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Title: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: MyrnaM on October 08, 2017, 09:21:41 AM
This morning when I was speaking and thinking, praying, I ask God to show me how to prove to Catholics who believed in the flat earth that they are wrong.  And He did!

I was given to search for DETAILS OF the story of the Miraculous Medal and found this.  

The Blessed Virgin herself tell us the world is a globe.  For she is the designer of the medal.



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Saint) Catherine Labouré  Vision


Mary gave her this mission in a vision during evening meditation on November 27, 1830. She saw Mary standing on what seemed to be half a globe and holding a golden globe in her hands as if offering it to heaven. On the globe was the word “France,” and our Lady explained that the globe represented the whole world, but especially France.


Streaming from rings on Mary's fingers as she held the globe were many rays of light.



Read the story yourself.

Read the details of the Vision (http://www.amm.org/aboutamm/miraculous%20medal%20story.aspx)


And another link here:  
Half globe yes, but read on ...   https://www.olrl.org/lives/laboure.shtml
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: Meg on October 08, 2017, 09:40:40 AM
This morning when I was speaking and thinking, praying, I ask God to show me how to prove to Catholics who believed in the flat earth that they are wrong.  And He did!

I was given to search for DETAILS OF the story of the Miraculous Medal and found this.  

The Blessed Virgin herself tell us the world is a globe.  For she is the designer of the medal.




Read the story yourself.

Read the details of the Vision (http://www.amm.org/aboutamm/miraculous%20medal%20story.aspx)


And another link here:  
Half globe yes, but read on ...   https://www.olrl.org/lives/laboure.shtml

So, you're in direct contact with God and you were given these details. Do you speak in tongues too?
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: MyrnaM on October 08, 2017, 09:47:18 AM
Meg wants me to apologize for praying to God ...  :facepalm:
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: Meg on October 08, 2017, 09:53:47 AM
Meg wants me to apologize for praying to God ...  :facepalm:

Do you speak in tongues? I think it's a fair question.
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: DZ PLEASE on October 08, 2017, 09:54:05 AM
Meg wants me to apologize for praying to God ...  :facepalm:
Maybe she's sincere; it's hard to gauge tone sometimes. 

Okay it's unlikely, but it's better to suffer injustice than inflict it.
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: Meg on October 08, 2017, 10:09:40 AM
She said she was "given to search for details", not that she was given details.

I realize that you sedevacantists like to stick together and support each other, but....

Notice that she didn't answer the question about whether or not she speaks in tongues.
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: DZ PLEASE on October 08, 2017, 10:10:44 AM
Notice that she didn't answer the question about whether or not she speaks in tongues.
Did she claim this?
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: St Ignatius on October 08, 2017, 10:13:42 AM
I realize that you sedevacantists like to stick together and support each other, but....

Notice that she didn't answer the question about whether or not she speaks in tongues.
Are you serious? 

BTW, I'm not "Sede..."
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: Meg on October 08, 2017, 10:19:55 AM
Are you serious?

BTW, I'm not "Sede..."

I am serious. I've dealt with enough charismatics on the Catholics Answers forum to know the lingo. Of course she may not speak in tongues. It would be nice to have a clarification from her though.

I said that MOST of the posters here are ill-tempered sedevacantists. There are a few ill-tempered forum members (such as yourself) who are not sedevacantists. Duh.
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: DZ PLEASE on October 08, 2017, 10:22:43 AM
Whatever she is, at least she's not a flaming ... shrew. 
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: St Ignatius on October 08, 2017, 10:29:56 AM
I am serious. I've dealt with enough charismatics on the Catholics Answers forum to know the lingo. Of course she may not speak in tongues. It would be nice to have a clarification from her though.

I said that MOST of the posters here are ill-tempered sedevacantists. There are a few ill-tempered forum members (such as yourself) who are not sedevacantists. Duh.
Ill-tempered... well, maybe at times...
Although, I don't think I'm the one here who's lost a reasonable perspective on things being posted here, it appears to me you are the who's flustered and confused...
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: MyrnaM on October 08, 2017, 10:37:13 AM
Just to satisfy Meg, I am not a charismatic, and God hears me in my own native English, no need to speak any other.  

I think you started this to turn this thread away from the original OP of which it is intended.  Your original note here had nothing to do with my OP in fact your post it seems to me was a deliberate attempt to change the story.

It is my hope now that anyone reading this will reply about the miraculous medal, and your attempt to change the subject will die out.    I have always been suspicious that you were a shill and now my suspicions have grown stronger in that respect. At one time I made comment that you were "on the clock", if you remember.  I am not charismatic, are you a decoy, Meg?

Excuse me if I am wrong but I thought Catholics believed in prayer, talking to God, hoping for an inspiration, an answer to prayers.  Catholics do believe these things, but shills do not.  
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: Meg on October 08, 2017, 10:38:38 AM
Ill-tempered... well, maybe at times...
Although, I don't think I'm the one here who's lost a reasonable perspective on things being posted here, it appears to me you are the who's flustered and confused...

Flustered, maybe; confused, no.

My perspective is that Bishop Fellay has nothing to worry about in regards to the so-called "Resistance," if this forum is any indication of the quality of people who support the Resistance. In this case, the Resistance, IMO, has no viable future.

It is a movement of sedevacantists and other misfits, and little else.
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: DZ PLEASE on October 08, 2017, 10:41:00 AM
What if Myrna is telling the truth? It seems prudent to tread carefully either way.
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: Meg on October 08, 2017, 10:42:29 AM
What if Myrna is telling the truth? It seems prudent to tread carefully either way.

You mention Prudence, yet you are one of the most imprudent of sede posters here. Hypocrisy. 
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: DZ PLEASE on October 08, 2017, 10:42:55 AM
It is a movement of sedevacantists and other misfits, and little else.
I suppose if you had even the slightest notion of just how profoundly ignorant you are, then you wouldn't be so.
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: Tradplorable on October 08, 2017, 10:44:28 AM
There is no globe anywhere in the Bible.
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: DZ PLEASE on October 08, 2017, 10:48:05 AM
There is no globe anywhere in the Bible.
Isn't it time for Jeopardy or K-mart or something?
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: Student of Qi on October 08, 2017, 10:59:07 AM
Flustered, maybe; confused, no.

My perspective is that Bishop Fellay has nothing to worry about in regards to the so-called "Resistance," if this forum is any indication of the quality of people who support the Resistance. In this case, the Resistance, IMO, has no viable future.

It is a movement of sedevacantists and other misfits, and little else.
You are a very presumptuous person, Meg. In total, today there has been a maximum of 118 people on this site today and at the moment only 8 of them  are posters who are logged in. With such a high traffic of lurkers and an insignifican number of people who bother to write posts, to use maybe 2 or 3 posters you argue with as the epitome of what sort comprise the "Resistance" is very very very very presumptuous. It's like attempting to paint a rainbow with only one colour. You don't know what sort of people the lurkers are or what positions they hold, and you can't unless they tell you.

I like to think posters here are sincere and all well meaning...  but your presumption has made me lose some respect for you. It's not very mature for an adult who wishes to present themselves as being reasonable to just dish out condemnations without knowing anything about the entity being accused.

How many Resistance chapels have you been to, Meg? This is a fair question. I've been to 4 across the U.S. so far.
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: Tradplorable on October 08, 2017, 11:00:18 AM

Excuse me if I am wrong but I thought Catholics believed in prayer, talking to God, hoping for an inspiration, an answer to prayers.  Catholics do believe these things, but shills do not.  
Catholics believe in the Bible and Tradition, it has primacy over private Revelation.
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This leaves Myrna with a little problem:
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Nowhere in Scripture or Tradition is the earth mentioned to be a globe.
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It is, however, mentioned to be a circle, a compass, and enclosed by a Firmament.
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If one were to illustrate this Biblical design, one would NOT get the globe as shown by atheist scientists in every classroom. No, the Biblical globus crucifer, looks nothing at all like the globe-earth of atheistic science.
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This is a very important distinction, which Myrna has FAILED to make.
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I would assume the seer was a globe earth believer because she was indoctrinated that way from birth, as are all modern era people, since the 17th century forward. I highly doubt the seer would have made the distinction between the globus crucifer she was shown in the apparition and the globe earth of her school days.
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: MyrnaM on October 08, 2017, 11:00:42 AM
There is no globe anywhere in the Bible.
The Blessed Virgin herself tell us the world is a globe.  For she is the designer of the medal.

Read the story yourself.

Read the details of the Vision (http://www.amm.org/aboutamm/miraculous%20medal%20story.aspx)


And another link here:  
Half globe yes, but read on ...   https://www.olrl.org/lives/laboure.shtml

Tradplorable do you have a devotion to the Blessed Mother?  Traditional Catholics do.

The seer is a canonized Saint with an incorruptible body.  Do you wear a miraculous medal, if not, you should?  
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: MyrnaM on October 08, 2017, 11:05:23 AM
You are a very presumptuous person, Meg. In total, today there has been a maximum of 118 people on this site today and at the moment only 8 of them  are posters who are logged in. With such a high traffic of lurkers and an insignifican number of people who bother to write posts, to use maybe 2 or 3 posters you argue with as the epitome of what sort comprise the "Resistance" is very very very very presumptuous. It's like attempting to paint a rainbow with only one colour. You don't know what sort of people the lurkers are or what positions they hold, and you can't unless they tell you.

I like to think posters here are sincere and all well meaning...  but your presumption has made me lose some respect for you. It's not very mature for an adult who wishes to present themselves as being reasonable to just dish out condemnations without knowing anything about the entity being accused.

How many Resistance chapels have you been to, Meg? This is a fair question. I've been to 4 across the U.S. so far.
Again both Trad and Meg are doing their best to change the subject.  It is so obvious.

