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Offline Student of Qi

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Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
« Reply #120 on: October 10, 2017, 11:13:21 AM »
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  • Student of Qi,

    A good analysis? Would you mind telling me exactly what was good about his analysis?

    So far as I could see he failed to explain why we were seeing so much (500feet) of the mountain.

    Please do elaborate.


    On a general point to everyone, the attempt to make flat earthers look stupid won't work. Our case is thoroughly scientific, thoroughly doctrinal and thoroughly scriptural.

    The following users need not respond to my posts anymore because they have shown themselves to be incapable of rational discussion about this topic;

    Neil Obstat,
    DZ Please,
    Even Seven,
    Myrna.

    I'm not going to spend the whole day digging up the old posts, but Neil pointed out various ways that the measurments were not fully accurate, like putting the camera on the sand and saying that was sea level. Of course, he likely couldn't put the camera on top of tge water or there would never be a video!
    Can't say I remember his response to the 500 ft. contention but, I vaguely remember being of the opinion that it was a logical conclision.
    Anyway, Neils thoughts aside from present, off the original topic discusion, why does this video presented not align with what I saw multiple times at my Uncle's place? (See my previous post) Presuming no errant presentation on either side, why does the island not disappear in tge video but the ships and riggs disappear before my eyes?
       How would this be possible on one part of the world and not another???
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    Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
    « Reply #121 on: October 10, 2017, 11:36:24 AM »
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  • Anyway, Neils thoughts aside from present, off the original topic discusion, why does this video presented not align with what I saw multiple times at my Uncle's place? (See my previous post) Presuming no errant presentation on either side, why does the island not disappear in tge video but the ships and riggs disappear before my eyes?

    Being you are obviously engaging with the things of nature, using your senses in unison to formulate a conclusion, which some of us refer to as "common sense," you are somehow a "agent of NASA."

    I'd find it most interesting, to know what type of professions and hobbies FEer's partake in...


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    Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
    « Reply #122 on: October 10, 2017, 11:43:38 AM »
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  • Thanks for not "black listing" me... too kind!
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    Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
    « Reply #123 on: October 10, 2017, 11:43:45 AM »
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  • Can't say I remember his response to the 500 ft. contention but, I vaguely remember being of the opinion that it was a logical conclision.
    Anyway, Neils thoughts aside from present, off the original topic discusion, why does this video presented not align with what I saw multiple times at my Uncle's place? (See my previous post) Presuming no errant presentation on either side, why does the island not disappear in tge video but the ships and riggs disappear before my eyes?
       How would this be possible on one part of the world and not another???

    Well the point is that he did not have anything to say in response to the 500 ft contention, and it is a pretty bit contention!

    As for your uncles place, this does not have much to do with this video. The reason you see more when you go up is simply because you have a greater perspective of the flat earth. The point of the video I posted is to show something that is physically impossible according to the mathematics of the globe earth. It completely undermines it.

    The same is illustrated in this video

    Eclipses neither prove nor disprove the flat earth.

    "As for whether or not I work for NASA, I'm sorry, but I fail to understand what that could possibly have to do with anything" Neil Obstat, 08-03-2017

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    Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
    « Reply #124 on: October 10, 2017, 11:50:43 AM »
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    Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
    « Reply #125 on: October 10, 2017, 11:58:43 AM »
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  • no one quite says it like the king...

    You mean me right?


    Thank you very much....





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    Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
    « Reply #126 on: October 10, 2017, 01:01:26 PM »
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  • Presuming no errant presentation on either side, why does the island not disappear in tge video but the ships and riggs disappear before my eyes?
       How would this be possible on one part of the world and not another???
    Because the flat plane of earth scrolls away from you as you gain altitude toward an ever-lengthening convergence point. This is due to perspective.
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    Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
    « Reply #127 on: October 10, 2017, 04:36:13 PM »
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  • Being you are obviously engaging with the things of nature, using your senses in unison to formulate a conclusion, which some of us refer to as "common sense," you are somehow a "agent of NASA."

    I'd find it most interesting, to know what type of professions and hobbies FEer's partake in...
    Well, Danggit. If I'm their agent they could at least send me a paycheck now and then. My family has bills to pay and I don't work for free (though I do make exceptions for some people). I need to send them a complaint later this week.
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    Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
    « Reply #128 on: October 10, 2017, 04:42:50 PM »
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  • Well, Danggit. If I'm their agent they could at least send me a paycheck now and then. My family has bills to pay and I don't work for free (though I do make exceptions for some people). I need to send them a complaint later this week.
    Don't worry, they'll come through for you, eventually... the IMF must just be doing some routine maintenance on their printing presses.. :P
    P.S. Keep up the good work, you've got  the FEers on the edge...

