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Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
« on: July 11, 2017, 03:37:17 PM »
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  • Hello all,

    One of our members has been posting videos from our youtube channel, as you may have seen.

    In an official capacity, we would like to draw your attention to our video just launched a few minutes ago on Father Pfeiffer.

    We respond to his attacks on the flat earth.

    I hope the Admin of Cathinfo judges this is the right category for this. If not, we have no objection to his moving it.



    Here is the video



    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXAyclp_vwo&feature=youtu.be



    Sorry it is not embedded, but first time users seem not to be able to embed videos. Perhaps admin can make an exception?

    Offline TomGubbinsKimmage

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    Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
    « Reply #1 on: July 11, 2017, 04:05:42 PM »
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  • Interesting.

    He doesn't get it does he?


    Offline Nooseph Polten

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    Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
    « Reply #2 on: July 11, 2017, 04:11:31 PM »
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  • I'm not sure what "slaming" means
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    Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
    « Reply #3 on: July 11, 2017, 04:12:18 PM »
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  • I wrote this comment on YouTube: 

    Your video model of the flat earth cannot adequately explain lunar or solar eclipses. There are also issues with the sun's size and movement from sunrise to sunset, as well as seasonal changes, in the flat earth model. While I will not toss the flat earth model outright, I am not convinced of it, either. There are too many uncertainties.

    A relatively easy experiment is with the use of a weather type balloon, a camera, a cheap GPS tracker and a few more bits to ɾσυnd υρ a makeshift "space" camera. One can buy kits online for this experiment.

    One thing I will not accept, however, is the notion that the moon gives off its own light, which is a notion also promoted by quite a few of those who espouse the flat earth model.

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    Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
    « Reply #4 on: July 11, 2017, 04:32:42 PM »
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  • Why have sailors for millennia placed a man in the bird's nest, several yards above the deck, thus enabling him to see objects at a great distance, or more recently, the rays of a lighthouse?

    I discussed with a proponent of flat earth recently, and after getting him to admit that men's distance of vision should be the same regardless of their altitude, he was not able to explain why sailors utilize raised platforms in order to observe distant objects.

    The obvious answer is that the curvature of the earth is sufficient to inhibit a man's visibility to a certain distance where he who stands above is able to see around more of the curvature and therefore has increased visibility.


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    Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
    « Reply #5 on: July 11, 2017, 04:35:24 PM »
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  • Maybe Fr. Pfeiffer is the only priest around willing to take this on.
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    Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
    « Reply #6 on: July 11, 2017, 05:28:04 PM »
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  • I'm not sure what "slaming" means
    They misspelled "slamming."
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    For flat-earthers (who can't spell?), slamming is what anyone does who disagrees with them, regardless of the evidence they bring into the discussion.
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    Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
    « Reply #7 on: July 11, 2017, 05:49:02 PM »
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  • I wrote this comment on YouTube:

    Your video model of the flat earth cannot adequately explain lunar or solar eclipses. There are also issues with the sun's size and movement from sunrise to sunset, as well as seasonal changes, in the flat earth model. While I will not toss the flat earth model outright, I am not convinced of it, either. There are too many uncertainties.

    A relatively easy experiment is with the use of a weather type balloon, a camera, a cheap GPS tracker and a few more bits to ɾσυnd υρ a makeshift "space" camera. One can buy kits online for this experiment.

    One thing I will not accept, however, is the notion that the moon gives off its own light, which is a notion also promoted by quite a few of those who espouse the flat earth model.

