(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-iTqTrRFUEqk/V09IpQbXdyI/AAAAAAAABJQ/f_EfuNKEyWo_BbY7YA7iZDxRgJ7LTOKbwCLcB/s1600/enclosed2.jpg)Odd for ball earthers that this picture is found in Bibles and not the NASA version of the universe.
Odd for ball earthers that this picture is found in Bibles and not the NASA version of the universe.
(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-iTqTrRFUEqk/V09IpQbXdyI/AAAAAAAABJQ/f_EfuNKEyWo_BbY7YA7iZDxRgJ7LTOKbwCLcB/s1600/enclosed2.jpg).
How strange that Neil has no response to the Scripture that clearly supplies the difference between the earth and moon, when he claimed the earth *must* be like the moon. Hilarious. No rebuttal at all..
Whattsa matter, Neil? Cat got your tongue? Scrambling for a way to refute the Word of Our Lord Jesus Christ?
.Genesis in the Holy Bible clearly describes the flat earth.
When you learn how to read and understand, maybe we can talk.
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Our Lord never described the shape of the earth, and all you have to do is look to see for yourself.
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For example, every time we see a full moon we know that the earth is not "flat." That is, if we think about what we're seeing.
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Same goes for Scripture, if you want to read into what's there what you want to believe, then you can re-make it into your own liking.
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But there is nothing whatsoever in the Bible that demands of us to ignore what we can see with our own eyes in the sky.
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Now run off to your safe place where the truth won't offend you anymore.
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Genesis in the Holy Bible clearly describes the flat earth..
Yet another post where you make your false assumption, your false conflation, your false equivalency of the earth and moon.
For example, every time we see a full moon we know that the earth is not "flat." That is, if we think about what we're seeing.
Yet another post where you make your false assumption, your false conflation, your false equivalency of the earth and moon..
Yet another post where you studiously IGNORE the Scripture from First Corinthians where Our Lord teaches you the difference between terrestrial and celestial bodies.
You do not answer because you HAVE no answer.
You stand in willful defiance and rejection of Scripture every time is is given to you.
Genesis 1:6 (http://www.drbo.org/cgi-bin/d?b=drb&bk=1&ch=1&l=6#x) And God said: Let there be a firmament made amidst the waters: and let it divide the waters from the waters. |
Genesis 1:7 (http://www.drbo.org/cgi-bin/d?b=drb&bk=1&ch=1&l=7#x) And God made a firmament, and divided the waters that were under the firmament, from those that were above the firmament, and it was so. |
Genesis 1:8 (http://www.drbo.org/cgi-bin/d?b=drb&bk=1&ch=1&l=8#x) And God called the firmament, Heaven; and the evening and morning were the second day. |
Genesis 1:14 (http://www.drbo.org/cgi-bin/d?b=drb&bk=1&ch=1&l=14#x) And God said: Let there be lights made in the firmament of heaven, to divide the day and the night, and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days and years: |
Genesis 1:15 (http://www.drbo.org/cgi-bin/d?b=drb&bk=1&ch=1&l=15#x) To shine in the firmament of heaven, and to give light upon the earth. And it was so done. |
Genesis 1:17 (http://www.drbo.org/cgi-bin/d?b=drb&bk=1&ch=1&l=17#x) And he set them in the firmament of heaven to shine upon the earth. |
Genesis 1:20 (http://www.drbo.org/cgi-bin/d?b=drb&bk=1&ch=1&l=20#x) God also said: Let the waters bring forth the creeping creature having life, and the fowl that may fly over the earth under thefirmament of heaven. |
