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Edward Hendrie's book?
« on: September 23, 2021, 05:09:04 PM »
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  • I'm still exploring this position and came across Edward Hendrie's book "The Greatest Lie on Earth". I know the man is a virulent anti-Catholic, but it appears to be a pretty extensive Biblical treatment of the subject. Has anyone read it? Is it worth reading? The Kindle sample has me intrigued.
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]


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    Re: Edward Hendrie's book?
    « Reply #1 on: September 26, 2021, 12:12:21 PM »
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  • I just ordered the Kindle version of this.  Looks interesting.


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    Re: Edward Hendrie's book?
    « Reply #2 on: September 26, 2021, 02:28:50 PM »
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  • It's not bad so far, and he makes a pretty good case against refraction as proof of the earth's curvature.
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: Edward Hendrie's book?
    « Reply #3 on: October 07, 2021, 07:17:13 PM »
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  • I'm on chapter 36 of this book, and it's been well worth the purchase. The range of topics the author covers to support the Flat Earth model is robust. The only real problem I have with it is his Biblical exegesis, which, of course, is lacking because of his Protestantism. In short, if you read this book, maybe skim over his chapters on Biblical exegesis. He does find some very good points, but also makes a lot of errors.

    For example, in chapter 34 "What does the Bible say?", based upon the KJV (of course), the author initially condemns those who misunderstand the importance of the Genesis account, and God's role in creation, to quote: "To have a false concept of God's creation gives one a false concept of God." An agreeable point, and certainly relevant to the rampant Scientism today which has corrupted a Biblical worldview, most importantly that of Genesis. He follows this with the assertion, "If one believes in a creation that does not exist, he also necessarily believes in a creator that does not exist. It is important, therefore, to have an accurate understanding of God's creation." Yet another point I don't disagree with.

    But, then he immediately goes of the rails by attempting to pontificate the Flat Earth model as an unimpeachable truth of Scripture: "A Jesus who creates a spherical, moving earth is a different Jesus from the true Jesus in the Bible." Not quite. The Church, in response to Galileo, supported a geocentric model of the universe. But has not spoken on the shape of the earth. You could yet have a globular earth fixed in place with the universe revolving around it. It does not necessitate that it be flat. The emphasis on the immobile earth central to the universe is a matter of faith, which falls in the realm of the Church. But, whether or not it is spherical or flat is a matter for natural science, not necessarily the Church, to settle. Therefore, the author errs because he puts his faith in a single translation of the Bible rather than any established tradition since the time of Christ, such as the Roman Catholic Church.

    Furthermore, he condemns Christian scientists by stating "They take the view that the Bible is true about everything, except scientific "facts." True. Again, though, while the Bible itself may have statements that are explicit about the formation of the world, establishing something as de fide requires it be a matter of faith and morals; not that of natural science. But, this is speaking as a Catholic. This author is a Protestant heretic and apostate from the Catholic Faith, so certainly he would fall into the error of natural science needing to be found in Sacred Scripture.

    He makes several good points going on, but seems to have a problem, as most Protestants do, with looking only at the literal sense of the Scriptures while neglecting the allegorical, tropological and anagogical senses. For example, "It is the sun that travels in a circuit, not the earth." Agreed; "What is a circuit? It is a continuous circular route that starts and ends in the same place." I don't necessarily disagree with this, but, must state that 'circuit' could also reference the sun in such a position over a flat plane, or, it's position in orbit around a stationary globe.

    Later in the same chapter, he references Isaias 40:22, citing the same discrepancies I had with the 1750 Douay-Rheims translation of the passage, which uses "globe" for the Latin gyrum, which literally translates to "compass" as found in the 1610 DR Bible. Which is more of a niggle on the part of the translator, Bp. Challoner, due to common opinion of a spherical globe, rather than a "corruption" that the author insists that it is out of "a centuries old plan by Satan." Condemning the 1750 Douay as "given over entirely to following after 'science falsely so called' in direct opposition to God's admonition."

    The last thing I wanted to point out was the serious error of his conception of God, ironically, found after initially condemning those who have incorrect ideas of God, due to his anthropomorphizing the Almighty in some of his exegesis. Most notably, the following:
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    "Where is God's habitation? God's habitation is in heaven. God's throne is heaven and the earth as his footstool. 'Thus saith the LORD, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?' (Isaiah 66:1) Footstools are not spherical. God can only look over the inhabitants of the earth from one location if the earth is flat."

    Yes, but, this is a common fallacy of sola scriptura Protestants, who look at the letter of the Word as a description directly applicable to God Himself. God, in His essence, does not have an earthly body, therefore, it does not necessitate Him to be seated or to "look" at the earth by any means due to His omniscience. He is present among all things at all times because He holds them in existence.

    The author once more places limitations on the Lord God because of his erroneous view of Scripture:
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    "God states that he looks upon all the inhabitants of the earth from one location, his place of habitation in heaven. 'From the place of his habitation he looketh upon all the inhabitants of the earth.' (Psalms 33:14) It is not possible for God to look upon all of the inhabitants of the earth on a globe from one location;"

    God is omniscient. The author falls into his own fallacy of having the wrong idea about God. If the earth is flat or spherical, He can look upon all things simultaneously because He is above all things and knows all things in one act of knowing. The author ignorantly anthropomorphizes Almighty God with his presupposition that the earth is flat (which I don't agree or disagree with).