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    There are issues everywhere you look.
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    Take the moon, for example. Every day the moon shows us by its appearance in the sky that the earth is spherical. But flat-earthers refuse to recognize what the moon has to offer as evidence.
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    When the moon rises in the east during a full moon phase like we just had this week, the sun is setting in the west, or has just set. As the moon moves upward to astronomical high noon in the sky, it faces us on earth with its entirely illuminated aspect, telling us that the sun is to be found directly opposite the moon on the opposite side of the earth. This direction puts the sun below our feet, not sneaking around and ABOVE the northern horizon as the flat-earthers would have it do.
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    As often as they have the opportunity to discuss the fact that at each quarter moon the angle between the sun and moon is less than one-half a degree less than 90 degrees, flat-earthers run away scared or else hurl nonsense epithets in the general direction of anyone who has considered the implications and direct consequences of this consistent marvel.
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    And take the reality of total solar eclipses. This phenomenon is so blatant and obvious that all the flat-earthers can say about it is they have no idea what causes them. Oh, so they are PREDICTABLE and HAPPEN AS PREDICTED and have been doing so for hundreds of years -- Christopher Columbus had a chart that showed when an eclipse would occur and used that to convince the ignorant natives of the islands that he knew something they didn't. 
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    Flat-earthism cannot predict eclipses, therefore Columbus and his charts were not according to flat-earthism.
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    It is a very simple matter to check the distance from earth to moon and earth to sun, and these observations alone prove that the earth is not flat, for the same dimensions are observable from the north pole to the south pole every day of the year.
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    The moon's phases are the same to any observer whether he is in northern Alaska or Tierra del Fuego, from Africa to Hawaii and from Australia to Greenland. A quarter moon is a quarter moon from every place on earth all day long, which would be impossible if the moon were only a few thousand miles above the surface of the earth.
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    There is utterly no evidence whatsoever to support flat-earthism.
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    Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
    « Reply #8 on: July 11, 2017, 06:56:59 PM »
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    Here is the reply of a patient viewer, Josh Crossley, who has a lot to learn about how disrespectful and hardened flat-earthers can be. They are on a crusade of their own imagination, and they are deeply committed to keeping dug-in to their fantasy. They have no way of explaining what they believe in a broad sense, and they have repeatedly resorted to relying on false premises upon which they build their fantasy illusion in their own minds.
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    BTW I tried to remove formatting but this new platform deletes other data and mixes the posts up so I gave up on that plan.
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    Hey guys, your video was respectful in its arguments, so I will do my best to return the sentiment.

    I don't have the time to rebut each argument, however I do care to comment on the lighthouse argument. Now, the height at which you observe the horizon will drastically alter the distance at which the curvature of the earth will "hide" far away objects. Your calculation included a viewing distance of zero feet, or the viewpoint of an ant. For a person of around 6 ft tall, the curvature will only hide closer to 110 ft of distance.

    Proof is the most important thing to you guys, and luckily I do have some very good DIY proof. Next time you're ever at the beach, lay down flat on your stomach and watch the sun set. As soon as the sun has disappeared, pop up to your feet, and you will have roughy 15min to enjoy the sunset yet again. A demonstration using a cherry picker has displayed that you can watch the sun set continuously for much longer.

    My second point is to dispute the data utilized in your analysis of the viewable lighthouse distance. We are all aware that the earth's surface, no matter what shape you believe it to be, is not perfectly even. Mountains are great proof of this. At the beach, the horizon should be more or less horizontal relative to inland areas, but do notice that the water of the ocean does not rise above the entire beach, even during high tides, nor that the shoreline is evenly distanced from the boardwalk at all points. There are inconsistencies in the topographic layout of thee earth here, and whether you FEEL that this could change your hidden horizon distance or not, this is backed by simple calculations. One simply needs to take a surveyor's toolset to the beach and spend an afternoon mapping it.

    My last point is this, and I promise I have no intention to be condescending. But within your group of flat earth believers, it would be highly beneficial for some of you to attend college to study physics, or simply learn it at home. Newtonian physics from the 17th century is very easy to grasp for the more mathematically inclined, and given the amount of work and research you've put into these theories, you could learn a decent amount of these Newtonian physics.

    Newtonian physics are not the end-all be-all of physics. Einstein's general theory of relativity represents the physical forces and energies on a cosmic scale, while quantum mechanics is a better estimation of tiny atomic forces. While even these more modern theories (QM being the most recent) cannot explain all the phenomena of our universe, they provide amazing representations that have confirmed hypothesis for many decades. Newtonian physics is much older, and while the calculations in no way apply to the cosmic scale or atomic scale, they provide a nearly perfect model of the physical forces we experience on this planet, given our specific mass and density found on most of the planet's surface, which define the calculated gravity (9.81 m/s^2).

