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Re: Enoch, Church Fathers and the Giants of Genesis
« Reply #40 on: August 18, 2022, 04:21:35 PM »
We have examples in Scripture where good angels took human form.  a) the Angel and Tobias, b) the 2 angels who came to see Lot in Sodom/Gomorrah, c) the Angel Gabriel to Our Lady, d) the 2 Angels at the Tomb of Christ on Easter, etc etc. 


I think God allowed many different things in the pre-Flood days than post-Flood.  We know he gave men super-long lifetimes of 100s of years, and (presumably) more strength and intelligence.  (Probably why God gave them agriculture and manual labor tasks - because they needed the preoccupation of work to stay busy.)  We also know that pre-Flood men didn't drink (alcohol wasn't invented) nor did they eat animal flesh.  So why couldn't angels act differently as well?

Post flood, men's lives were greatly shortened, they ate animal flesh and drank alcohol because of their loss of strength.  And angels?  They were, according to Enoch (and repeated by St Peter and St Jude in Scripture) chained "in darkness", as a punishment for their sins, until the judgement.  Scripture does not say they were chained IN HELL, but "in darkness" (meaning... they are chained somewhere on earth?)  That's how I take it.

1.  It explains why all the elites go down to Antarctica - to see their demon gods.  A protestant writer analyzed where Enoch described the "mountains underground" where the demons were chained.  Enoch described the geography where he was taken to see this underground prison.  He described the land having 3 mountains all in a row, with some other earth features.  This protestant found only 1 place on earth where such a description matches...Antarctica.  If true, does this explain a lot!

2.  Demons being chained underground also explains the Apocalypse and CERN.  Because in Apoc ch9, with the 5th trumpet, it describes the "bottomless pit" being opened, the king of which is named, in greek, Apollyon.  Now in greek, Apollyon means "destruction".  And outside of the CERN scientific headquarters is a huge statue of the hindu god, Shiva, who is the god of...destruction.  (Coincidence, i'm sure).

CERN is also located in a place in Roman times called "Appolliacuм" (there's that destruction word again and another coincidence) and it was known to be a "gateway to the underworld"CERN is said to be using its particle machine, among many other things, to create black holes in order to enter other dimensions.  Black holes are called by scientists as "bottomless pits" of gravity. (another coincidence?)

https://www.rt.com/op-ed/313922-cern-collider-hadron-higgs/
https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/cern-looking-for-god-particle-or-opening-portals-of-hell/
I think you are on to something Pax.

Remember the occult ritual at CERN which included a "staged human sacrifice"?
CERN PR people said some people "just got carried away."
Only CERN employees are allowed into the facility, so evidently CERN staff got carried away.
‘Human sacrifice’ staged at Cern, home of the God Particle

https://www.eyeopeningtruth.com/cern-human-sacrifice-to-shiva-follow-up/


A human sacrifice has been staged in the grounds of the European Organisation for Nuclear Research, the home of the God Particle.
A video circulating online shows hooded figures apparently engaging in a ritual, staged under a huge statue of a Hindu deity, at the end of which a woman is stabbed.
But the footage appears to have been recorded as part of a prank by scientists at Europe’s top physics lab, which serves as the home of the Lagre Hadron Collider. The identity and motives of those behind the video hasn’t yet been discovered.
In the footage itself, multiple people are shown wearing long, flowing black robes – and one appears to have hiking boots on underneath. They are depicted walking around, before a woman moves onto the floor and is apparently stabbed.