3 Kings (1 Kings) 8:43 (http://www.drbo.org/cgi-bin/d?b=drb&bk=11&ch=8&l=43#x) Then hear thou in heaven, in the firmament of thy dwelling place, and do all those things, for which that stranger shall call upon thee: that all the people of the earth may learn to fear thy name, as do thy people Israel, and may prove that thy name is called upon on this house, which I have built. |
3 Kings (1 Kings) 8:49 (http://www.drbo.org/cgi-bin/d?b=drb&bk=11&ch=8&l=49#x) Then hear thou in heaven, in the firmament of thy throne, their prayers, and their supplications, and do judgment for them: |
Psalms 17:3 (http://www.drbo.org/cgi-bin/d?b=drb&bk=21&ch=17&l=3#x) The Lord is my firmament, my refuge, and my deliverer. My God is my helper, and in him will I put my trust. My protector and the horn of my salvation, and my support. |
Psalms 18:2 (http://www.drbo.org/cgi-bin/d?b=drb&bk=21&ch=18&l=2#x) The heavens shew forth the glory of God, and the firmament declareth the work of his hands. |
Psalms 24:14 (http://www.drbo.org/cgi-bin/d?b=drb&bk=21&ch=24&l=14#x) The Lord is a firmament to them that fear him: and his covenant shall be made manifest to them. |
Psalms 70:3 (http://www.drbo.org/cgi-bin/d?b=drb&bk=21&ch=70&l=3#x) Be thou unto me a God, a protector, and a place of strength: that thou mayst make me safe. For thou art my firmament and my refuge. |
Psalms 71:16 (http://www.drbo.org/cgi-bin/d?b=drb&bk=21&ch=71&l=16#x) And there shall be a firmament on the earth on the tops of mountains, above Libanus shall the fruit thereof be exalted: and they of the city shall flourish like the grass of the earth. |
Psalms 150:1 (http://www.drbo.org/cgi-bin/d?b=drb&bk=21&ch=150&l=1#x) Praise ye the Lord in his holy places: praise ye him in the firmament of his power. |
Ecclesiasticus 43:1 (http://www.drbo.org/cgi-bin/d?b=drb&bk=26&ch=43&l=1#x) The firmament on high is his beauty, the beauty of heaven with its glorious shew. |
Ezechiel (Ezeckiel) 1:22 (http://www.drbo.org/cgi-bin/d?b=drb&bk=31&ch=1&l=22#x) And over the heads of the living creatures was the likeness of the firmament, as the appearance of crystal terrible to behold, and stretched out over their heads above. |
Ezechiel (Ezeckiel) 1:23 (http://www.drbo.org/cgi-bin/d?b=drb&bk=31&ch=1&l=23#x) And under the firmament were their wings straight, the one toward the other, every one with two wings covered his body, and the other was covered in like manner. |
Ezechiel (Ezeckiel) 1:25 (http://www.drbo.org/cgi-bin/d?b=drb&bk=31&ch=1&l=25#x) For when a voice came from above the firmament, that was over their heads, they stood, and let down their wings. |
Ezechiel (Ezeckiel) 1:26 (http://www.drbo.org/cgi-bin/d?b=drb&bk=31&ch=1&l=26#x) And above the firmament that was over their heads, was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of the sapphire stone, and upon the likeness of the throne, was a likeness as of the appearance of a man above upon it. |
01 21 (http://www.drbo.org/cgi-bin/s?q=firmament&b=drb&t=0&p=40) |
23 verses found. |
"All flesh is not the same flesh: but one is the flesh of men, another of beasts, another of birds, another of fishes. And there are bodies celestial, and bodies terrestrial: but, one is the glory of the celestial, and another of the terrestrial. One is the glory of the sun, another the glory of the moon, and another the glory of the stars. For star differeth from star in glory. " I Cor. 15:39-41
Correct, the Earth is not a celestial body.What an outrageous presumption to make!
Totally ignored by flat-earthism, indeed denied by flat-earthers, is that God's global earth includes what I consider the ongoing concursus (the influx of divine causation upon secondary causes) of what we call gravity, a concursus inherent in the above scriptural passage.
What an outrageous presumption to make!What is it about this flat-earthism VIRUS that dominates the human brain.
You complain about those of us Catholics who read the Bible literally, yet you "assume" gravity with no evidence for it whatsoever, just so that *you* can adhere to (pun, intended) your globe earth model.