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    Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
    « Reply #129 on: October 10, 2017, 04:51:13 PM »
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  • Well the point is that he did not have anything to say in response to the 500 ft contention, and it is a pretty bit contention!

    As for your uncles place, this does not have much to do with this video. The reason you see more when you go up is simply because you have a greater perspective of the flat earth. The point of the video I posted is to show something that is physically impossible according to the mathematics of the globe earth. It completely undermines it.

    The same is illustrated in this video


    Well, if this video illustrates the same thing... we have a BIG problem. Now, If I honestly have to go by what is seen, the water and other scenery looks like it's curved in the video when he's using the binocular/telescope/zooming device (whatever it's called!) to view the tower. It seems to me like one is looking up hill. The next problem is that at the end of the video he admits it could just be refraction. There can't be a definitive answer/result when there is still an impedement, and that being the refraction.
    http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/geoopt/refr.html
    As one who suffers not having 20/20 vision, I can tell you from first hand knowledge that the wearing of some glasses can make the ground immediately in front of you appear to protrude as though it were a hill, creating an illusion. So, while refraction is still a possibility - especially since he is utilising more then one lense - this material is not good enough for me, so I reject it as insufficient of accuracy and certainty.
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    Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
    « Reply #130 on: October 10, 2017, 08:54:32 PM »
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  • ..., you've got  the FEers on the edge...
    Saw what you did there...
    "Lord, have mercy".


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    Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
    « Reply #131 on: October 10, 2017, 08:57:26 PM »
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  • Go back to playing with your crayons.
    Of course you are "entitled" to sustain your own malice and stupidity as you like as well so, "carry on".
    "Lord, have mercy".

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    Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
    « Reply #132 on: October 11, 2017, 12:52:47 PM »
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  • Well, if this video illustrates the same thing... we have a BIG problem.

    Now, If I honestly have to go by what is seen, the water and other scenery looks like it's curved in the video when he's using the binocular/telescope/zooming device (whatever it's called!) to view the tower.

     It seems to me like one is looking up hill.

     The next problem is that at the end of the video he admits it could just be refraction. There can't be a definitive answer/result when there is still an impedement, and that being the refraction.
    http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/geoopt/refr.html


    As one who suffers not having 20/20 vision, I can tell you from first hand knowledge that the wearing of some glasses can make the ground immediately in front of you appear to protrude as though it were a hill, creating an illusion. So, while refraction is still a possibility - especially since he is utilising more then one lense - this material is not good enough for me, so I reject it as insufficient of accuracy and certainty.

     Water seems like it is curved? It doesn't seem so to me, but this has nothing to do with the point of the video!

    He never admits it could be refraction. Go back and read it like I did. He said "Can refraction really be the cause of this phenomena or does the earth just not look like a ball?" . He says this AFTER having shown that it could not have been refaction. So it is a rhetorical question.

    It is unfortunate that he talks about the earth not "looking" like a ball, cause that has nothing to do with the experiment, but it's not important. He still makes the point sufficiently.

    You cannot reject this based on refraction because we are talking about air refraction and not through water and glass like your link and reference talk about.

    He also points out that there is not much moisture in the air and not much temperature difference in the air, which rules out refraction. The only downside is that he does not provide temperature and humidity measurements to show that. But this is irrelevant because you can SEE for yourself that this is the case.

    Bear in mind that any kinks in the experiments are ironed out by repetition in different conditions. Something any good scientist will tell you is important. Here therefore is another one.




    The more evidence you see of this, the less you will be able to reject this evidence.
    Eclipses neither prove nor disprove the flat earth.

    "As for whether or not I work for NASA, I'm sorry, but I fail to understand what that could possibly have to do with anything" Neil Obstat, 08-03-2017

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    Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
    « Reply #133 on: October 19, 2017, 09:39:00 AM »
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  • Particularly watch at 2:50 forward
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    Re: End of Story at least for Catholics
    « Reply #134 on: October 19, 2017, 09:46:54 AM »
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  • "Lord, have mercy".