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Re: Enoch, Church Fathers and the Giants of Genesis
« Reply #90 on: August 20, 2022, 03:41:12 PM »
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    • Quote from: DigitalLogos on August 20, 2022, 11:24:21 AM
    Here's what I quoted.
    Thank you DL. I found it in my copy.
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    Re: Enoch, Church Fathers and the Giants of Genesis
    « Reply #91 on: August 20, 2022, 04:21:08 PM »
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    • Here is the Book of Enoch
    R. H. Charles Version (Audiobook with Synchronized Text)

    https://www.bitchute.com/video/AufB6jVm8cV2/
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    Re: Enoch, Church Fathers and the Giants of Genesis
    « Reply #92 on: August 28, 2022, 11:29:34 AM »
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    • I've been reading the Books of Enoch and came across this in the Parables of Enoch, 69:4;


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    4. The name of the first Jeqôn: that is, the one who led astray ⌈all⌉ the sons of God, and brought them down to the earth, and led them astray through the daughters of men. 5. And the second was named Asbeêl: he imparted to the holy sons of God evil counsel, and led them astray so that they defiled their bodies with the daughters of men.

    Which supports the notion that sons of God in Gen. 6:4 is referring to the sons of Seth. Where it appears here that these angels possessed these women (correlating with the visions of Anne Catherine Emmerich) and then proceeded to seduce the sons of God, which were holy men, in this context, not angels, to defile these women.

    Another passage of note is the following, which supports the idea that what we see today is exactly what these angels brought to corrupt mankind in those "days of Noe":

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    12. And the fifth was named Kâsdejâ: this is he who showed the children of men all the wicked smitings of spirits and demons, and the smitings of the embryo in the womb, that it may pass away, and [the smitings of the soul] the bites of the serpent, 

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    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: Enoch, Church Fathers and the Giants of Genesis
    « Reply #93 on: August 28, 2022, 01:58:28 PM »
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    • Quote from: DigitalLogos on August 28, 2022, 11:29:34 AM
    I've been reading the Books of Enoch and came across this in the Parables of Enoch, 69:4;


    Which supports the notion that sons of God in Gen. 6:4 is referring to the sons of Seth. Where it appears here that these angels possessed these women (correlating with the visions of Anne Catherine Emmerich) and then proceeded to seduce the sons of God, which were holy men, in this context, not angels, to defile these women.

    Another passage of note is the following, which supports the idea that what we see today is exactly what these angels brought to corrupt mankind in those "days of Noe":

    I'm not sure that leading them astray through the daughters of mean means that they possessed them or just that they used them to corrupt the sons of God.

    In the passage right after what you bolded "led astray [all the sons of God]", it says "and brought the down to the earth".  Were these sons of Seth living up above the earth somehow?
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    Re: Enoch, Church Fathers and the Giants of Genesis
    « Reply #94 on: August 28, 2022, 02:04:21 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on August 28, 2022, 01:58:28 PM
    I'm not sure that leading them astray through the daughters of mean means that they possessed them or just that they used them to corrupt the sons of God.

    In the passage right after what you bolded "led astray [all the sons of God]", it says "and brought the down to the earth".  Were these sons of Seth living up above the earth somehow?
    I forget where I read it, but there's a belief that Eden was on top of a mountain before the Flood and the sons of Seth lived on it near the Garden while those of Cain went to the lands below. Hence the likely embellishment of these memories into the "holy mountain" where the gods dwell, such as Olympus.
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    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: Enoch, Church Fathers and the Giants of Genesis
    « Reply #95 on: May 21, 2023, 08:07:20 PM »
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    • Very interesting thread. I wonder if there is any more information that has come to light since the last post.
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    Re: Enoch, Church Fathers and the Giants of Genesis
    « Reply #96 on: May 21, 2023, 11:35:44 PM »
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    • This is a very interesting thread regarding the giants.

    It indicates they may have been born by cesarean??

    I always wondered about that.

    https://twitter.com/Ste87italy/status/1660322476897837065
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    Re: Enoch, Church Fathers and the Giants of Genesis
    « Reply #97 on: May 22, 2023, 03:18:02 PM »
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    • One take is that several legions of fallen devils (giants) possessed men to sleep with the women.  Men can be actively or passively possessed.  We often in language supplant the figure for the reality, or the reality for the figure.  We call St. Thomas the "Angel of the Schools."  But he is not an angel.  Christ in Holy Writ is referred to as an Angel.

    I remember reading Brownson and he attempted to explain dark people.  He said that the third son of Noah, Ham, traveled furthest from the Ark, into Africa, where the people turned into a darker color.  Promote this theory at your next biblical conference!
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    Re: Enoch, Church Fathers and the Giants of Genesis
    « Reply #98 on: May 22, 2023, 06:36:56 PM »
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    • Quote from: OABrownson1876 on May 22, 2023, 03:18:02 PM
    One take is that several legions of fallen devils (giants) possessed men to sleep with the women.  Men can be actively or passively possessed.  We often in language supplant the figure for the reality, or the reality for the figure.  We call St. Thomas the "Angel of the Schools."  But he is not an angel.  Christ in Holy Writ is referred to as an Angel.

    I remember reading Brownson and he attempted to explain dark people.  He said that the third son of Noah, Ham, traveled furthest from the Ark, into Africa, where the people turned into a darker color.  Promote this theory at your next biblical conference!
    I thought it was because of the curse..
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    Re: Enoch, Church Fathers and the Giants of Genesis
    « Reply #99 on: May 22, 2023, 11:35:45 PM »
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    • Quote from: Miser Peccator on May 21, 2023, 11:35:44 PM
    This is a very interesting thread regarding the giants.

    It indicates they may have been born by cesarean??

    I always wondered about that.

    https://twitter.com/Ste87italy/status/1660322476897837065

    Or they just grew more quickly after birth.  Even in modern times, we have had people who have been extraordinarily tall, and yet they were born normal size.  Hard to say.  Generally, they just grow very quickly due to high excretion of HGH (human growth hormone) ... often attributed to a disorder of the pituitary gland, but perhaps a (non-abnormal?) genetic disposition for the same could have led to the giants of old.

    Tallest recorded man in recent times was about 8'11"
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