As that happens, the person who is supposedly recording the video appears to react – firing out expletives and apparently running away, which causes the camera to move away from the scene before it is cut off.
The ceremony took place under the large states of the Hindu deity Shiva, which permanently stands at the complex. In both the video and real life, it is lit from below – which means that a huge shadow is cast across the building behind.
The Shiva statue was a “gift from India to celebrate its association with Cern”, according to the institution’s website.
“This deity was chosen by the Indian government because of a metaphor that was drawn between the cosmic dance of the Nataraj and the modern study of the ‘cosmic dance’ of subatomic particles,” the organisation says on a website unrelated to the prank. “India is one of CERN’s observer states, along with the USA, Russia and Japan.
A Cern spokesperson confirmed that the video had been filmed there, but said that it had been made without permission or knowledge. Cern said that it doesn’t “condone this type of spoof” because it can “give rise to misunderstandings about the scientific nature of our work”.
It’s far from the first time that scientific work has been associated with the occult or the mystical. Because of the highly-specialised – and often terrifying – work that goes on at Cern, it has become a haven of speculation for conspiracy theorists and anxious people.
Many have suggested that the Large Hadron Collider could bring about a black hole in the Earth, or that something is going on there that would allow people to access new forms of power that would be wielded against the Earth. Others still have said that the work might open a portal to another dimension – an apparent extrapolation from the fact that the work going on there might allow scientists to test theories about the presence of other dimensions.
Others have claimed that Cern’s work is meant to prove that God doesn’t exist, another claim that the institution has been forced to rebut on its website.
“People from all over the world work together harmoniously at CERN, representing all regions, religions and cultures,” an FAQ page says. “CERN exists to understand the mystery of nature for the benefit of humankind.
“Scientists at CERN use the world’s largest and most complex scientific instruments to study the basic constituents of matter – the fundamental particles. Particles are made to collide together at close to the speed of light. This process gives the physicists clues about how the particles interact, and provides insights into the fundamental laws of nature.”
The campus has a range of security measures, ensuring that everyone on the grounds is either an official scientist or a visitor – and those involved in the ceremony appear to have had their ID checked. Cern hasn’t said who took part in the prank, but the woman at least does appear to be identifiable in the footage.
“People from all over the world work together harmoniously at CERN, representing all regions, religions and cultures,” an FAQ page says. “CERN exists to understand the mystery of nature for the benefit of humankind.
Many of those people come from around the world to the site, to partake in scientific work or to speak with people who are doing so. A Cern spokesperson appeared to blame such people, saying that “some of them let their humour go too far”.



Re: Enoch, Church Fathers and the Giants of Genesis
« Reply #41 on: August 18, 2022, 04:38:43 PM »
I'm not sure there's a difference between the "holy angels" which is Augustine's term for them, and "beatified angels" which is the term applied to them by St. Thomas.  In other words, none sinned. The distinction is that they are angels who maintained their holiness as opposed to those who didn't.  I'm not suggesting angels merit heaven either, because they were created already blessed and maintained that through their trial, however, some willingly work to help men for love of God and possibly gain extra glory when the time comes? 
I recall a +Ripperger conference (probably referencing St. Thomas) where he mentioned that at the first few moments of their creation, the angels were given a choice of whether or not they will accept their mission (such as Guardian angels). Those that fell are the ones who rejected it, through pride and envy, and those who accepted were given the beatific vision which can only come through charity.

Given that angels do not need to know things through discursive reasoning (https://aquinas.cc/la/en/~ST.I.Q58.A3.SC), like men, there is no reason to believe that they would have to complete their mission before attaining beatitude. As by focusing at it they come to immediate and complete understanding of an object (contingent upon their capacity). Therefore, by accepting, say, to become my guardian angel, they are already assenting entirely to the end of that mission; and therefore, even if I fail to attain salvation, they will not have failed in their mission because they did everything in their power pertaining to it. If that makes sense.

So the only thing I could see happening here when it comes to merit is that they may receive more glory in heaven, but they can't really lose beatitude once they've accepted their mission. Therefore, this idea that the Watchers, as angelic minds, were given a mission but then turned away from it, doesn't really make sense to me.

As for the fallen angels who "sinned with women", not even that is possible since, Thomas says, "The demons do not delight in the obscenities of the sins of the flesh, as if they themselves were disposed to carnal pleasures."
Yeah, evidence here is pointing right back to the "sons of God" being either the sons of Seth, or something else entirely.


Re: Enoch, Church Fathers and the Giants of Genesis
« Reply #42 on: August 18, 2022, 04:46:27 PM »
1.  It explains why all the elites go down to Antarctica - to see their demon gods.  A protestant writer analyzed where Enoch described the "mountains underground" where the demons were chained.  Enoch described the geography where he was taken to see this underground prison. 
Yes, numerous elites have been to Antarctica. If you place an object on a table to represent the North Pole, and walk around the table in a circle, your hypothetical magnet would continue to point toward the "north pole."