Think of it: you acknowledge that earth is NOT a celestial body, yet you perform some imaginary mental gymnastics by inventing gravity so that you can maintain this non-celestial body is a ball. It's a breathtaking lapse of logic. Especially when one considers Occam's Razor: the simplest explanation is usually the correct one.
The flat earth model - Heaven above, waters, Firmament, plane of earth, hell below, waters of the Great Deep, in order - is the simplest, is Biblical, and requires no gravity!
What is it about this flat-earthism VIRUS that dominates the human brain.
If I let a cup fall from my hand it falls to the ground.
The cups NEVER float, fall upwards or sideways, always downwards. We HUMANS CALL the cause of this falling GRAVITY.
Now you flat earthers can deny this 'gravity' exists, but for me and the rest of us it does.
Your pathetic attempts to defend a flat earth involves TOTALLY IGNORING the essence of my post and those of others that credits GOD with this CAUSE whatever it is.
It is like debating with programmed zombies.
"All flesh is not the same flesh: but one is the flesh of men, another of beasts, another of birds, another of fishes. And there are bodies celestial, and bodies terrestrial: but, one is the glory of the celestial, and another of the terrestrial. One is the glory of the sun, another the glory of the moon, and another the glory of the stars. For star differeth from star in glory. " I Cor. 15:39-41 (http://drbo.org/x/d?b=drl&bk=53&ch=15&l=39-#x)Read St. Thomas Aquinas's commentary on this (https://aquinas.cc/201/205/3485):
there are bodies celestial, as the sun and moon and so on, and there are bodies terrestrial, as fire, water and so on.
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Again, by celestial bodies can be understood contemplatives: our commonwealth is in heaven (Phil 3:20); by the terrestrial the actives, who are occupied with earthly things. Hence it is said to Martha: you are concerned about many things (Luke 10:41).
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Furthermore, by the sun can be understood Christ: but for you who fear my name the sun of righteousness shall rise (Mal 4:2); by the moon, the Blessed Virgin: fair as the moon (Song 6:10); by the stars mutually situated, the other saints: the stars from their courses (Judg 5:20).
Read St. Thomas Aquinas's commentary on this (https://aquinas.cc/201/205/3485):There you have it, even St. Thomas Aquinas says earth is NOT a celestial body. Awesome.
We can see with our own eyes that the earth is not a ball. There's no curve, even when we stand on a high viewpoint. No curve at all.
And Scripture says that that there are waters above the firmament, and that the stars are in the firmament. The Ancient Hebrews believed in a flat earth, based on Sacred Scripture. How did your beloved Giovanni Cassini view Sacred Scripture, in this regard? Would Cassini's work have ever gained momentum if not for the Enlightenment and French Revolution?
What is it about this flat-earthism VIRUS that dominates the human brain.The cup falls from your hand because it weighs more than the air around it, duh. This concept is known as mass/density.
If I let a cup fall from my hand it falls to the ground.
The cups NEVER float, fall upwards or sideways, always downwards. We HUMANS CALL the cause of this falling GRAVITY.
It is like debating with programmed zombies.
Oh Meg, oh Meg, how you have been infected by this flat-Earth virus. God made the world so big that no little man or woman, looking even from the highest point can see its curvature. Only if one is about 50,000 feet high will the curvature be pronounced enough to see.
What is all this water here or there got to do with a flat earth or a global Earth. A Global Earth has these same waters above as a flat earth could have. So stop thinking and posting that a flat-earth is the only interpretation of waters above. Nor does it matter WHO once thought the earth was flat, thinking it is and insisting it is does not make it so.
