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Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
« Reply #15 on: July 12, 2017, 04:18:49 PM »
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  • How does a flight from Australia to Chile take only 12 hours if the earth is flat? The plane would need to fly twice the speed of sound to cover the flat earth distance between the two points. The earth is a sphere.
    There is more than one model of the flat earth.  Just because we can't answer all the configuration problems doesn't mean the earth is a ball.  That's like saying, since we can't know how many clouds are in the sky at any one time, there are no clouds.  Flat earthers are humble enough to know what they don't know.  Globers know nothing and still spout 4th grade nonsense they never really understood but fully embraced and never questioned again. The facts proving earth is flat are self evident: There's no curve. Ever. Water doesn't conform to the outside of a sphere. Ships don't disappear behind a "curve". Travel instruments like astrolabes, compasses, light houses and gyroscopes do not work on a curved surface, but are entirely dependant upon level, perpendicular/horizontal or straight lines of sight.  The horizon is always horizontal to upright man and is therefore not an arc. The words sea LEVEL tell us a lot.  Elevation (based on the word level) is measured with instruments that work on a plane, not on a curve.  Sundials are quite flat so the shadow of the passing sun leaves a shadow that determines time of day and they don't work on a curved surface. NASA has lied through their teeth about the spinning, whirling, barreling earth through space.  They lied about going to the moon.  They lie when they use green screens to pretend astronauts are in space.  They lie when they send rockets out sideways (never straight up) and land them in the ocean.  NASA lies about the "planets" which have been proven to be stars, not terra firma worlds.  I've proven this personally with my own P900 camera.  With all the lying indoctrination going on from modern Big Bang atheist scientists, enriching themselves using this lie, its a wonder people continue to put faith in them.  But then, heliocentrism is a religion, proven not by empirical evidence but merely believed by false faith.  Spherical earth belongs exclusively to the pagan heliocentric paradigm.         


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    Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
    « Reply #16 on: July 12, 2017, 04:53:58 PM »
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  • I could be wrong but I almost get the impression that Flat Earthers are in reality sophisticated trollers. If they are not then I must ask how does any of this relate to the Faith? Why are you so strident in your beliefs?
    The only way to find out whether this is nonsense is to do your homework; study flat earth.  Get to know both sides of the argument.  In the meantime, flat earth is the truth, so it has everything to do with the Faith.  The Church condemned heliocentrism/spherical earth because that model was contrary to scripture.  This was well known during the Galileo Affair.  When science finally cowed the Church into silence and claimed they'd proven earth to be a moving globe, that Galileo was right, the Church has became the butt of jokes.  This put scripture and the Church in the stupid, archaic realm, totally "behind the times" and utterly mistaken. NASA and pagan science has capitalized on this skepticism of the Church, big time.  They own the microphone and speakers when it comes to the science of the world and the cosmos.  And they are gaining incredible power with the money generated by it.  In fact, heliocentric science has so empowered the Big Banger evolutionists, with the masses literally worshiping false science by pouring billions of dollars into false space programs, evolution, fake global warming endeavours, lies about dwindling resources which must necessarily be limited on an orphan planet (to the advantage of those benefiting from pretend scarce resources).  The entire paganization of earth is utterly dependant on heliocentrism/spherical earth.  The big boys running this operation don't call themselves "globalists" for nothing. The sphere itself is the basis for relativity and consequently, for lies.  After all, level isn't level, its curved.  Up isn't up, its out.  West isn't actually west, its relative.  People are upside down to each other on a globe...and yet, we're all said to be standing upright.  Such lies generate new lies and so on. Flat earth has everything to do with the world because God already told us about our world in scripture.  He described it as having a face, with a dome over it that divides the upper waters from the lower waters, that the sun and moon are lights, not worlds, that the earth has a foundation, it is set on pillars and it can never be moved. Denying what God taught in scripture, what the Catholic Fathers taught, what the Church taught, then it becomes clear, this is a matter of faith, and therefore salvation.  If you wonder why someone might lose their soul over this, remember, the world at large has abandoned what the Church taught and embraced pagan science as their religion-choice for facts.  Oh, and just try to tell them the truth!  They'll literally CRUCIFY you.  If it doesn't matter, why do they get so violent?  The fact is, it does matter.  And it is a religion to many, many people. Interestingly, it also turns out that it is also a matter of corporal life and death.  And the Satanic powers-that-be are sitting fat and happy in their Re-Creation of the world ready to scrape in all the rest of the related monies they can before pulling the plug on the economy and/or going to war to bring about their ultimate goal (because we're so overcrowded): depopulation.  
    Yep.  Flat earth matters.    