I haven't proven anything but the Blessed Mother proved by her DESIGN, the world is A GLOBE, at least to Catholics.  
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: Student of Qi on October 08, 2017, 11:07:39 AM
I would assume the seer was a globe earth believer because she was indoctrinated that way from birth, as are all modern era people, since the 17th century forward. I highly doubt the seer would have made the distinction between the globus crucifer she was shown in the apparition and the globe earth of her school days.
Maybe that means St. Catharine Labouré is now in Hell for believing in a globe Earth and delusions that the Mother of God told her the globe represents the world (which does not necessarily mean the Earth?) And especially France. Maybe all the conversions and miracles were phoney and the histories forged by those diabolical Jesuits?
Who knows, maybe all private revelations are people who unknowingly had something other then Kool-Aid in their water?


By the way, I've worn the Miraculous Medal for years so that I can't even remember when I first put it on. So, yes, I am more inclined to Mrs. Myrna's side on this particular subject.
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: Tradplorable on October 08, 2017, 11:10:10 AM
nor is there flat
A circle is, obviously, flat. There are only two dimensions. You cannot draw a "ball" with a compass. God said He used a compass. You cannot just wish that fact away.
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: Meg on October 08, 2017, 11:12:16 AM
Just to satisfy Meg, I am not a charismatic, and God hears me in my own native English, no need to speak any other.  

I think you started this to turn this thread away from the original OP of which it is intended.  Your original note here had nothing to do with my OP in fact your post it seems to me was a deliberate attempt to change the story.

It is my hope now that anyone reading this will reply about the miraculous medal, and your attempt to change the subject will die out.    I have always been suspicious that you were a shill and now my suspicions have grown stronger in that respect. At one time I made comment that you were "on the clock", if you remember.  I am not charismatic, are you a decoy, Meg?

Excuse me if I am wrong but I thought Catholics believed in prayer, talking to God, hoping for an inspiration, an answer to prayers.  Catholics do believe these things, but shills do not.  
Glad to see that you are not a charismatic. 

Your hope, it seems to me, is that you can refute the flat earth by using the miraculous metal, and that it's the "end of the story," as if we know cannot ever say again that the earth is flat. That's ridiculous. 

You can think whatever you want of me Myrna. I'm not concerned about that. If I was concerned about what sedes think of me, I'd have been outta here a long time ago. 
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: Truth is Eternal on October 08, 2017, 11:12:29 AM
This morning when I was speaking and thinking, praying, I ask God to show me how to prove to Catholics who believed in the flat earth that they are wrong.  And He did!

I was given to search for DETAILS OF the story of the Miraculous Medal and found this.  

The Blessed Virgin herself tell us the world is a globe.  For she is the designer of the medal.




Read the story yourself.

Read the details of the Vision (http://www.amm.org/aboutamm/miraculous%20medal%20story.aspx)


And another link here:  
Half globe yes, but read on ...   https://www.olrl.org/lives/laboure.shtml
Here is a graphic representation of the whole world our Lady is speaking about.
(https://i.imgur.com/zzTFhrZ.jpg)
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: MyrnaM on October 08, 2017, 11:13:07 AM
A circle is, obviously, flat. There are only two dimensions. You cannot draw a "ball" with a compass. God said He used a compass. You cannot just wish that fact away.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyK23eJKx9M (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyK23eJKx9M)
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: Tradplorable on October 08, 2017, 11:17:43 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyK23eJKx9M (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyK23eJKx9M)
She is NOT on the atheist globe model that you adhere to, Myrna.
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Do you know how I know this?
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Because THERE ARE STARS UNDER HER FEET.
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LOOK AT THE MEDAL.
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LOOK AT THE STATUES!
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SHE IS STANDING UPON THE FIRMAMENT, IN WHICH THE STARS ARE EMBEDDED!
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In your atheist globe model, she would be standing on the land/seas. She is not.
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SHE STANDS ON THE FIRMAMENT.
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: DZ PLEASE on October 08, 2017, 11:23:44 AM
There are only two dimensions.
So. 

Unbelievably.

Stupid. 
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: Tradplorable on October 08, 2017, 11:25:04 AM
Our Lady is not standing on Myrna's atheist globe earth.
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She is standing upon the Firmament of God's Biblical Creation, with its stars embedded in it, which the flat plane of the land/seas lies underneath.
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(http://amreligiousgifts.com/11868-large_default/our-lady-of-the-miraculous-medal-woodcarved.jpg)
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: Tradplorable on October 08, 2017, 11:27:50 AM
The Firmament is God's barrier between Heaven and earth, as spoken of in Genesis.

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Our Lady stands upon the Firmament, not the atheist globe model.
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(https://m.b5z.net/i/u/6128774/i/Our_Lady_of_Grace__Statue.jpg)
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: DZ PLEASE on October 08, 2017, 11:30:08 AM
No she isn't, because there are only two dimensions.
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: MyrnaM on October 08, 2017, 11:30:51 AM
The Firmament is God's barrier between Heaven and earth, as spoken of in Genesis.

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Our Lady stands upon the Firmament, not the atheist globe model.
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(https://m.b5z.net/i/u/6128774/i/Our_Lady_of_Grace__Statue.jpg)
The Masons who are trying to usher in the NWO believe in the FLAT EARTH,  also the Moslems believe in the FLAT EARTH.
 
STUDY UP!   
Is this the reason why it is so important to convert AROUND the world your false theory?  
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: Tradplorable on October 08, 2017, 11:31:16 AM
Our Lady stands upon the Firmament, the flat plane of earth is under her feet, with the central drama of the Crucifixion being carried out on the FLAT altar.
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(https://i.pinimg.com/236x/d5/6d/a1/d56da1dd987bc4bba3b9fd4cb8843cf3--chapelle-pilgrimage.jpg)
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: MyrnaM on October 08, 2017, 11:32:27 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRgdHkWIa2s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRgdHkWIa2s)
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: Tradplorable on October 08, 2017, 11:35:37 AM
The Masons who are trying to usher in the NWO believe in the FLAT EARTH,  also the Moslems believe in the FLAT EARTH.
 
NO - the Freemasons practice the occult mystery religion of KABBALAH (alchemy, the "Dark Arts") which hold the earth to be a ball and the solar system to be heliocentric. They worship Ba'al, the god of the SUN.
ALL cultures - EVEN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH - all knew the earth to be a flat plane with the Firmament above. The Church departed from the truth with Copernicus, who was an apostate priest, an alchemist, a practitioner of the Dark Arts.
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: Tradplorable on October 08, 2017, 11:37:31 AM
ALL CULTURES KNEW THE EARTH TO BE FLAT. ALL CULTURES KNEW THE BIBLICAL GENESIS MODEL OF CREATION.
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(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-hyATW-qN1Ns/WIH3gCZRqWI/AAAAAAAARE8/MjuKYxC_kkUWM4_WFEjEn9sTgJw797x8gCLcB/s400/15936438_1583744678309142_7149514618986702858_o.jpg)
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: DZ PLEASE on October 08, 2017, 11:39:54 AM
The Church departed from the truth ...
See? NOT CATHOLIC. 

Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: Tradplorable on October 08, 2017, 11:40:20 AM
Bible verses about flat earth:
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http://robschannel.com/still-think-the-bible-isnt-a-flat-earth-book

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Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: Tradplorable on October 08, 2017, 11:41:20 AM
See? NOT CATHOLIC.
The N.O. Church supports the ba'al earth and the Copernican model
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: DZ PLEASE on October 08, 2017, 11:48:48 AM
The N.O. Church supports the ba'al earth and the Copernican model
You have repeatedly and  in myriad ways obstinately held and professed the defection of the Church in spite of completely vain attempts to penetrate that hat rack that you call a skull. 

I denounce you as a heretic. 

You will go to Hell if you die like this. 
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: MyrnaM on October 08, 2017, 12:01:53 PM
The N.O. Church supports the ba'al earth and the Copernican model
Prove it!  
However it wouldn't surprise me what the N.O. Church supports, since they are Masonic, I would tend to believe they supported the Flat Earth lie. 
BTW, Tradplorable did you know that Elvis Presley was known all AROUND THE WORLD.  
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: Tradplorable on October 08, 2017, 12:06:40 PM
Prove it!  
However it wouldn't surprise me what the N.O. Church supports, since they are Masonic, I would tend to believe they supported the Flat Earth lie.
BTW, Tradplorable did you know that Elvis Presley was known all AROUND THE WORLD.  
Come on, get real. I don't think it is necessary to post the various quotes from the modern era Popes regarding their support of ba'al earth and the Copernican model. Everyone knows this to be true. Even Trad schools teach heliocentrism.
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Elvis was known all around (like a circle, not a ball).  ;)
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: MyrnaM on October 08, 2017, 12:08:36 PM
ALL CULTURES KNEW THE EARTH TO BE FLAT. ALL CULTURES KNEW THE BIBLICAL GENESIS MODEL OF CREATION.
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(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-hyATW-qN1Ns/WIH3gCZRqWI/AAAAAAAARE8/MjuKYxC_kkUWM4_WFEjEn9sTgJw797x8gCLcB/s400/15936438_1583744678309142_7149514618986702858_o.jpg)
Are you bragging or complaining?
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: DZ PLEASE on October 08, 2017, 12:10:54 PM
Are you bragging or complaining?
Great, so now we have to believe in giant turtles, massive trees, and Jormungandr. 