And please do not try to paste Giovanni Domenico Cassini (1625-1712 with the same brush as the heliocentrists Newton and the Freemasons. Cassini was God's astronomer, for God never leaves us ignorant. Cassini was a loyal son of the Catholic Church. He had, we read, the charity and kindness of a saint. His respect for his contemporaries and their work was exemplary, and the modesty of his own reached ‘miraculous proportions.’ His humility caused him to avoid adulation and he presented his findings with the least fuss and sought no personal honours. He, and his son and grandson were the LAST OF THE GREAT CATHOLIC GEOCENTRISTS.Voltare hated Cassini for he falsified the astronomy of Kepler used by Newton to fool the world. Cassini was Rome's surveyor before going to King Louis XIV and providing the astronomy for the priests who converted the far east. He falsified Newton's shape for the earth in the field of goedesy, a science none of you flat-earthers know anything about.He compiled a history of astronomy up to his time. In it he wrote:
"Aristorus, contemporary of Eudoxius (390-337BC), and disciple like him of Plato, used Astronomy to perfect the sciences of physics and geography. By the observations of the astronomers he determined the figure and the size of the Earth. He demonstrated that it was spherical by the roundness of its shadow, which appears on the disc of the Moon during eclipses, and by the unequal height of the meridians that differ as one approaches or goes away from the Poles. ..."
."Under the reign of this wise Emperor Augustus (63B-14AD), astronomy began to take on a new look. For Ptolemy, who could be called the restorer of this science, took advantage of the lights of those who had gone before, and joined to his own particular observations those of Hipparcus, of Timocharis and of the Babylonians. He made of these a complete body of science of the stars in an excellent book entitled ‘The Great Composition’, which includes theory and tables charting the movements of the Sun, of the Moon, of the other planets, and of the fixed stars. Geography owes as much to him as astronomy for he also made a description of the earthly globe, much more ample and exact than all the others that had been made up until then; having reduced the distances of all the places on Earth to degrees and to minutes, following the method that had been decided upon by Possidonius, he disposed these same places on the geographic tables according to the difference of their longitude and latitude, in the same way that he had following Hipparcus arranged the fixed stars...."It seems the GLOBE OF EARTH has been around in astronomy for a long long time.
The cup falls from your hand because it weighs more than the air around it, duh. This concept is known as mass/density.
If it were a balloon filled with a light gas (e.g. helium) it will be carried aloft. This is because it weighs less than the air around it. This concept is known as buoyancy.
Debating this with you is like debating with a jellyfish.
What is it about this flat-earthism VIRUS that dominates the human brain.Ha ha, this shows the level of incomprehension we are dealing with. Because stuff falls to earth that means there's gravity. Lol!
If I let a cup fall from my hand it falls to the ground.
The cups NEVER float, fall upwards or sideways, always downwards. We HUMANS CALL the cause of this falling GRAVITY.
Now you flat earthers can deny this 'gravity' exists, but for me and the rest of us it does.
Your pathetic attempts to defend a flat earth involves TOTALLY IGNORING the essence of my post and those of others that credits GOD with this CAUSE whatever it is.
It is like debating with programmed zombies.
I did not try to paint Cassini with the same brush as Newton and freemasons. And you did not directly answer my question about Cassini's work as gaining momentum because of the Enlightenment and French revolution. Do you deny that his work gained momentum because the Enlightenment and French revolution?
If I drop a cup and a feather, both land at the same time.?
Domenico Cassini's anti-heliocentric work has been totally ignored since the enlightenment and the French revolution. Worse than that, he is now portrayed as a hiding heliopcentrist.The horizon always appears perfectly flat 360 degrees around the observer regardless of altitude. All amateur balloon, rocket, plane and drone footage show a completely flat horizon over 20+ miles high. Only NASA and other government "space agencies" show curvature in their fake CGI photos/videos.