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    Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
    « Reply #17 on: July 14, 2017, 03:46:04 AM »
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  • How does a flight from Australia to Chile take only 12 hours if the earth is flat? The plane would need to fly twice the speed of sound to cover the flat earth distance between the two points. The earth is a sphere.
    Perhaps 12 hours, if those flights exist.
    Have a look at this post which is copied from ifers. (International flat earth research society)
    http://flatearthtrads.forumga.net/t97-flights-from-nz-to-a-america

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    Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
    « Reply #18 on: July 14, 2017, 03:51:13 AM »
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  • I could be wrong but I almost get the impression that Flat Earthers are in reality sophisticated trollers. If they are not then I must ask how does any of this relate to the Faith? Why are you so strident in your beliefs?
    The reason we are strident is because it is so obviously flat. There is no visible curvature and we can see objects now over the "horizon" with modern cameras, which we should not see. You just have to do the maths.

    Relation to faith?;


    "On June 22, the Holy Office formally condemns Galileo for heresy:  

    “We say, pronounce, sentence and declare that you, the said Galileo...have rendered yourself in the judgment of this Holy office vehemently suspected of heresy, namely, of having believed and held the doctrine which is false and contrary to the Sacred and Divine Scriptures, that the sun is the center of the world and does not move from east to west and that the earth moves and is not the center of the world...."

    And the rest at http://flatearthtrads.forumga.net/t60-pertinent-quotes-from-fathers-and-tradition





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    Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
    « Reply #19 on: July 14, 2017, 03:53:30 AM »
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  • Serious question- those of you who believe in Flat Earth: Do you believe that all of  the pictures from space are fake? If so, what are "they" supposedly to gain by perpetrating this hoax?
    Because, as I mentioned just now, it is so obviously not round. Get someone to deny what is front of their face, and you will get them to believe anything after that.


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    Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
    « Reply #20 on: July 15, 2017, 09:27:15 PM »
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  • I could be wrong but I almost get the impression that Flat Earthers are in reality sophisticated trollers. If they are not then I must ask how does any of this relate to the Faith? Why are you so strident in your beliefs?
    Trollers, surely, but sophisticated? Give me a break!
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    Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
    « Reply #21 on: July 15, 2017, 09:39:08 PM »
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  • The reason we are strident is because it is so obviously flat. There is no visible curvature and we can see objects now over the "horizon" with modern cameras, which we should not see. You just have to do the maths.
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    Do the maths?
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    So this means you are willing to measure the angle tomorrow between the moon and the sun until noon on the west coast (or respectively earlier from points west, such as Alaska, Hawaii, Tahiti or Australia)?
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    Or do you just say things like "do the maths" when you don't really mean what you say?
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    Tomorrow the moon sets at 12:04 pm and the Last Quarter moon occurs at 12:27 pm, UTC-7.
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    Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
    « Reply #22 on: July 15, 2017, 09:57:28 PM »
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  • Where is the link to the video or audio of Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer talking about this earth topic?
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    The only links I can find are those of responses (ridicule videos) to Fr. Pfeiffer.
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    Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
    « Reply #23 on: July 16, 2017, 08:18:11 AM »
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  • I am a sailor, and used to race sailboats.  I have two questions:
    1. Myself and another were often the fastest boats in a local racing fleet (typically two to three times faster than the others).  As we would sail away from the rest of the fleet, their boats would slowly disappear below the horizon, first the hull of the boat, then the sails, and finally the masthead.  How is this explained by a flat earth model?
    2. There is a race around the world wherein the course followed is commonly understood to be shorter closer to the attic circle.  In the flat earth model, the distance around the edge of the flat earth appears to be significantly greater than following a course closer to the capes.  How is it possible that boats sailing a greater distance closer to the edge of the flat earth are faster that boats sailing a shorter course further away from the edge of the flat earth model?
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    Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
    « Reply #24 on: July 16, 2017, 12:42:07 PM »
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  • Mr John Anthony Marie,

    Boats disappear hull first. This is true, but they remain a the same level. The mast should descend, but does not.