Heretic, and moron. Double threat. All that and a bag of cow chips.
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: Tradplorable on October 08, 2017, 12:17:39 PM
Are you bragging or complaining?
I'm showing that you lack the common sense of ALL people.
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: Truth is Eternal on October 08, 2017, 12:18:29 PM
Prove it!  
However it wouldn't surprise me what the N.O. Church supports, since they are Masonic, I would tend to believe they supported the Flat Earth lie.
BTW, Tradplorable did you know that Elvis Presley was known all AROUND THE WORLD.  
The horizon always appears perfectly flat 360 degrees around the observer regardless of altitude. All amateur balloon, rocket, plane and drone footage show a completely flat horizon over 20+ miles high. Only NASA and other government "space agencies" show curvature in their fake CGI photos/videos.
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: Tradplorable on October 08, 2017, 12:19:33 PM
THUS saith the Lord: Heaven is my throne, and the earth my footstool: Isaiah 66:1

(http://christswords.com/sites/christswords.com/files/styles/medium/public/earthfootstool.jpg?itok=KwwSiORY)
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: Truth is Eternal on October 08, 2017, 12:20:47 PM
You have repeatedly and  in myriad ways obstinately held and professed the defection of the Church in spite of completely vain attempts to penetrate that hat rack that you call a skull.

I denounce you as a heretic.

You will go to Hell if you die like this.
Thanks for the compliment. :laugh1: :laugh2: :jester:
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: DZ PLEASE on October 08, 2017, 12:21:14 PM
I'm showing that you lack the common sense of ALL people
"... ALL..."

See? Heretic AND imbecile.
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: Truth is Eternal on October 08, 2017, 12:24:26 PM
Are you bragging or complaining?
Both and loving every flat earth split second of it. :incense: :applause:
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: Student of Qi on October 08, 2017, 12:34:31 PM
ALL CULTURES KNEW THE EARTH TO BE FLAT. ALL CULTURES KNEW THE BIBLICAL GENESIS MODEL OF CREATION.
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(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-hyATW-qN1Ns/WIH3gCZRqWI/AAAAAAAARE8/MjuKYxC_kkUWM4_WFEjEn9sTgJw797x8gCLcB/s400/15936438_1583744678309142_7149514618986702858_o.jpg)

NASA's pic looks just as round as the Hebrew and Mayan ones.
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: TKGS on October 08, 2017, 12:41:15 PM
Do you speak in tongues? I think it's a fair question.
Have you stopped dating that married man down the street from you?  This is just as fair a question.
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: Truth is Eternal on October 08, 2017, 12:41:24 PM
NASA's pic looks just as round as the Hebrew and Mayan ones.
You can clearly see that the NASA illustration is missing the flat earth circle described in the Holy Bible.
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: Truth is Eternal on October 08, 2017, 12:49:31 PM
Also the four cornered shape it describes which are compatible to you.
Thank you. :applause:
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: Truth is Eternal on October 08, 2017, 01:27:49 PM
Why because you needed somebody to show your illogic? How many four cornered circles have you seen? You already have declared that you're wiser than the Holy Ghost for interpreting scripture to show what clearly isn't there.
Four corners. :applause:
(https://i.imgur.com/pb9DERP.jpg)
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: MyrnaM on October 08, 2017, 02:55:44 PM
Four corners. :applause:
(https://i.imgur.com/pb9DERP.jpg)

In the link of the OP here Our Lady did not say to St. Catherine Let us design the medal with a round peg in a square hole.   She showed in her vision to the Saint herself, Mary as standing upon a globe, crushing the head of a serpent beneath her foot. She stands upon the globe, as the Queen of Heaven and Earth. Her feet crush the serpent to proclaim Satan and all his followers are helpless before her (Gn 3:15). .

Not a round peg in a square hole.  Which is defined as a idiom, with its graphic image of something that cannot fit, dates from about 1800.
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: Truth is Eternal on October 08, 2017, 03:06:30 PM
In the link of the OP here Our Lady did not say to St. Catherine Let us design the medal with a round peg in a square hole.   She showed in her vision to the Saint herself, Mary as standing upon a globe, crushing the head of a serpent beneath her foot. She stands upon the globe, as the Queen of Heaven and Earth. Her feet crush the serpent to proclaim Satan and all his followers are helpless before her (Gn 3:15). .

Not a round peg in a square hole.  Which is defined as a idiom, with its graphic image of something that cannot fit, dates from about 1800.
Here is the globe you are speaking of. Notice the half dome firmament above and below.
(https://i.imgur.com/zzTFhrZ.jpg)
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: MyrnaM on October 08, 2017, 03:20:58 PM
NO - the Freemasons practice the occult mystery religion of KABBALAH (alchemy, the "Dark Arts") which hold the earth to be a ball and the solar system to be heliocentric. They worship Ba'al, the god of the SUN.
ALL cultures - EVEN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH - all knew the earth to be a flat plane with the Firmament above. The Church departed from the truth with Copernicus, who was an apostate priest, an alchemist, a practitioner of the Dark Arts.
Are you a Freemason?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_y-XZvynduY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_y-XZvynduY)
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: Truth is Eternal on October 08, 2017, 03:23:00 PM
Are you a Freemason?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_y-XZvynduY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_y-XZvynduY)
Globe earthers are Freemasons.
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: MyrnaM on October 08, 2017, 03:31:58 PM
Freemasons and their art are along the lines of the FlatEarthers.
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: Truth is Eternal on October 08, 2017, 03:36:44 PM
Freemasons and their art are along the lines of the FlatEarthers.
NASA Freemasons created globe earth CGIS' and passed them off as pictures; You fell for the deception. :-[
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: Tradplorable on October 08, 2017, 05:53:05 PM
Are you a Freemason?
No. 
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But NASA astronauts are. And they worship Ba'al.
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(http://www.phoenixmasonry.org/masonicmuseum/images/JamesIrwinAstronautFDC1.jpg)
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: Tradplorable on October 08, 2017, 06:12:17 PM
The arch above denotes the Firmament, and it is divided into the four quarters, to denote the 4 cardinal directions. The line about the midsection denotes the flat plane of earth. The cross above means Christ has dominion over all.
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(https://thumb7.shutterstock.com/display_pic_with_logo/382648/174031895/stock-photo-cross-bearing-orb-imperial-orb-globus-cruciger-174031895.jpg)
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: MyrnaM on October 08, 2017, 07:49:10 PM
The arch above denotes the Firmament, and it is divided into the four quarters, to denote the 4 cardinal directions. The line about the midsection denotes the flat plane of earth. The cross above means Christ has dominion over all.
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(https://thumb7.shutterstock.com/display_pic_with_logo/382648/174031895/stock-photo-cross-bearing-orb-imperial-orb-globus-cruciger-174031895.jpg)
Yes, yes, I know you need a globe to prove the world is flat.   :sleep: :sleep: :sleep: :sleep:
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: Truth is Eternal on October 08, 2017, 08:17:30 PM
Yes, yes, I know you need a globe to prove the world is flat.   :sleep: :sleep: :sleep: :sleep:
That is a representation of the firmament above and the firmament below.
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: Tradplorable on October 08, 2017, 08:47:34 PM
NASA Freemasons created globe earth CGIS' and passed them off as pictures; You fell for the deception. :-[
Yes, they did.
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: RoughAshlar on October 08, 2017, 11:44:07 PM
That is a representation of the firmament above and the firmament below.
Being that this object dates back many hundreds of years, and is included in Catholic visions, art, publication, etc...Could you link a quote that describes it representing the firmament?
If you look at the history of it, its just the Catholic adaptation of an old pagan symbology 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Globus_cruciger

"Holding the world in one's hand, or more ominously, under one's foot, has been used as a symbol since antiquity (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_history). To citizens of the Roman Empire, the plain round globe held by Jupiter represented the world, or the universe, as the dominion held by the emperor. A 2nd-century coin from the reign of Emperor Hadrian (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadrian) shows the Roman goddess (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_mythology) Salus (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salus) with her foot upon a globus, and a 4th-century coin from the reign of Emperor Constantine I (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantine_I_of_the_Roman_Empire) shows him with a globus in hand. The orbis terrarum was central to the iconography of the Tetrarchy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetrarchy), representing the Tetrarchs' restoration of security to the Roman world. Constantine I claimed to have had a vision of a cross above the sun, with the words "In this sign, you shall conquer" (Latin: In hoc signo vinces (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_hoc_signo_vinces)), at the Battle of Milvian Bridge (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Milvian_Bridge) in 312. His soldiers painted crosses upon their shields, and then defeated their foe, Maxentius (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxentius).
With the growth of Christianity (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity) in the 5th century, the orb (in Latin scriptures orbis terrarum, the 'world of the lands', hence the word "orb") was topped with a cross (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross) (hence globus cruciger), symbolising the Christian God's dominion over the world. The emperor held the world in his hand, to show that he ruled it on God's behalf. To non-Christians already familiar with the pagan (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pagan) globe, the surmounting of a cross sent a message about the triumph of Christianity.[citation needed (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)] 
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: DZ PLEASE on October 08, 2017, 11:57:16 PM
In prudence, rigor and fairness:

1. Careful of things like influential fallacies; I'm not saying that one was committed, just take care.
2. "citation needed" is at least a tad ironic, no?
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: Viva Cristo Rey on October 09, 2017, 12:48:17 AM
Our Lady of the Miraculous Medal, 
Pray for us.  
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: Stubborn on October 09, 2017, 05:50:24 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPv43Ar1d5A
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: Tradplorable on October 09, 2017, 09:44:47 AM
has been used as a symbol since antiquity (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_history). To citizens of the Roman Empire, the plain round globe held by Jupiter represented the world, or the universe, 
Yes, because all the peoples of all ancient cultures, pagans AND Jєωs, understood the entirety of Creation (the world, the universe) to be designed this way.
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(http://10sciencereligion.weebly.com/uploads/5/3/5/0/53506923/7681789.jpg?960)
https://10sciencereligion.weebly.com/hebrew-no-1.html
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: DZ PLEASE on October 09, 2017, 09:47:19 AM
Advise all non-Prostratants to note how FEists cherry-pick antiquity and pagan brains. 