    Seek this knowledge and you will find your enlightenment. This is the information age, you do not have to pay a college system that you feel is corrupt to learn Newtonian physics. The best part of these physics is that it not only provides specific calculations for how to nearly perfectly predict the outcome of forces and energies upon masses on this planet, but with practice you will begin to see the reason and logic of the calculations. This requires a deeper peak beneath the surface, and may only be accessed, again, by the mathematically inclined.

    I have a Bachelor's of Science in Mechanical Engineering from the University of Oklahoma, and I am a 4th year student at the University of Oklahoma College of Dentistry to obtain my doctorate of dental surgery this coming May. This will conclude my 9th year of University education towards my doctorate. What do teeth have to do with this you may ask? They provide many, MANY more applications of physics to determine which material, which design of bridge or crown, how much torque to apply to different areas of the canal to perform root canal treatment.

    I made a 35 out of 36 on the ACT and missed no questions on the Math portion of the Exam. I My bachelor's degree included 132 credit hours, and many of them were physics based, including specifically Newtonian Physics I and II, as well as modern physics to learn a bit about Einstein's theories, Quantum mechanics, and a touch of string theory. My math credentials include a perfect score of 5 out of 5 on the AP calculus exam during my senior year of high school, completing Calculus II, III, and IV (up to rocket science), as well as intro to differential equations, which can even better teach one to calculate the forces imposed by this earth on movable objects within or around its orbit.

    I've read many publications on physics from various sources, not just from OU. I used many different resources to check them against my University's teachings. I worked as a product engineer manager while simultaneously personally performing the most difficult tasks at my old company, IEC, an HVAC custom design company, for 1.5 years. I've tutored 4 semesters of Newtonian physics to 3 different students, earning them all passing grades after failing to pass without my help in explaining the various phenomena found in physics.

    I list my credentials not to brag on myself, especially because a difficult bachelor's degree and a doctorate in a medical discipline do not alone grant me credentials, but I simply wish for you to trust me. If you have any further inquiries I can assure you that I can answer them. Please use me as you're expert of analysis until you or a closer acquaintance investigate this centuries-old science more yourselves.

    Please keep an open mind, and I hope you will find peace in the fact that in this case, there is no such grand theory plotting against us civilians. The world is often not as cruel as we may imagine. And keep in mind that Newtonian physics alone proved the theory of a spherical (well, more elliptical, due to it's heavy centripetal forces about it's axis of rotation) earth, and this was in the 17th century during Isaac Newton's lifetime in 17th century England. A cօռspιʀαcʏ with 350 years of secrecy is extremely far fetched for me to believe. But of course my mind contains the knowledge I need to assure myself of the certainty of a round earth. I hope to fill your minds with this information as well.

    And for any of the younger viewers, worry not about necessary proof always seeming unobtainable, as space exploration vessels will offer trips to civilians within our lifetime. It is here that you may all experience the round earth yourselves. Until then, all you have is your science, and I challenge you to seek true knowledge, and accept that our individual perspectives and understanding of our existence are often not to be trusted. It is only with hard data and measurement, using more reliable methods than pixel counting without physical topography of the area, for example, that we can obtain proof only inside our minds, which we have been gifted to use with boundless potential to envision the world in which we exist. Good luck in your search, and please learn that on occasion, trust in others can be more valuable that trust in oneself. We are a civilization, committed to the good of all men, regardless of what our governments and corporate rulers may desire.

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    Absolutely brilliant post but I'm a little disappointed you didn't tell him the azimuthal map is actually a globe and that explains why it fits so very well. I'm a little concerned that people can live in three dimensions but only think in two.

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    Josh Crossley I never see that. You have good clarification and reasoning. Good job bro
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    Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
    « Reply #9 on: July 12, 2017, 01:46:28 AM »
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  • Interesting.

    He doesn't get it does he?
    Father Pfeiffer has an opinion.  That's it.  He proves he knows very little about either model in his presentation.  You can tell that a lot of his answers are made up out of thin air.   