Which means if you use your imaginary compass to figure out south -- that would be the direction continually pointing away from the object on the table, in a circle. In FE theory, the North Pole is at the center of the circle of the earth and the Ice Rim surrounding the circle of the earth is Antartica.

Interestingly, all the constallations revolve around the North Star.

This contracdicts globe theory which says the earth is spinning on its axis, also spinning around the sun, also spinning around in the galaxy. If that were true, we wouldn't be seeing the same stars revolving around the North Star, we'd be seeing different galaxies.


Re: Enoch, Church Fathers and the Giants of Genesis
« Reply #43 on: August 18, 2022, 04:57:35 PM »
I have not read the Book of Enoch.
I found this synopsis:

 
Since the translation of the Book of Enoch from the ancient texts discovered in Ethiopia in 1768, it has created a stir in the history of mankind that has been told for years. The Book of Enoch tells the story of the Fallen Angels called the Nephilims or the Anunnaki, it is attributed to Enoch, the great-grandfather of Noah.
It is widely accepted that several copies of the Book of Enoch were discovered in 1948 among the Dead Sea Scrolls, ancient Jєωιѕн and Hebrew religious manuscripts. It was discovered in seaside caves near an ancient settlement called Qumran. It is believed there are stories that have great similarities to Ancient Sumer.
The book consists of five quite distinct major sections:
1. The one which with the evil deeds of the Fallen Angels or Nephilims, also known as ‘the Watchers’ with Earthlings.
2. The Parables which explain the Judgment of The Fallen Angel Watchers and the Great deluge as punishment for the evil works of The Fallen Angels;
3. The Book Of Luminaries which contains accurate Astronomical data on the motions of the Sun, Moon, and Stars including the calculation of the lunar year of 364 days and why an additional year must be added after 4 years;
4. The Book of Visions on the past and future of Human destiny under the oppressive system of Divine Kings;
5. A final Apocalypse in which the righteous will be delivered from the wicked by the Son of Man or Messiah in the era after the Flood.

Enoch was the great great grandfather of Noah, the seventh generation of humans after Adam. Because of his rightfulness, he was chosen by God to do his bidding and deliver his words, particularly after the Earth became corrupt due to the irresponsible deeds of a superior order of angels with striking human appearance, also referred to as “The Watchers.”
Enoch was the messenger of God, and the one to receive his knowledgeable words and spread them across the land. In the end, he was taken by God into his kingdom, thus escaping his earthly demise that would sooner or later be upon him.
“After he became the father of Methuselah, Enoch walked faithfully with God 300 years and had other sons and daughters. Altogether, Enoch lived a total of 365 years. Enoch walked faithfully with God; then he was no more, because God took him away. By faith Enoch was taken from this life, so that he did not experience death: ‘He could not be found, because God had taken him away. For before he was taken, he was commended as one who pleased God’.” [Hebrews 11:5]



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Re: Enoch, Church Fathers and the Giants of Genesis
« Reply #44 on: August 18, 2022, 05:25:35 PM »
Yes, numerous elites have been to Antarctica. If you place an object on a table to represent the North Pole, and walk around the table in a circle, your hypothetical magnet would continue to point toward the "north pole."

Which means if you use your imaginary compass to figure out south -- that would be the direction continually pointing away from the object on the table, in a circle. In FE theory, the North Pole is at the center of the circle of the earth and the Ice Rim surrounding the circle of the earth is Antartica.

Interestingly, all the constallations revolve around the North Star.

This contracdicts globe theory which says the earth is spinning on its axis, also spinning around the sun, also spinning around in the galaxy. If that were true, we wouldn't be seeing the same stars revolving around the North Star, we'd be seeing different galaxies.


According to the model of the universe used by modern science, the motion of the earth is too subtle to make any noticeable change in the constellations, and we move much too slowly around the galaxy to notice any changes. Supposedly it takes 225-250 million years to make one revolution around the galaxy.