Don't take my word for it, read their threads.
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: MyrnaM on October 09, 2017, 10:10:38 AM
Yes, because all the peoples of all ancient cultures, pagans AND Jєωs, understood the entirety of Creation (the world, the universe) to be designed this way.
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(http://10sciencereligion.weebly.com/uploads/5/3/5/0/53506923/7681789.jpg?960)
https://10sciencereligion.weebly.com/hebrew-no-1.html


Not another cartoon, well at least this is different from that other pagan art they worship.
We Catholics will hear the words of the Virgin Mary when she designed her medal.  I am sure she knows the shape of the earth since she is the Queen of the universe.  BTW ... she said GLOBE. In fact, she held the globe in her hands so there will not be any mistake from the Pagan theory.
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: Tradplorable on October 09, 2017, 10:17:28 AM
Give it a rest, Myrna. Everybody already knows how much you love the ba'al.
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: DZ PLEASE on October 09, 2017, 10:31:01 AM
Give it a rest, Myrna. Everybody already knows how much you love the ba'al.
"Everybody...."
Such a lying ass you are.
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: happenby on October 09, 2017, 10:31:43 AM

Not another cartoon, well at least this is different from that other pagan art they worship.
We Catholics will hear the words of the Virgin Mary when she designed her medal.  I am sure she knows the shape of the earth since she is the Queen of the universe.  BTW ... she said GLOBE. In fact, she held the globe in her hands so there will not be any mistake from the Pagan theory.
Ma'am, flat earth geocentrism was long ago proven truth, reflects scripture perfectly and was defended by Catholics of note, as well as the Church, throughout the centuries in diverse ways.  Your ignorance of these facts leaves *you* in error.    
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: MyrnaM on October 09, 2017, 10:32:52 AM
Give it a rest, Myrna. Everybody already knows how much you love the ba'al.
Give it a rest, Tradplorable.  Everybody already knows how much you love all the pagan beliefs. 
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: happenby on October 09, 2017, 10:37:31 AM
"Everybody...."
Such a lying ass you are.
Wow.  The Ba'al earthers are getting feisty for all their lack of proof for their pagan notions.  Not a single shred of support for their theories, they only know how to lob verbal bombs in a shameless defense of the heliocentric Godless evolutionary paradigm.  
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: MyrnaM on October 09, 2017, 11:35:24 AM
Ma'am, flat earth geocentrism was long ago proven truth, reflects scripture perfectly and was defended by Catholics of note, as well as the Church, throughout the centuries in diverse ways.  Your ignorance of these facts leaves *you* in error.    

I feel very secure from the holy voice of the Blessed Mother when she designed and gave a description of the earth by not only her words but holding the globe in her hands to the Canonized Saint Catherine.

My dad would often say, that the Protestants can twist the words of SCRIPTURE to say anything that suits them, and so right he was.  R.I.P.

http://www.amm.org/aboutamm/miraculous%20medal%20story.aspx (http://www.amm.org/aboutamm/miraculous%20medal%20story.aspx)



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Tradpolarable >>> Give it a rest, Myrna. Everybody already knows how much you love the ba'al.

To borrow a few choice words from your comrade-in-arms just above:  "Wow.  The Ba'al FLATES are getting feisty for all their lack of proof for their pagan notions.  Not a single shred of support for their theories, they only know how to lob verbal bombs."



Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: Tradplorable on October 09, 2017, 11:46:55 AM
Again, just a demonstration of the total lack of humility to surrender themselves to God's Truth.
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: happenby on October 09, 2017, 11:55:26 AM
Again, just a demonstration of the total lack of humility to surrender themselves to God's Truth.
Indeed.  The accusation may be hard to endure, but that makes it all the more reasonable to get to the bottom of it before spouting nonsense.  Obviously, that never crosses any of the detractors' minds who possess all the intelligence of a fire hydrant.  Smack it, it spouts.   
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: MyrnaM on October 09, 2017, 12:00:46 PM
"On the globe was the word “France,” and our Lady explained that the globe represented the whole world"

Our Lady did not give a description of the earth. She said that the globe represented the whole world. Read carefully. This is a reference to the universe. If she meant "earth" she would have said "earth". The world represents all of creation, and she is crushing the head of the serpent upon the firmament. The earth was considered to be the center of the world by the Church...
                            
                                               Papal Condemnation (Sentence) of Galileo
(June 22, 1633)
Whereas you, Galileo, son of the late Vaincenzo Galilei, Florentine, aged seventy years, were in the year 1615 denounced to this Holy Office for holding as true the false doctrine taught by some that the Sun is the center of the world and immovable and that the Earth moves, and also with a diurnal motion; for having disciples to whom you taught the same doctrine; for holding correspondence with certain mathematicians of Germany concerning the same; for having printed certain letters, entitled "On the Sunspots," wherein you developed the same doctrine as true; and for replying to the objections from the Holy Scriptures, which from time to time were urged against it, by glossing the said Scriptures according to your own meaning: and whereas there was thereupon produced the copy of a docuмent in the form of a letter, purporting to be written by you to one formerly your disciple, and in this divers propositions are set forth, following the position of Copernicus, which are contrary to the true sense and authority of Holy Scripture:
This Holy Tribunal being therefore of intention to proceed against the disorder and mischief thence resulting, which went on increasing to the prejudice of the Holy Faith, by command of His Holiness and of the Most Eminent Lords Cardinals of this supreme and universal Inquisition, the two propositions of the stability of the Sun and the motion of the Earth were by the theological Qualifiers qualified as follows:
The proposition that the Sun is the center of the world and does not move from its place is absurd and false philosophically and formally heretical, because it is expressly contrary to Holy Scripture.
The proposition that the Earth is not the center of the world and immovable but that it moves, and also with a diurnal motion, is equally absurd and false philosophically and theologically considered at least erroneous in faith.

You are the one not only twisting words, but replacing them.
Don't change the subject you are showing your lack of confidence with the topic at hand.   Our Lady shows the shape of the earth is a globe.  
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: happenby on October 09, 2017, 12:01:41 PM
"On the globe was the word “France,” and our Lady explained that the globe represented the whole world"

Our Lady did not give a description of the earth. She said that the globe represented the whole world. Read carefully. This is a reference to the universe. If she meant "earth" she would have said "earth". The world represents all of creation, and she is crushing the head of the serpent upon the firmament. The earth was considered to be the center of the world by the Church...
                          
    Papal Condemnation (Sentence) of Galileo
(June 22, 1633)
Whereas you, Galileo, son of the late Vaincenzo Galilei, Florentine, aged seventy years, were in the year 1615 denounced to this Holy Office for holding as true the false doctrine taught by some that the Sun is the center of the world and immovable and that the Earth moves, and also with a diurnal motion; for having disciples to whom you taught the same doctrine; for holding correspondence with certain mathematicians of Germany concerning the same; for having printed certain letters, entitled "On the Sunspots," wherein you developed the same doctrine as true; and for replying to the objections from the Holy Scriptures, which from time to time were urged against it, by glossing the said Scriptures according to your own meaning: and whereas there was thereupon produced the copy of a docuмent in the form of a letter, purporting to be written by you to one formerly your disciple, and in this divers propositions are set forth, following the position of Copernicus, which are contrary to the true sense and authority of Holy Scripture:
This Holy Tribunal being therefore of intention to proceed against the disorder and mischief thence resulting, which went on increasing to the prejudice of the Holy Faith, by command of His Holiness and of the Most Eminent Lords Cardinals of this supreme and universal Inquisition, the two propositions of the stability of the Sun and the motion of the Earth were by the theological Qualifiers qualified as follows:
The proposition that the Sun is the center of the world and does not move from its place is absurd and false philosophically and formally heretical, because it is expressly contrary to Holy Scripture.
The proposition that the Earth is not the center of the world and immovable but that it moves, and also with a diurnal motion, is equally absurd and false philosophically and theologically considered at least erroneous in faith.

You are the one not only twisting words, but replacing them.
The proposition that the Sun is the center of the world and does not move from its place is absurd and false philosophically and formally heretical, because it is expressly contrary to Holy Scripture.
The proposition that the Earth is not the center of the world and immovable but that it moves, and also with a diurnal motion, is equally absurd and false philosophically and theologically considered at least erroneous in faith.


Thank you Catholic Church.
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: Tradplorable on October 09, 2017, 12:28:38 PM
   Our Lady shows the shape of the earth is a globe.  
No. The earth is not the "world." The world is the ENTIRE Creation, all of the Universe.
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Do you think she is standing on top of ONLY the earth? Do you think she is only the Queen of Earth?
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NO.
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She was coronated as the Queen of HEAVEN and earth.
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She stands upon the WORLD. ALL. OF. IT..
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It is astounding that you fail to make this critical distinction.
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You have diabolically limited her to being only the Queen of the earth. Total blasphemy.
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Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: DZ PLEASE on October 09, 2017, 12:32:38 PM
Then we can suppose that "whoever" described her as having the moon under her feet to be a blasphemer; guess "Moon Queen" is a bit of damnable sci-fi cheek as well.

Your brain on stupid.
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: Tradplorable on October 09, 2017, 12:33:58 PM
Our Lord Jesus Christ reigns supreme over the world.
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See the stars? He stands on the Firmament.
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(https://i.pinimg.com/736x/8f/9e/9c/8f9e9c55a08349c2b59b5b32e68ba73b--sacred-heart-christ.jpg)
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: Student of Qi on October 09, 2017, 01:01:38 PM
The problem with the current flow of this topic is that the FEers are claiming the Globers believe the Earth spins and presume they subscribe to Heliocentrism, when no one of them has suggested it. To pull out articles condemning what is not part of the subject material seems quite.... incompetent? I think plenty of the Globers here are Geocentrists. Remain on topic, please. It looks ridiculous.