    Here is a video illustrating this...




    The answer why they do this is simply because objects get smaller and descend as they go further away, and there must be a point where they "merge" with the sky.

    This video gives some good illustrations explaining how this common sense principle works.
    No need to watch it all, if you don't want to. Skipping to the pictures will give you an idea of how it works.


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    Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
    « Reply #25 on: July 16, 2017, 02:50:26 PM »
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  • In the video, if all the lines are converging, how is it that the boat is immune from this same rate of converging?  I don't understand how all the lines can converge to a single vanishing point, yet the boat somehow does not behave in the same manner.  Sorry, but the explanation lacks proof.

    What about my second question?  If the flat earth is like a disk, how come boats sailing the greater distance near the edge of the disk are significantly faster than boats sailing a shorter course further away from the edge?
    Omnes pro Christo


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    Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
    « Reply #26 on: July 16, 2017, 02:57:06 PM »
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  • My observation in the first question is that the boats trailing behind don't converge to a vanishing point, but rather appear to sink into the horizon.  The same observation can be seen in greater detail with binoculars, I can actually see the trailing boats become obscured by the horizon line yet still see details of the masthead.
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    Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
    « Reply #27 on: July 17, 2017, 10:33:12 AM »
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  • Sir,

    The whole point is that boat's mast remains at the same relative level. I say relative because it is getting "smaller" as it goes away from you. If it were a globe, the mast would be descending absolutely. This very short video illustrates this even better than the one I posted earlier. The hull disappears because it is the first to be "eaten up" by the convergence.







    As for your second question; are you talking about the Vendee globe? If you look at the race route, you will see, that while it is advertised as going around the Antartic, in fact it just goes around the capes.

    I admit that this is further on a flat earth map. We are not rigidly attached to the maps, and are open to correction.

    The whole race could also be faked.

    In any case, it is a man made race, as opposed to a God-made flat horizon with no curvature. The latter always trumps.

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    Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
    « Reply #28 on: July 17, 2017, 11:31:00 AM »
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  • As for your second question; are you talking about the Vendee globe? If you look at the race route, you will see, that while it is advertised as going around the Antartic, in fact it just goes around the capes.

    I admit that this is further on a flat earth map. We are not rigidly attached to the maps, and are open to correction.

    The whole race could also be faked.

    In any case, it is a man made race, as opposed to a God-made flat horizon with no curvature. The latter always trumps.
    Thanks for your reply.  Regarding the first question, I'm going to agree to disagree with you.  I witness first hand the observations reported and those observations conflict with the explanation you are providing.  For myself, I feel it is ok to disagree in this case.

    To the second question, this response is interesting.  The course is to leave all the capes to port, so from a globalist perspective sailing around Antarctica would be the same as sailing sailing around the capes, in other words, the course is the same in either description.

    I am glad we agree that sailing a course closer to Antarctica would require covering a greater distance than sailing a course closer to the capes.  I'm going to dismiss the notion that the "whole race could be faked" in that this is pure speculation on your part and I could easily dismiss this topic in the same manner.

    The final sentence from you in the quote above is the same as comparing apples and oranges, and really doesn't advance your hypothesis in any way.

    I would like to thank you for your reply to my questions.
    Omnes pro Christo

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    Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
    « Reply #29 on: July 17, 2017, 11:53:41 AM »
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  • I have never given this subject much thought, so please excuse my ignorance. I would like to know where  the flat-earth proponents believe the ends of the flat expanse to be, what they are like, and what happens if someone attempts to go beyond them.