‘Cassini was renowned for his skills as an observational astronomer, which led him to many important discoveries. He was also extremely conservative in his approach to the more theoretical aspects of astronomy, and this conservatism led him frequently to propound the incorrect view. He refused to accept the Copernican cosmological model and rejected the concept of a finite speed of light (although its proof was demonstrated by Olaus Rōmer using Cassini’s own data; it is likely that Cassini considered the possibility even prior to Rōmer’s work). He also opposed a theory of universal gravitation and insisted (despite critical disagreement by Christian Huygens and Isaac Newton) that the Earth was flattened at the equator rather than at the poles. Despite these errors in judgement Cassini earned a well-deserved reputation as one of the finest astronomers of his day.[1] (http://file:///C:/Users/JamesRedmond/Desktop/T.E.%20The%20Book.doc#_ftn1)[1] (http://file:///C:/Users/JamesRedmond/Desktop/T.E.%20The%20Book.doc#_ftnref1)David Abbot: Astronomers, The Biographical Dictionary of Scientists, 1984, pp.34-35.‘For instance, there was the case of the Italian astronomer Giovanni Domenico Cassini. When Cassini was appointed lecturer in astronomy at the University of Bologna, in 1650, he found that he had to teach the Ptolemaic system, though by then it was also permissible to teach Copernicanism as a hypothesis. Not, of course, that Cassini had any doubts about the truth of the matter. He was an expert observer, and it was he who made the first reasonably accurate measurement of the distance between the Earth and the Sun. The fact that men such as Cassini could talk openly about the movement of the Earth – and in Italy, less than ten years after Galileo’s death – is an indication that the scientific influence of the Church was very much on the downgrade.’[1] (http://file:///C:/Users/JamesRedmond/Desktop/T.E.%20The%20Book.doc#_ftn1)[1] (http://file:///C:/Users/JamesRedmond/Desktop/T.E.%20The%20Book.doc#_ftnref1)Patrick Moore: Watchers of the Stars, Michael Joseph Books, 1974, p.125.‘Giovanni Cassini was an astronomer of the 17th century. He found several new moons going around Saturn while working for his immovable pope. By combining the data from St Peter’s meridian with his own telescopic observations he was able to predict accurate orbits for Mars and Venus. He had used mathematical techniques that assumed the planets and the Earth were moving in elliptical orbits about the sun. But he never dared to give an opinion on the Earth’s immobility. Perhaps he didn’t want to have to make a public confession of his errors.’[1] (http://file:///C:/Users/JamesRedmond/Desktop/T.E.%20The%20Book.doc#_ftn1)[1] (http://file:///C:/Users/JamesRedmond/Desktop/T.E.%20The%20Book.doc#_ftnref1)Robert Lomas: The Invisible College, Headline, 2002, p.19.BULL. Note Lomas, the author of above piece of revisionism, has Cassini working for ‘his immovable pope,’. Then he has Cassini moving the Earth with ‘elliptical orbits’ if we don’t mind.
The horizon always appears perfectly flat 360 degrees around the observer regardless of altitude. All amateur balloon, rocket, plane and drone footage show a completely flat horizon over 20+ miles high. Only NASA and other government "space agencies" show curvature in their fake CGI photos/videos.Oh, crap dude, just make this knee-biting feldercarb your signature; it saves everyone time and effort.
The horizon always rises to the eye level of the observer as altitude is gained, so you never have to look down to see it. If Earth were in fact a globe, no matter how large, as you ascended the horizon would stay fixed and the observer / camera would have to tilt looking down further and further to see it.
The natural physics of water is to find and maintain its level. If Earth were a giant sphere tilted, wobbling and hurdling through infinite space then truly flat, consistently level surfaces would not exist here. But since Earth is in fact an extended flat plane, this fundamental physical property of fluids finding and remaining level is consistent with experience and common sense.
Now answer this jellyfish. If I drop a cup and a feather, both land at the same time. Where does Mass/Density come in here?NOT in the air. DUH.
No because the feather will be affected by resistance to the air. However, if feathers are bundled to weigh the same as the cup, they will fall at the same time. Weight depends on density, buoyancy and air resistance.
NOT in the air. DUH.Do you seriously want someone to peruse your posts and start pointing out erroneous or incomplete expressions?
That only happens in a vacuum.
https://youtu.be/E43-CfukEgs
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Quote from: cassini on September 14, 2017, 01:35:48 PM (https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/earth-is-not-a-celestial-body/msg566208/#msg566208)QuoteNow answer this, jellyfish. If I drop a cup and a feather, both land at the same time. Where does Mass/Density come in here?
NOT in the air. DUH.
That only happens in a vacuum.
https://youtu.be/E43-CfukEgs
If you knew enough to post "Not in the air; duh!", then you knew what cassini meant..