Also, Tradplorable does make a point that "world" can mean universe. However, the use of the word "world" has many many aplications in English, so you can't just look at one aplication. "Welcome to my world (life)", "What a small world", "What world (foreign place/ planet) are you from?"  The word "world" is relative to the amount of space/area assigned to it.
   Also, what are the original words in French with which St. Catherine was spoken to?

Then we can suppose that "whoever" described her as having the moon under her feet to be a blasphemer; guess "Moon Queen" is a bit of damnable sci-fi cheek as well.

Your brain on stupid.

DZ Please also makes a point.
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: Truth is Eternal on October 09, 2017, 01:03:43 PM
The problem with the current flow of this topic is that the FEers are claiming the Globers believe the Earth spins and presume they subscribe to Heliocentrism, when no one of them has suggested it. To pull out articles condemning what is not part of the subject material seems quite.... incompetent? I think plenty of the Globers here are Geocentrists. Remain on topic, please. It looks ridiculous.


Also, Tradplorable does make a point that "world" can mean universe. However, the use of tge word "world" has many many aplications in English, so you can't just look at one aplication. "Welcome to my world (life)", "What a small world", "What world (foreign place/ planet) are you from?"  Also, what are the original words in French with which St. Catherine was spoken to?

DZ Please also makes a point.
Is it even possible for someone to be a globe earther if they can clearly see the flat earth horizon?
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: kiwiboy on October 09, 2017, 01:05:15 PM
The problem with the current flow of this topic is that the FEers are claiming the Globers believe the Earth spins and presume they subscribe to Heliocentrism, when no one of them has suggested it. To pull out articles condemning what is not part of the subject material seems quite.... incompetent? I think plenty of the Globers here are Geocentrists. Remain on topic, please. It looks ridiculous.


Also, Tradplorable does make a point that "world" can mean universe. However, the use of tge word "world" has many many aplications in English, so you can't just look at one aplication. "Welcome to my world (life)", "What a small world", "What world (foreign place/ planet) are you from?"  Also, what are the original words in French with which St. Catherine was spoken to?

DZ Please also makes a point.

Yes but the problem is that geocentrism is undermined by the lack of curvature.


https://youtu.be/S4oT2EbDONs
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: DZ PLEASE on October 09, 2017, 01:06:48 PM
Is it even possible for someone to be a globe earther if they can clearly see the flat earth horizon?
I can see myself in a mirror, so which one is evil Kirk?
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: MyrnaM on October 09, 2017, 01:21:01 PM
No. The earth is not the "world." The world is the ENTIRE Creation, all of the Universe.
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Do you think she is standing on top of ONLY the earth? Do you think she is only the Queen of Earth?
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NO.
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She was coronated as the Queen of HEAVEN and earth.
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She stands upon the WORLD. ALL. OF. IT..
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It is astounding that you fail to make this critical distinction.
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You have diabolically limited her to being only the Queen of the earth. Total blasphemy.
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You made me happy to see you acknowledge Our Lady as Queen of Heaven and earth. 
So in the sense of the word that the world is the universe where in your scheme of things does Our Ladies globe fit into this vast universe?
  
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: Truth is Eternal on October 09, 2017, 01:35:57 PM
Yes but the problem is that geocentrism is undermined by the lack of curvature.


(https://i.imgur.com/dEpIGNq.jpg)
What is wrong with :fryingpan: your eyesight; I see a curve.
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: Student of Qi on October 09, 2017, 01:50:09 PM
Yes but the problem is that geocentrism is undermined by the lack of curvature.


https://youtu.be/S4oT2EbDONs
If we are to take this by personal experience, then mine contradict what is seen in this man's video. When I was little we would sometimes go to Galveston and stay at a house my uncle would rent. I don't know the exact height, but adding tge sea-wall and a two to three story building means I would have been about the equivalent of five stories up. Anyway, from the top storey window you could see ships and even riggs out in the Gulf, but when you got down to the sand you couldn't see them anymore. It seems my experience conflicts with this video. Of course, being a decade ago you could just claim I maybe don't remember well. But that is that, make of it what you will.
   With the above in mind, a sphere does not have to be perfectly round. If you smoosh it just a bit, that slight oval effect could affect the seeming lack of curvature some people believe they see, like in that video. That is just something that seems possible in my mind.
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: Truth is Eternal on October 09, 2017, 03:40:01 PM
If we are to take this by personal experience, then mine contradict what is seen in this man's video. When I was little we would sometimes go to Galveston and stay at a house my uncle would rent. I don't know the exact height, but adding tge sea-wall and a two to three story building means I would have been about the equivalent of five stories up. Anyway, from the top storey window you could see ships and even riggs out in the Gulf, but when you got down to the sand you couldn't see them anymore. It seems my experience conflicts with this video. Of course, being a decade ago you could just claim I maybe don't remember well. But that is that, make of it what you will.
   With the above in mind, a sphere does not have to be perfectly round. If you smoosh it just a bit, that slight oval effect could affect the seeming lack of curvature some people believe they see, like in that video. That is just something that seems possible in my mind.
If you would have used binoculars and a zoom camera just a few feet above ground level, you still would have been able to see the ships .
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: Neil Obstat on October 09, 2017, 03:48:13 PM
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That stupid video again.
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It's all fake, and I've gone through it almost minute by minute already exposing the lies. The guy deliberately falsifies his pictures and you can even see what he's doing to make it look other than what it was when he shot the photos.
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So transparent it's not funny.
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He has his distances, elevations and observations all wrong. Pathetic.
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This thread was started to go over another topic entirely and now it's turned into the same old nonsense.
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Baptism of Desire syndrome all over again! That's what happens when you allow lunatics to get control of an internet forum.
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Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: Student of Qi on October 09, 2017, 04:01:47 PM
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That stupid video again.
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It's all fake, and I've gone through it almost minute by minute already exposing the lies. The guy deliberately falsifies his pictures and you can even see what he's doing to make it look other than what it was when he shot the photos.
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So transparent it's not funny.
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He has his distances, elevations and observations all wrong. Pathetic.
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This thread was started to go over another topic entirely and now it's turned into the same old nonsense.
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Baptism of Desire syndrome all over again! That's what happens when you allow lunatics to get control of an internet forum.
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Yes, Mr. Neil, surely everyone is aware these types of threads always get derailed. That is probably part of the reason thet are all in one place. And Yes, I've seen your analyses of the video and I think it a good one.
BDS is a good term to be noted for the vocabulary. Can we put it in a dictionary? Maybe C.I. could form it's own encyclopedic dictionary of terms used over the years.
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: Neil Obstat on October 09, 2017, 04:16:36 PM
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This is incredible.
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Quote from: Student of Qi on Today at 11:50:09 AM (https://www.cathinfo.com/the-earth-god-made-flat-earth-geocentrism/end-of-story-at-least-for-catholics/msg571588/#msg571588)
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If we are to take this by personal experience, then mine contradicts what is seen in this man's video. When I was little we would sometimes go to Galveston and stay at a house my uncle would rent. I don't know the exact height, but adding the sea-wall and a two to three story building means I would have been about the equivalent of five stories up. Anyway, from the top story window you could see ships and even rigs out in the Gulf, but when you got down to the sand you couldn't see them anymore. It seems my experience conflicts with this video. 

If you would have used binoculars and a zoom camera just a few feet above ground level, you still would have been able to see the ships .
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Flat-earthers are so myopic it's predictable.  
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He just told you that he could see the ships without binoculars from the top story window at 5 stories up, so why do you think that when he goes down to the sand -- which is CLOSER to the ships! -- that he would need binoculars to see them?  :facepalm:
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Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: Truth is Eternal on October 09, 2017, 04:21:48 PM
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This is incredible.
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If you would have used binoculars and a zoom camera just a few feet above ground level, you still would have been able to see the ships .

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Flat-earthers are so myopic it's predictable.  
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He just told you that he could see the ships without binoculars from the top story window at 5 stories up, so why do you think that when he goes down to the sand -- which is CLOSER to the ships! -- that he would need binoculars to see them?  :facepalm:
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Perspective,
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: TKGS on October 09, 2017, 04:22:06 PM
Yes, Mr. Neil, surely everyone is aware these types of threads always get derailed. That is probably part of the reason thet are all in one place. And Yes, I've seen your analyses of the video and I think it a good one.
BDS is a good term to be noted for the vocabulary. Can we put it in a dictionary? Maybe C.I. could form it's own encyclopedic dictionary of terms used over the years.
Impossible.  Liberals define words the same way as the Humpty Dumpty uses words:  

