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Offline cassini

Email from Robert Sungenis
« Reply #10 on: October 28, 2016, 01:09:20 PM »
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Poor Robert Sungenis needs to wake up and smell the coffee.

It's not just the LIBERAL Catholics who have rejected Scripture and Tradition when it somes to geocentrism, it's the majority of Traditionalists too.

The SSPX holds an official position publicly against geocentrism as of 2011, they won't allow Sungenis to speak at any SSPX parishes or show his film, and the pro-SSPX discussion boards do not even ALLOW discussion of geocentrism.


Fear not!  Sungenis has no need "to wake up and smell the coffee" concerning the rejection of Scripture and Tradition as regards geocentrism by so many traditional Catholics.  He has been painfully aware of it for many years.

Perhaps, one of the most acute illustrations of this rejection came about with the October 2003 issue of The Angelus, the journal of record so to speak for the SSPX in the United States.  It carried a cover story authored by one Jason Winschel, a junior high school teacher: "Galileo, Victim or Villain."  This infamous article actually promotes heliocentrism while deriding geocentrism.  Dr. Sungenis (who was spoken of by name in the article) was denied the opportunity to have published within The Angelus an unredacted refutation of this article.  I personally pleaded on Dr. Sungenis' behalf directly to the people at The Angelus, but still to no avail.


‘On the other hand Galileo was right about heliocentricism. Moreover, some of his theological wanderings eventually found themselves mirrored in several papal encyclicals of the last two centuries. Providentissimus Deus by Leo XIII and Humani Generis by Pope Pius XII, for instance, both have pieces that could have been extracted from Galileo’s Letters to the Grand Duchess Christina… Galileo seems to have won out both on theological as well as scientific grounds…’   J.T. Winschel: Galileo, Victim or Villain, The Angelus, Oct. 2003, p.38.
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Offline happenby

Email from Robert Sungenis
« Reply #11 on: October 28, 2016, 03:58:27 PM »
Quote from: cassini
Quote from: klasG4e
mw2016
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Poor Robert Sungenis needs to wake up and smell the coffee.

It's not just the LIBERAL Catholics who have rejected Scripture and Tradition when it somes to geocentrism, it's the majority of Traditionalists too.

The SSPX holds an official position publicly against geocentrism as of 2011, they won't allow Sungenis to speak at any SSPX parishes or show his film, and the pro-SSPX discussion boards do not even ALLOW discussion of geocentrism.


Fear not!  Sungenis has no need "to wake up and smell the coffee" concerning the rejection of Scripture and Tradition as regards geocentrism by so many traditional Catholics.  He has been painfully aware of it for many years.

Perhaps, one of the most acute illustrations of this rejection came about with the October 2003 issue of The Angelus, the journal of record so to speak for the SSPX in the United States.  It carried a cover story authored by one Jason Winschel, a junior high school teacher: "Galileo, Victim or Villain."  This infamous article actually promotes heliocentrism while deriding geocentrism.  Dr. Sungenis (who was spoken of by name in the article) was denied the opportunity to have published within The Angelus an unredacted refutation of this article.  I personally pleaded on Dr. Sungenis' behalf directly to the people at The Angelus, but still to no avail.


‘On the other hand Galileo was right about heliocentricism. Moreover, some of his theological wanderings eventually found themselves mirrored in several papal encyclicals of the last two centuries. Providentissimus Deus by Leo XIII and Humani Generis by Pope Pius XII, for instance, both have pieces that could have been extracted from Galileo’s Letters to the Grand Duchess Christina… Galileo seems to have won out both on theological as well as scientific grounds…’   J.T. Winschel: Galileo, Victim or Villain, The Angelus, Oct. 2003, p.38.



Actually, Galielo was wrong about heliocentrism and the Church officially condemned his propositions, namely:

Due to the spread of the Copernican theory and complaints of theologians, the Holy Office in 1633 condemned the following propositions and explained why they are false:


I. The sun is the center of the world and completely immovable by local motion.
II. The earth is not the center of the world, not immovable, but moves according to the
whole of itself, and also with a diurnal motion.



We say, pronounce, sentence, and declare that you, the said Galileo, by reason of the matters adduced in trial, and by you confessed as above, have rendered yourself in the judgment of this Holy Office vehemently suspected of heresy, namely, of having believed and held the doctrine—which is false and contrary to the sacred and divine Scriptures—that the Sun is the center of the world and does not move from east to west and that the Earth moves and is not the center of the world;
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Offline happenby

Email from Robert Sungenis
« Reply #12 on: October 28, 2016, 04:00:24 PM »
Also, a former reply of mine on page one of this thread shows an excerpt from the Pontifical Decrees book that the Church fully employed infallibility in its decrees on this issue.
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