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    Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
    « Reply #10 on: July 12, 2017, 04:08:52 AM »
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  • Why have sailors for millennia placed a man in the bird's nest, several yards above the deck, thus enabling him to see objects at a great distance, or more recently, the rays of a lighthouse?

    I discussed with a proponent of flat earth recently, and after getting him to admit that men's distance of vision should be the same regardless of their altitude, he was not able to explain why sailors utilize raised platforms in order to observe distant objects.

    The obvious answer is that the curvature of the earth is sufficient to inhibit a man's visibility to a certain distance where he who stands above is able to see around more of the curvature and therefore has increased visibility.


    This does not "prove" the curvature at all.

    It must be measured against all the evidence showing a manifest lack of curvature.
    http://flatearthtrads.forumga.net/f9-flat-earth-proofs

    Once you can accept this lack of curvature, then, and only then can you proceed to explain why you can see objects further away when you go higher.

    It is a circular logic and a system that you will never be able to get out of, if you think that seeing objects further away from higher up can only be explained by a curved earth. The pin to burst that bubble is in the link I gave.

    By the way, here is the video above which should be embedded for those who don't want to bother going to youtube.




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    Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
    « Reply #11 on: July 12, 2017, 04:21:02 AM »
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  • Serious question- those of you who believe in Flat Earth: Do you believe that all of  the pictures from space are fake? If so, what are "they" supposedly to gain by perpetrating this hoax?

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    Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
    « Reply #12 on: July 12, 2017, 01:29:10 PM »
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  • Serious question- those of you who believe in Flat Earth: Do you believe that all of  the pictures from space are fake? If so, what are "they" supposedly to gain by perpetrating this hoax?
    NASA readily admits their pictures are not actual pictures or photos, but are renderings, cgi images and photoshopped. Yes, all of them.  By NASA's own admission.  Photoshopped images have characteristics when layers are used.  NASA's images often reveal cut and paste overlays.  NASA employees who work on the renderings admit they build images like "The Blue Marble" from 'ribbons of information' or literally paint them themselves. NASA uses green screen technology and harnesses to fake the buoyant astronauts in the ISS.  Here's how they do it:    https://youtu.be/V-Y6CvkEHvc
    What are they to gain for lying?  Well, you know the old saying that lies enslave, right?  This is a monumental lie that permits the perpetrators to rule the world.  It's all about money and control. (Consider NASA's 20 billion dollar yearly budget) They also do it so they can more easily make laws regarding conservation, raise taxes in the name of..., promote fear of aliens, global warming and manufactured divisions between peoples that wind up costing us both financially and spiritually in the name of protecting the scarce resources of an orphan planet.  Ultimately, they use it to hide God.  
        

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    Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
    « Reply #13 on: July 12, 2017, 03:39:50 PM »
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  • NASA readily admits their pictures are not actual pictures or photos, but are renderings, cgi images and photoshopped. Yes, all of them.  By NASA's own admission.  Photoshopped images have characteristics when layers are used.  NASA's images often reveal cut and paste overlays.  NASA employees who work on the renderings admit they build images like "The Blue Marble" from 'ribbons of information' or literally paint them themselves. NASA uses green screen technology and harnesses to fake the buoyant astronauts in the ISS.  Here's how they do it:    https://youtu.be/V-Y6CvkEHvc
    What are they to gain for lying?  Well, you know the old saying that lies enslave, right?  This is a monumental lie that permits the perpetrators to rule the world.  It's all about money and control. (Consider NASA's 20 billion dollar yearly budget) They also do it so they can more easily make laws regarding conservation, raise taxes in the name of..., promote fear of aliens, global warming and manufactured divisions between peoples that wind up costing us both financially and spiritually in the name of protecting the scarce resources of an orphan planet.  Ultimately, they use it to hide God.  
        
    How does a flight from Australia to Chile take only 12 hours if the earth is flat? The plane would need to fly twice the speed of sound to cover the flat earth distance between the two points. The earth is a sphere.

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    Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
    « Reply #14 on: July 12, 2017, 04:12:45 PM »
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  • I could be wrong but I almost get the impression that Flat Earthers are in reality sophisticated trollers. If they are not then I must ask how does any of this relate to the Faith? Why are you so strident in your beliefs?


     

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