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 “When I use a word,” Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, “it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less.”
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: Truth is Eternal on October 09, 2017, 04:25:28 PM
Baptism of Desire syndrome all over again!
https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/are-there-any-people-on-cathinfo-com-who-do-not-believe-that-the-earth-is-flat/ (https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/are-there-any-people-on-cathinfo-com-who-do-not-believe-that-the-earth-is-flat/)
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: Tradplorable on October 09, 2017, 04:29:30 PM
I think plenty of the Globers here are Geocentrists. 
Globalism and geocentrism do not go together. It is a physical impossibility. You cannot simply reverse the position of the sun and earth and retain all the rest of heliocentrism. It is physically impossibly.
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Regardless, your helio/hybrid version of geocentrism is easily disproved with the mere use of one's five senses.
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There is no curvature to be seen anywhere, whatsoever.
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Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: Neil Obstat on October 09, 2017, 06:10:51 PM
Globalism and geocentrism do not go together. It is a physical impossibility. You cannot simply reverse the position of the sun and earth and retain all the rest of heliocentrism. It is physically impossibly.
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Regardless, your helio/hybrid version of geocentrism is easily disproved with the mere use of one's five senses.
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There is no curvature to be seen anywhere, whatsoever.
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"There is no curvature to be seen anywhere, whatsoever."  --- Direct quote.
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Are you capable of using your "five senses" by interacting with the following video?
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You interact with it by clicking on each of the 4 arrows (^,>,<...) in the little circle, top left corner.
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https://youtu.be/W9u297hArbI
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Are you capable? Probably not, after all, you're only a flat-earther who refuses to see what's in front of your eyes.
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Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: Tradplorable on October 09, 2017, 06:18:12 PM
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"There is no curvature to be seen anywhere, whatsoever."  --- Direct quote.
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Are you capable of using your "five senses" by interacting with the following video?
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You interact with it by clicking on each of the 4 arrows (^,>,<...) in the little circle, top left corner.
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https://youtu.be/W9u297hArbI
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Are you capable? Probably not, after all, you're only a flat-earther who refuses to see what's in front of your eyes.
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:facepalm:
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: Neil Obstat on October 09, 2017, 06:31:30 PM
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Here's a flat-earther refusing to see what's in front of his eyes:
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Could you be capable of using your 5 senses?
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I didn't think so.   :laugh1:
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Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: Neil Obstat on October 09, 2017, 07:07:55 PM
Neil, why don't you just post one of the Apollo movies. At least it would be entertaining.
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If you don't think this is interesting then it must be too difficult for you. 
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You can't just watch it like a couch potato.
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You have to work the controls and you have to view it several times to get all the angles.
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Especially the last 30 seconds, where you can only see content from one direction where the cosmonauts are unloading equipment.
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Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: Neil Obstat on October 09, 2017, 07:09:51 PM
It would be diabolical, to change Our Lady's actual words, to support a personal opinion. Even more so, when that opinion is at least erroneous (such as a ball earth). That is the point.
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When that opinion is objectively erroneous such as a "flat" earth, you mean.
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Saying the earth is "flat" is an objective error.
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Your subjective mind can believe in a "flat" earth, and that's your problem, though.
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But watch out because the day might come when they lock you up in the funny farm.
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Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: DZ PLEASE on October 09, 2017, 07:59:39 PM
It would be diabolical, to change Our Lady's actual words, to support a personal opinion. Even more so, when that opinion is at least erroneous (such as a ball earth). That is the point.
It could be diabolical to take something possibly said innocently, and in ignorance, as deliberate and malicious alteration; the very fact that you state this could involve something merely erroneous supports said possibility. 

In crayon, and for example, they wouldn't need to "change" anything that was already "changed" via misapprehension i.e. before their will ever entered into it. 

S.a. "rash judgment", and "jumping to conclusions" and reexamine your use of words like would, and diabolical. 

Motes v beams.
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: Truth is Eternal on October 09, 2017, 08:25:24 PM
It could be diabolical to take something possibly said innocently, and in ignorance, as deliberate and malicious alteration; the very fact that you state this could involve something merely erroneous supports said possibility.  

In crayon, and for example, they wouldn't need to "change" anything that was already "changed" via misapprehension i.e. before their will ever entered into it.

S.a. "rash judgment", and "jumping to conclusions" and reexamine your use of words like would, and diabolical.

Motes v beams.
Your continual fighting, against the firm foundation of the flat earth God created, is your anti-works.
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: DZ PLEASE on October 09, 2017, 08:32:50 PM
Your continual fighting, against the firm foundation of the flat earth God created, is your anti-works.
That means so much coming from a heretic of, as near as can be determined at this time, some strange "Cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs" species of Old Catholic  so-called.

I'm all broken up about it, no really...

TL;CR: " :cheers:"
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: Student of Qi on October 09, 2017, 10:47:44 PM
That means so much coming from a heretic of, as near as can be determined at this time, some strange "Cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs" species of Old Catholic  so-called.

I'm all broken up about it, no really...

TL;CR: " :cheers:"
I like/miss the Cocoa Puffs bird. I like poultry...
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: DZ PLEASE on October 09, 2017, 10:50:47 PM
I like/miss the Cocoa Puffs bird. I like poultry...
Sonny wasn't much of a spokesfoul after the lithium and ECT, the whole catatonic drooling thing tends to put you off your food.
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: kiwiboy on October 10, 2017, 10:25:09 AM
Yes, Mr. Neil, surely everyone is aware these types of threads always get derailed. That is probably part of the reason thet are all in one place. And Yes, I've seen your analyses of the video and I think it a good one.
BDS is a good term to be noted for the vocabulary. Can we put it in a dictionary? Maybe C.I. could form it's own encyclopedic dictionary of terms used over the years.

Student of Qi,

A good analysis? Would you mind telling me exactly what was good about his analysis?

So far as I could see he failed to explain why we were seeing so much (500feet) of the mountain.

Please do elaborate.

On a general point to everyone, the attempt to make flat earthers look stupid won't work. Our case is thoroughly scientific, thoroughly doctrinal and thoroughly scriptural.

The following users need not respond to my posts anymore because they have shown themselves to be incapable of rational discussion about this topic;

Neil Obstat,
DZ Please,
Even Seven,
Myrna.

Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: DZ PLEASE on October 10, 2017, 10:29:25 AM
On a general point to everyone, the attempt to make flat earthers look stupid won't work.
Nor will wetting water, deflowering hookers...

"If it ain't broke, don't fix it".


"If it ain't fixed, can't break it."
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: kiwiboy on October 10, 2017, 10:34:17 AM


This one goes out to all the globetrolls....



https://youtu.be/ShcosKO5b6o


Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: kiwiboy on October 10, 2017, 10:38:26 AM
no one quite says it like the king...
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: DZ PLEASE on October 10, 2017, 10:39:20 AM
Not realizing what you're doing, or what you are, doesn't change the doing or the being.
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: DZ PLEASE on October 10, 2017, 10:41:21 AM
Didn't realize "Flat Earth Stops at Dead Ends" was a tune.


Huh, go figger.
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: St Ignatius on October 10, 2017, 10:52:37 AM

Thanks for not "black listing" me... too kind!

On a general point to everyone, the attempt to make flat earthers look stupid won't work. Our case is thoroughly scientific, thoroughly doctrinal and thoroughly scriptural.
:jester:
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: kiwiboy on October 10, 2017, 11:01:06 AM
Sorry, I forgot to include you.... knew I was forgetting someone...

St. Ignatius.
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: Student of Qi on October 10, 2017, 11:13:21 AM
Student of Qi,

A good analysis? Would you mind telling me exactly what was good about his analysis?

So far as I could see he failed to explain why we were seeing so much (500feet) of the mountain.

Please do elaborate.


On a general point to everyone, the attempt to make flat earthers look stupid won't work. Our case is thoroughly scientific, thoroughly doctrinal and thoroughly scriptural.

The following users need not respond to my posts anymore because they have shown themselves to be incapable of rational discussion about this topic;

Neil Obstat,
DZ Please,
Even Seven,
Myrna.

I'm not going to spend the whole day digging up the old posts, but Neil pointed out various ways that the measurments were not fully accurate, like putting the camera on the sand and saying that was sea level. Of course, he likely couldn't put the camera on top of tge water or there would never be a video!
Can't say I remember his response to the 500 ft. contention but, I vaguely remember being of the opinion that it was a logical conclision.
Anyway, Neils thoughts aside from present, off the original topic discusion, why does this video presented not align with what I saw multiple times at my Uncle's place? (See my previous post) Presuming no errant presentation on either side, why does the island not disappear in tge video but the ships and riggs disappear before my eyes?
   How would this be possible on one part of the world and not another???
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: St Ignatius on October 10, 2017, 11:36:24 AM
Anyway, Neils thoughts aside from present, off the original topic discusion, why does this video presented not align with what I saw multiple times at my Uncle's place? (See my previous post) Presuming no errant presentation on either side, why does the island not disappear in tge video but the ships and riggs disappear before my eyes?

Being you are obviously engaging with the things of nature, using your senses in unison to formulate a conclusion, which some of us refer to as "common sense," you are somehow a "agent of NASA."

I'd find it most interesting, to know what type of professions and hobbies FEer's partake in...
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: Truth is Eternal on October 10, 2017, 11:43:38 AM
Thanks for not "black listing" me... too kind!
:jester:
:jester: :jester:
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: kiwiboy on October 10, 2017, 11:43:45 AM

Can't say I remember his response to the 500 ft. contention but, I vaguely remember being of the opinion that it was a logical conclision.
Anyway, Neils thoughts aside from present, off the original topic discusion, why does this video presented not align with what I saw multiple times at my Uncle's place? (See my previous post) Presuming no errant presentation on either side, why does the island not disappear in tge video but the ships and riggs disappear before my eyes?
   How would this be possible on one part of the world and not another???

Well the point is that he did not have anything to say in response to the 500 ft contention, and it is a pretty bit contention!

As for your uncles place, this does not have much to do with this video. The reason you see more when you go up is simply because you have a greater perspective of the flat earth. The point of the video I posted is to show something that is physically impossible according to the mathematics of the globe earth. It completely undermines it.

The same is illustrated in this video

https://youtu.be/VqD2a-zifYE
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: DZ PLEASE on October 10, 2017, 11:50:43 AM
Not
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Silly 
A$#)&%

Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: hismajesty on October 10, 2017, 11:58:43 AM
no one quite says it like the king...

You mean me right?


Thank you very much....


https://youtu.be/vGJTaP6anOU


Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: Tradplorable on October 10, 2017, 01:01:26 PM
Presuming no errant presentation on either side, why does the island not disappear in tge video but the ships and riggs disappear before my eyes?
   How would this be possible on one part of the world and not another???
Because the flat plane of earth scrolls away from you as you gain altitude toward an ever-lengthening convergence point. This is due to perspective.
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If it were curved, it would drop off below you.
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Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: Student of Qi on October 10, 2017, 04:36:13 PM
Being you are obviously engaging with the things of nature, using your senses in unison to formulate a conclusion, which some of us refer to as "common sense," you are somehow a "agent of NASA."

