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Traditional Catholic Faith => Fighting Errors in the Modern World => The Earth God Made - Flat Earth, Geocentrism => Topic started by: Smedley Butler on February 11, 2018, 01:40:28 PM
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True story.
Discussion to come. ....
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You are speaking of Tertullian, I am guessing?
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No.
Have to step out for a bit...be back later to discuss
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:cheers:
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The role of Greek philosophy was one of the controversies of the Patristic period. I mentioned this in another thread (https://www.cathinfo.com/the-earth-god-made-flat-earth-geocentrism/may-catholics-believe-science-that-comes-from-pagans/) .
In the OP I wrote:
"The Catholic view of pagan knowledge was a matter of debate by the Church Fathers. St. Augustine’s view is the one the came to be adopted by the Church."
He wrote in On Christian Doctrine, Book II, Ch. 40 a section on "WHATEVER HAS BEEN RIGHTLY SAID BY THE HEATHEN, WE MUST APPROPRIATE TO OUR USES". I quoted the whole passage there, but the main point is:
... all branches of heathen learning have not only false and superstitious fancies and heavy burdens of unnecessary toil, which every one of us, when going out under the leadership of Christ from the fellowship of the heathen, ought to abhor and avoid; but they contain also liberal instruction which is better adapted to the use of the truth, and some most excellent precepts of morality; and some truths in regard even to the worship of the One God are found among them.
The debate on this principle is the background for understanding why the Fathers disagreed on the shape of the earth. Those who were willing to accept truth from pagan sources were open to believe in a spherical earth. Those who believed that pagan sources must be rejected believed in a flat earth. The two sides also tended to disagree on how literally to take Scripture.
St. Augustine represents the "winning side" that became the view of Church. St. Thomas and medieval Christian thinkers in general are famous for how much they used Greek philosophers.
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Oh for crying out loud, I thought this was going to be a serious thread, but apparently it is going to be yet another stupid flat earth discussion?
Count me out.
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Really? You couldn't tell by the name of the poster? He discusses nothing else. Apparently, all that's necessary for salvation is belief in the Flat Earth.
Usually, when I come to CI, I just check the "Recent Posts" section on the homepage.
Unfortunately, it does not say there which sub-forum the posts come from, and I neglected to look.
Grrr....
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Oh for crying out loud, I thought this was going to be a serious thread, but apparently it is going to be yet another stupid flat earth discussion?
Count me out.
It is in the Flat Earth subforum, but it would be really good to discuss the debate over Greek philosophers apart from that issue. It is important background information that would help everyone to understand the historical context of the Patristic positions.
It would be wonderful if people who are knowledgeable about that period could share. My focus in history has been more on the medieval period so I would appreciate getting the perspective of others who have studied the earlier Church more.
It doesn't have to be a stupid discussion.
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Usually, when I come to CI, I just check the "Recent Posts" section on the homepage.
Unfortunately, it does not say there which sub-forum the posts come from, and I neglected to look.
Grrr....
You don't like the ghetto?
Actually, I think it's a really important topic even separate from flat earth.
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Mr Garrison is quaking in her boots.