we can see with our own eyes.
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The language used in the Bible is not precise when it comes to physical descriptions of our world, and can be understood in various ways.
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Ambiguity is the enemy of the faith as we can see when Vatican II used it to destroy tradition.
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All you have to do is observe the sun and moon every day and you can easily see their movement and appearance do not conform to a "flat-earth" model. 
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When what you read in the Bible conflicts with what you see in the sky, you must be reading the Bible incorrectly.
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That is exactly what flat-earthers are doing. They misunderstand Scripture when they incorrectly interpret flat-earthism there.
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You guys keeping up this charade of "holier-than-thou" mythology only makes you look ridiculous to anyone who is thinking about converting.
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Why would they want to be part of a bunch of nut cases and cretins?
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Ever since Galileo the enemies of the Church have attempted to accuse the Bible and the Church of being wrong, and they've got a lot of followers.
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Their principle contention was heiocentrism, but today, scientists don't adhere to that anymore.
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Even so, the schools still teach it in the classroom.
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This is a big problem they've made for themselves, and you can see it come out when they try to explain the solar eclipse.
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When asked why the moon's shadow moves from west to east, they turn themselves into knots, trying to avoid the problem they've made.
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All they have to say is the sun moves across the sky faster than the moon moves across the sky.
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Simple. That's why the moon's shadow moves from west to east, because the sun is passing up the moon.
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But then they'd have to answer questions about the sun moving in the sky when they said the sun doesn't move.
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If they were honest, all they'd have to say is to think of the earth not moving but the sun moving instead, so you can understand the eclipse.
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But they don't say that, because they still teach heliocentrism.
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They teach heliocentrism but they don't believe heliocentrism. 
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Therein lies the rub, as Shakespeare was wont to say.
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Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
« Reply #67 on: August 26, 2017, 05:27:35 PM »
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The Church and the Bible do not require us to disbelieve what we can see with our own eyes.
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The language used in the Bible is not precise when it comes to physical descriptions of our world, and can be understood in various ways.
.
Ambiguity is the enemy of the faith as we can see when Vatican II used it to destroy tradition.
.
All you have to do is observe the sun and moon every day and you can easily see their movement and appearance do not conform to a "flat-earth" model.
.
When what you read in the Bible conflicts with what you see in the sky, you must be reading the Bible incorrectly.
.
That is exactly what flat-earthers are doing. They misunderstand Scripture when they incorrectly interpret flat-earthism there.
.
You guys keeping up this charade of "holier-than-thou" mythology only makes you look ridiculous to anyone who is thinking about converting.
.
Why would they want to be part of a bunch of nut cases and cretins?
.
Ever since Galileo the enemies of the Church have attempted to accuse the Bible and the Church of being wrong, and they've got a lot of followers.
.
Their principle contention was heiocentrism, but today, scientists don't adhere to that anymore.
.
Even so, the schools still teach it in the classroom.
.
This is a big problem they've made for themselves, and you can see it come out when they try to explain the solar eclipse.
.
When asked why the moon's shadow moves from west to east, they turn themselves into knots, trying to avoid the problem they've made.
.
All they have to say is the sun moves across the sky faster than the moon moves across the sky.
.
Simple. That's why the moon's shadow moves from west to east, because the sun is passing up the moon.
.
But then they'd have to answer questions about the sun moving in the sky when they said the sun doesn't move.
.
If they were honest, all they'd have to say is to think of the earth not moving but the sun moving instead, so you can understand the eclipse.
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But they don't say that, because they still teach heliocentrism.
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They teach heliocentrism but they don't believe heliocentrism.
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Therein lies the rub, as Shakespeare was wont to say.
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Non-Catholic, which means "wrong", eisegetic principles at "play".

Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
« Reply #68 on: August 26, 2017, 05:55:51 PM »
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There is another thread today about a school in the San Francisco area (San Domenico) removing statues of Jesus, Mary and the saints in order to appear more "inclusive" to those outside the Church (not their term). It is another example of the fear of appearing at odds with popular culture being the basis for going soft on Church doctrine.
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Ironically, when it comes to the shape of the earth, flat-earthers think they are standing up to errors in popular culture to hold fast to the tradition handed down to them by the Church, and all the while, others who recognize the vagueness of Scripture in this area, comparing the reality anyone can see with their eyes, know that we are not required to disbelieve our own eyes and gullibly adopt whatever we're told by a free-lance pundit who likes to quote Scripture even when it's incorrectly interpreted. 
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Saying the earth is a spheroid does not oppose Church doctrine. The Church has never defined what the shape of the earth is. So by prancing about waving your "flat-earthism" flag for all to see you're not defending the Church, you're not doing a good work, you're not helping anyone but the atheists. So you  are actually doing harm to the Church and your are aiding and abetting the enemy. 
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The Church has never required man to believe against his own first-hand experience. We do not have to check our mind with the bursar at the door so as to displace everything we know to be true and adopt a whole new reality in some kind of fantasyland.
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This is exactly what modern-day atheists like Lawrence Krauss keep saying about Christians and "fundamentalists" who believe in God. He disrespects them and says they believe silly and patently false things all over the map, so why would their unshakable faith in God be any different?
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We only give his ilk fodder for their arsenal when we say the "earth is flat" and it's exactly the kind of thing they like to hear.
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Then flat-earthers come out with garbage like the moon is translucent and you can see stars through it, THEREFORE it must not be the moon that obscures the sun's light during a solar eclipse. There was a flat-earther here on CI who said that but now she's been missing for several months. 
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Or they say the sun isn't a "ball of hot gas" but rather it's an electric light with an electrical charge opposite to the moon's charge.
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You're giving Krauss more ammunition, and embarrassing yourself with nonsense like that.
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Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
« Reply #69 on: August 26, 2017, 11:05:30 PM »
OMG, challenger, i knew it!!!


Nope, freemasons are not behind the Challenger, the global market (and by that I mean the market that sells globes), the propagation of gas powered sun and fake planets.  Have plenty of other cօռspιʀαcιҽs to worry about on top of the pancake breakfasts, fish fries, and fundraisers.