I'd find it most interesting, to know what type of professions and hobbies FEer's partake in...
Well, Danggit. If I'm their agent they could at least send me a paycheck now and then. My family has bills to pay and I don't work for free (though I do make exceptions for some people). I need to send them a complaint later this week.
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: St Ignatius on October 10, 2017, 04:42:50 PM
Well, Danggit. If I'm their agent they could at least send me a paycheck now and then. My family has bills to pay and I don't work for free (though I do make exceptions for some people). I need to send them a complaint later this week.
Don't worry, they'll come through for you, eventually... the IMF must just be doing some routine maintenance on their printing presses.. :P
P.S. Keep up the good work, you've got  the FEers on the edge...
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: Student of Qi on October 10, 2017, 04:51:13 PM
Well the point is that he did not have anything to say in response to the 500 ft contention, and it is a pretty bit contention!

As for your uncles place, this does not have much to do with this video. The reason you see more when you go up is simply because you have a greater perspective of the flat earth. The point of the video I posted is to show something that is physically impossible according to the mathematics of the globe earth. It completely undermines it.

The same is illustrated in this video

https://youtu.be/VqD2a-zifYE
Well, if this video illustrates the same thing... we have a BIG problem. Now, If I honestly have to go by what is seen, the water and other scenery looks like it's curved in the video when he's using the binocular/telescope/zooming device (whatever it's called!) to view the tower. It seems to me like one is looking up hill. The next problem is that at the end of the video he admits it could just be refraction. There can't be a definitive answer/result when there is still an impedement, and that being the refraction.
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/geoopt/refr.html
As one who suffers not having 20/20 vision, I can tell you from first hand knowledge that the wearing of some glasses can make the ground immediately in front of you appear to protrude as though it were a hill, creating an illusion. So, while refraction is still a possibility - especially since he is utilising more then one lense - this material is not good enough for me, so I reject it as insufficient of accuracy and certainty.
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: DZ PLEASE on October 10, 2017, 08:54:32 PM

..., you've got  the FEers on the edge...
Saw what you did there...
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: DZ PLEASE on October 10, 2017, 08:57:26 PM
Go back to playing with your crayons.
Of course you are "entitled" to sustain your own malice and stupidity as you like as well so, "carry on".
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: kiwiboy on October 11, 2017, 12:52:47 PM
Well, if this video illustrates the same thing... we have a BIG problem.

Now, If I honestly have to go by what is seen, the water and other scenery looks like it's curved in the video when he's using the binocular/telescope/zooming device (whatever it's called!) to view the tower.

 It seems to me like one is looking up hill.

 The next problem is that at the end of the video he admits it could just be refraction. There can't be a definitive answer/result when there is still an impedement, and that being the refraction.
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/geoopt/refr.html


As one who suffers not having 20/20 vision, I can tell you from first hand knowledge that the wearing of some glasses can make the ground immediately in front of you appear to protrude as though it were a hill, creating an illusion. So, while refraction is still a possibility - especially since he is utilising more then one lense - this material is not good enough for me, so I reject it as insufficient of accuracy and certainty.

 Water seems like it is curved? It doesn't seem so to me, but this has nothing to do with the point of the video!

He never admits it could be refraction. Go back and read it like I did. He said "Can refraction really be the cause of this phenomena or does the earth just not look like a ball?" . He says this AFTER having shown that it could not have been refaction. So it is a rhetorical question.

It is unfortunate that he talks about the earth not "looking" like a ball, cause that has nothing to do with the experiment, but it's not important. He still makes the point sufficiently.

You cannot reject this based on refraction because we are talking about air refraction and not through water and glass like your link and reference talk about.

He also points out that there is not much moisture in the air and not much temperature difference in the air, which rules out refraction. The only downside is that he does not provide temperature and humidity measurements to show that. But this is irrelevant because you can SEE for yourself that this is the case.

Bear in mind that any kinks in the experiments are ironed out by repetition in different conditions. Something any good scientist will tell you is important. Here therefore is another one.


https://youtu.be/TTP9i1mUDHM

The more evidence you see of this, the less you will be able to reject this evidence.
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: MyrnaM on October 19, 2017, 09:39:00 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CETyrjlJBgw&feature=player_embedded (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CETyrjlJBgw&feature=player_embedded)



Particularly watch at 2:50 forward
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: DZ PLEASE on October 19, 2017, 09:46:54 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CETyrjlJBgw&feature=player_embedded (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CETyrjlJBgw&feature=player_embedded)



Particularly watch at 2:50 forward
@2:50 (https://youtu.be/CETyrjlJBgw?t=2m50s)
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: monka966 on October 19, 2017, 11:57:50 AM
How about Globus Cruciger? A christian symbol of authority since the Middle Ages.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvator_Mundi#/media/File:Carlo_Crivelli,_salvatore,_c._1470,_El_Paso_Museum_of_Art.jpg

Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: MyrnaM on October 21, 2017, 10:05:06 AM
How about Globus Cruciger? A christian symbol of authority since the Middle Ages.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvator_Mundi#/media/File:Carlo_Crivelli,_salvatore,_c._1470,_El_Paso_Museum_of_Art.jpg
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"The ball was supposed to represent the earth, with the cross on top representing Christ's dominion over it, and the sovereign would hold it to show that "he's got the whole world in his hands." The earliest of these dates to the fifth century, before the fall of Rome, and they were used throughout the Middle Ages. In fact, orbs without the cross were common for centuries beforehand. Thus, any claim that the ancients or medievals thought the earth was flat can't even get started." 

Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: TKGS on October 21, 2017, 11:32:06 AM
You're wasting your time, Myrna.  These people are like Feeneyites.  It's a dogma to them that will not change no matter what the Church, science, or reality says.
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: DZ PLEASE on October 21, 2017, 11:52:06 AM
You're wasting your time, Myrna.  These people are like Feeneyites.  It's a dogma to them that will not change no matter what the Church, science, or reality says.
Cheap, and unjust, comparison.
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: DZ PLEASE on October 21, 2017, 11:55:37 AM
Hmm...It seems to me flatEarthers are more like those who reject the EENS Dogma. Elevating to Dogma that which is not; eg. claiming that suprema haec is dogmatic when it clearly contradicts many infallible teachings and perfectly coincides with V2 heresy.
Glad you're "feelin' scrappy" man, cuz I'm not. It's all too "lather, rinse, and repeat" tiresome, not to mention more than a bit "Jєωfinger".

The squeaky wheels get the rest of us greased, in a forties gangster sorta way.

Of course, it's also dishonest, manipulative, and a bit bullying to even use words like "Feeneyite" in the first place.

Each time it's responded to  just gives weight to falsehood.

Did I mention "effeminate"?
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: MyrnaM on October 21, 2017, 11:55:49 AM
You're wasting your time, Myrna.  These people are like Feeneyites.  It's a dogma to them that will not change no matter what the Church, science, or reality says.
I know that!   
I feel for the lurkers who read their FlatFantasy ideas, especially Catholics who might be convinced that their junk food is a dogma of faith.  
I don't understand the science of it and don't need to know it, for I was inspired to search for the story of the Miraculous Medal one day while thinking about this subject, and that was all the answer I needed.  
Just trying to keep it simple.  
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: Tradplorable on October 21, 2017, 12:10:27 PM

I don't understand the science of it and don't need to know it, for I was inspired to search for the story of the Miraculous Medal one day while thinking about this subject, and that was all the answer I needed.  
Just trying to keep it simple.  
What a cop out.
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Myrna cannot claim ignorance, no matter how hard she tries.
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I truly think God is not going to hold anyone accountable for something they had no idea of. The punishment due to one's ignorance would be mitigated. If one dies without ever having given any thought to the shape of the earth, I do not believe God will condemn him.
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However, if one has been presented with the truth and shown the obvious science and Bible references and then still  CHOOSES to reject this, I fear would have a different outcome.
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: MyrnaM on October 21, 2017, 12:32:12 PM
What a cop out.
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Myrna cannot claim ignorance, no matter how hard she tries.
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I truly think God is not going to hold anyone accountable for something they had no idea of. The punishment due to one's ignorance would be mitigated. If one dies without ever having given any thought to the shape of the earth, I do not believe God will condemn him.
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However, if one has been presented with the truth and shown the obvious science and Bible references and then still  CHOOSES to reject this, I fear would have a different outcome.
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Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: Tradplorable on October 21, 2017, 12:39:52 PM
Scripture Passages that describe the Earth as Flat please. Also, what moral law/commandment would be broken, or Dogma rejected, that would warrant hell if one knows of FE but rejects it?
You've been given the "compass" passages many times, and you continue to scoff at them.
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What is a compass, in your opinion?
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If you really think a compass is a globe, you would be totally wrong.
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If you CHOOSE to reject Isaiah 40:22, and Job 26:10 do you think there is no culpability for a rejection of these parts of the Bible?
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Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: DZ PLEASE on October 21, 2017, 12:41:27 PM
It's always like that. They get there little cheap shots in and then complain that we talk about it too much when retaliating to their ridiculousness.
Feel you "dawg".

Bullies. Maybe people like "Freedom" are correct in their approach after all; maybe we should just throw prudence to the wind and pummel these blokes mercilessly with copy/paste like "lover of truth."

You ever go monster on someone who keeps stupidly calling you one, or crazy for someone who thinks they're a shrink?

If they really thought that...

Contrast and compare can be very 'educational".

Some people grow complacent behind a keyboard; these are the same sorts that cry in disbelief when their "ragefinger" gets them ventilated IRL.

Pathetic.
It's like when I was a kid and my dad told me, after my ignorantly using the "N" word, "You can say that all you like, just as long as you say it in Compton."