    Do I think the book is worth reading? Yes. I think many of the proofs he provides in regard to natural science and the machinations of the ʝʊdɛօ-Masonic conspiracy are definitely worth reading. But, I caution any Catholics who read this book expecting a Biblical exegesis that is in line with Church teaching. You won't necessarily find that here. I'm not denigrating all of his exegesis, as he does make some very valid observations about Scripture (I recommend reading the excerpts cited from a Catholic Bible, though) that do support a Flat Earth model.
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: Edward Hendrie's book?
    « Reply #4 on: October 13, 2021, 09:02:17 PM »
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  • Alright, it was a good book on the subject for the first 3/4. Then it just got into every trope and anti-Catholic idea you could imagine. I made it to about chapter 40 before I decided that was all the Catholic-bashing I could stomach. It was certainly worth $4 on Kindle. Definitely check it out for the Flat Earth stuff.

    Here's my 3/5 review I posted on Goodreads:


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    The last third of the book is certainly not for Catholics.
    It started off really engrossing and very engaging. There were a lot of practical points made in regard to the flat earth theory, backed up by empirical evidence such as photographs and trigonometrical solutions. Then, it delved into the wider global conspiracy involving the Kabbalistic Jєωs, the Masons, and their connections to NASA. Again, a lot of good points were made about the faked moon landings, the motivations behind doing so, the persistence of NASA in their continued deceptions of the ISS and CGI space images. Then it got into the Kabbalah, and the interesting connections between Kabbalistic cosmology and its parity with the ideas of modern "science". But, eventually, it fell off of the deep end. In an effort to explain the propaganda and psy-ops perpetrated on the unsuspecting American public, the author spends a long chapter going over the supposed 9/11 attacks and the Kennedy assassination in an effort to string them together to the wider conspiracy. I felt this was unnecessary. Then, as I expected since this comes from an apostate Catholic, the attacks on the Roman Catholic Church took up the remaining chapters of the book. Postulations ranging from Catholicism being a gnostic-Kabbalistic perversion of Christianity, the whore of Babylon (arguably applicable to what calls itself the Catholic Church today), to the Jesuits being crypto-Jєωs and violent, moustache-twirling villains driving the Vatican behind the scenes. Any possible Protestant grievance one could drum up about the Church is there in a neat package. Again, it seemed like a long tangent from the initial subject of the flat earth conspiracy, more or less serving as a means to serve the author's personal vendetta against Catholicism rather than provide direct relevance to the topic at hand.
    Overall, I would read maybe the first 37 chapters of the book if you're interested in flat earth. And skim or skip the sections pertaining to the author's own (flawed) Biblical exegesis (he condemns other for having the "wrong" idea about God because of flat earth, but then turns around an anthropomorphizes God), and his blasphemous attack on Catholicism. Had the author not gone off on these tangents and stuck to supporting the flat earth position, it would have been a 4-5 star book.

    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]


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    Re: Edward Hendrie's book?
    « Reply #5 on: October 16, 2021, 09:03:07 AM »
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  • Thus far, I've read about one third of it.  His case against globe earth is totally devastating.

    If anyone is interested, you can get a Kindle Edition for $3.99 on Amazon ...
    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/194305603X/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=194305603X&linkCode=as2&tag=httpwwwchanco-20 />

    With regard to the anti-Catholic stuff, unfortunately there's some truth to the fact that people like Copernicus and Lemaitre and a lot of the Jesuits/Modernists were involved in propagating the conspiracy.  Weishaupt, founder of the modern Illuminati, was a Jesuit (more or less).  I ignore the anti-Catholic stuff.  There are large sections in there about how the Jєωs are behind much of this.

    Just consider the scientific / mathematical information and ignore the theological stuff ... except that some of the proofs from Sacred Scripture are in fact very strong.

    His section disproving that refraction could account for being able to see too far is devastating to the only argument that the globe earthers have against the "seeing too far" argument ... namely, the magic of refraction.

    I wouldn't necessarily throw the baby out with the bathwater.  His bias against Catholicism doesn't have any impact on the scientific parts of the book.  I'm not sure I agree that the broader conspiracy stuff goes too far off on a tangent.  If you were to ask any common person why they believe the earth is a globe, they really have no direct scientific answer.  It's based merely on the appeal to "authority" and the assumption that the powers that be would not lie to us ... when the truth of the matter is that they do practically nothing BUT lie.  I actually think that's part of gnosticism / Illuminatism / Kabbalah, etc. to cling to a "secret knowledge" that only THEY possess, the corollary of which is that the masses must be deceived and lied to and fed false stories.  In other words, to be extraordinarily enlightened, this knowledge must be kept from the masses.

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    Re: Edward Hendrie's book?
    « Reply #6 on: October 16, 2021, 10:30:32 AM »
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  • I agree. Like I said, I think 75% of the book is great. Cut out the Prot Biblical/conspiracy nonsense and we have a pretty good argument in favor of FE
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: Edward Hendrie's book?
    « Reply #7 on: December 29, 2021, 05:32:57 PM »
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  • Just bought the book. The chapter on refraction is a lot to digest. Not an area of science I'm familiar with. Any videos that break the science behind it more easily y'all recommend?