Not his exact words, but it gets the point across.
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: Tradplorable on October 21, 2017, 12:42:56 PM
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There is not a flat earther here who has rejected Our Lady's Miraculous Medal message, Myrna. Not one.
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They have accepted the truth of her message more than you have because they actually fully understand the object she holds in her hand to be the entirety of Creation.
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They did not twist her words (as YOU did) to minimize what she holds to be only the earth.
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: Truth is Eternal on October 21, 2017, 12:54:06 PM
You're wasting your time, Myrna.  These people are like Feeneyites.  It's a dogma to them that will not change no matter what the Church, science, or reality says.
Our Church is the Catholic Church; I am not so sure about the rest of you types.
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: DZ PLEASE on October 21, 2017, 12:55:54 PM
Our Church is the Catholic Church; I am not so sure about the rest of you types.

J. Welby
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: DZ PLEASE on October 21, 2017, 01:11:48 PM
First, Isaiah does not say it's flat, whether you think it says circle or globe.
Second, this would contradict other places in Scripture which describe the Earth as having four corners. Since this is the case, these words from Pope Leo XIII apply to you. Your interpretation is senseless and false.
If it contradicts them, then end-of-day they don't care.

Why? Because they're not Catholic.

It's "Theistic FEism" for lack of better, not Catholicism.
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: Tradplorable on October 21, 2017, 01:28:34 PM
First, Isaiah does not say it's flat, whether you think it says circle or globe.
Second, this would contradict other places in Scripture which describe the Earth as having four corners.
A circle is, by definition, flat.
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There is no contradiction with Scripture's mention of "corners" and "quarters," as these have also been demonstrated to you on the FE model, but you choose to scoff at them.
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Have you ever been to the Four Corners? Same concept. This really isn't that hard to grasp.
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(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/ff/Four_Corners%2C_NM%2C_reconstructed_monument_in_2010.jpg/1200px-Four_Corners%2C_NM%2C_reconstructed_monument_in_2010.jpg)
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: Tradplorable on October 21, 2017, 02:25:37 PM
First, on the example that you provided there are exactly 12 corners.


A corner is a 90 degree angle, no? Please show me your (12) 90 degree angles.
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: Tradplorable on October 21, 2017, 02:27:57 PM
First, on the example that you provided there are exactly 12 corners.

Second, if the passages were referring to the four corners that touch on the inside at the center of the circle, the passages do not make sense. "I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth". Were they standing back to back holding the four winds. Does this also imply that all the wind on Earth, which is only four in toto, have their origin in the center of the Earth, which is Jerusalem according to you guys?

Third, in Isaiah 40:22 it says that "It is he that sitteth upon the globe/circle of the earth", but in Isaiah 66:1 it says "Heaven is my throne, and the earth my footstool". So which is it? Is the Earth God's seat because He sits upon it or is it His Footstool since heaven is His Throne? Either He sits upon the Earth or Heaven.

Maybe you should start thinking of a different way to interpret the Holy Scriptures. At least stop condemning people who interpret them correctly, for your own soul's sake.
You still did not tell me what you think a compass is.
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: Tradplorable on October 21, 2017, 07:44:54 PM

Third, in Isaiah 40:22 it says that "It is he that sitteth upon the globe/circle of the earth", but in Isaiah 66:1 it says "Heaven is my throne, and the earth my footstool". So which is it? Is the Earth God's seat because He sits upon it or is it His Footstool since heaven is His Throne? Either He sits upon the Earth or Heaven.


Upon = over.
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Read the Latin: super - over, above, atop, beyond, up.
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He sitteth over the circle of the earth.
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As for the Isaiah 66:1, it means Heaven (where He sits on His throne) is ABOVE the earth, which is His footstool to His throne.
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Your globe model makes Isaiah 66:1 impossible, since on a globe Heaven is "out" in any direction, but the Bible plainly says Heaven is above the earth.
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: Viva Cristo Rey on October 22, 2017, 09:03:14 AM
Our Lady of the Miraculous Medal, 
Pray for us. 

I think we all have better things to do than debate if the world is flat or not.  We should be doing what Jesus and Mary wants us to do. And we should do it now. 

And many of you need to stop making things so complicated.  And who cares about bad Popes. We have had bad popes in the past.  Some repented and some did not.  It is up to all of us to keep the faith.  Not just know it but to live it.  





Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: DZ PLEASE on October 22, 2017, 12:34:54 PM
Our Lady of the Miraculous Medal,
Pray for us.

I think we all have better things to do than debate if the world is flat or not.  We should be doing what Jesus and Mary wants us to do. And we should do it now.

And many of you need to stop making things so complicated.  And who cares about bad Popes. We have had bad popes in the past.  Some repented and some did not.  It is up to all of us to keep the faith.  Not just know it but to live it.  
  For one ma'am, because in spite of modern and pernicious trends, who and what the alleged Supreme pastor, teacher, and judge, the Vicar of Christ, is says and does actually matters.

  This whole "who cares" attitude is not just anti- Catholic and so anti-Christ; it is also a widespread vice of epidemic proportions fed by, among other things, the entire "Recognize and Resist" racket.

  We are bound to far more that just the irreformable (i.e. "infallible") under, AT MINIMUM, the pain of mortal sin which will send you, and anyone else straight to hell.

  We the pope speaks, "He who hears...." people damn well better buck up and bloody listen.

 Peter used to stand and speak, and that was that; 'member Pentecost? 

 Where is the Holy Spirit? Where all the saints? There they are.

 Now we stand, speak, and scratch ourselves, and our itching ears.

 Now we make our own saints, of Protestants, fαɢɢօts, pretty much anyone "nice" which excludes Catholics inevitably, like now.

 Why and how do you think we got here? "As goes the Church, so goes the world", "Omnia malo a clero"... "Omnia bonum a clero"; do those ring any bells?

We got here because "who cares"?

YOu know what, you're right; "Who cares?"

I'll bet that's exactly why we have no pope, because we didn't, and wouldn't REALLY care anyway what he said or did so, why not "rent-a-clone" instead.

"Church Militant"?

What a joke; No, it's  "church mob" or "church gaggle" like a bunch of easily decapitated geese. "FORE! Who likes Pez?"

You know what happens to a mob in war ma'am? They break, rout, bleed, and die... screaming.

You seem like a nice lady, so I esp. don't want to cause you undue distress; however, to return that "niceness" first to God, WAKE up!

Complacency kills, all the way through the dirt, all the way to Hell.
Let the whining commence, then we'll see the claws and teeth pop from the "Laissez-faire", oh so tolerant, woolly pack of liberal fakes "congregating" here; who's first?
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: MyrnaM on October 22, 2017, 02:32:22 PM
A circle is, by definition, flat.
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There is no contradiction with Scripture's mention of "corners" and "quarters," as these have also been demonstrated to you on the FE model, but you choose to scoff at them.
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Have you ever been to the Four Corners? Same concept. This really isn't that hard to grasp.
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(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/ff/Four_Corners%2C_NM%2C_reconstructed_monument_in_2010.jpg/1200px-Four_Corners%2C_NM%2C_reconstructed_monument_in_2010.jpg)
 
I had not noticed the word "flat" in any definition mainly it is defined as A circle is a shape consisting of a curved line. 
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: DZ PLEASE on October 22, 2017, 03:10:33 PM

I had not noticed the word "flat" in any definition mainly it is defined as A circle is a shape consisting of a curved line.
A circle, (Euclidean) geometrically speaking, is "two dimensional". 

Any "circle" contingent upon 3+ dimensions, which likely includes any external sense objects are representative and not actually circles such as with the given image. 

Why? because they have "thickness", such as with a cylinder. 

Circles are curious things though, because their "length" is their "width" which would seem to make them one, not two, dimensional. 

But Feists and abstraction don't tend to get on well, so this is likely a waste of time; however, it does serve to show the folly of straying from the true Liberal Arts.
Title: Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
Post by: Tradplorable on October 22, 2017, 04:36:36 PM
 For one ma'am, because in spite of modern and pernicious trends, who and what the alleged Supreme pastor, teacher, and judge, the Vicar of Christ, is says and does actually matters.

  This whole "who cares" attitude is not just anti- Catholic and so anti-Christ; it is also a widespread vice of epidemic proportions fed by, among other things, the entire "Recognize and Resist" racket.

  We are bound to far more that just the irreformable (i.e. "infallible") under, AT MINIMUM, the pain of mortal sin which will send you, and anyone else straight to hell.

  We the pope speaks, "He who hears...." people damn well better buck up and bloody listen.

 Peter used to stand and speak, and that was that; 'member Pentecost?

 Where is the Holy Spirit? Where all the saints? There they are.

 Now we stand, speak, and scratch ourselves, and our itching ears.

 Now we make our own saints, of Protestants, fαɢɢօts, pretty much anyone "nice" which excludes Catholics inevitably, like now.

 Why and how do you think we got here? "As goes the Church, so goes the world", "Omnia malo a clero"... "Omnia bonum a clero"; do those ring any bells?

We got here because "who cares"?

YOu know what, you're right; "Who cares?"

I'll bet that's exactly why we have no pope, because we didn't, and wouldn't REALLY care anyway what he said or did so, why not "rent-a-clone" instead.

"Church Militant"?

What a joke; No, it's  "church mob" or "church gaggle" like a bunch of easily decapitated geese. "FORE! Who likes Pez?"

You know what happens to a mob in war ma'am? They break, rout, bleed, and die... screaming.

You seem like a nice lady, so I esp. don't want to cause you undue distress; however, to return that "niceness" first to God, WAKE up!

Complacency kills, all the way through the dirt, all the way to Hell.
Let the whining commence, then we'll see the claws and teeth pop from the "Laissez-faire", oh so tolerant, woolly pack of liberal fakes "congregating" here; who's first?
Seems Dizzy's having another of his manic episodes. Can't make heads or tails of this post.