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Oh yes, I know. I thought I would share so there's understanding of just what Sugenis holds to. It's a pretty weak explanation, in my opinion.

In the very first passage cited by Sungenis from St. Ambrose, St. Ambrose is debating with someone (can't tell who) whether the waters would fall down the sides of the firmament if the earth were stationary while the heavens rotated around it.  Both there in St. Ambrose and in other Church Fathers, you can clearly see that they believe that DOWN is based on density.  They speak of how the earth settled to the bottom being the heaviest element, then the water was next, and something unknown above the water (gases, void, etc.).  That view is clearly contrary to the notion that the earth is a ball floating in space (or even in water) ... a model which assumes "gravity," which it is clear that none of the Fathers believed in.  Even Lucretius, who first described the world as consisting of atoms, also attributed the formation of matter to the settling downward of the heavier particles.

To me, had he actually demonstrated that most of the Church Fathers thought the earth to be a globe, that wouldn't be a big deal to me unless they were arguing from Sacred Scripture or Tradition.  I had actually assumed that the majority of Church Fathers believed that the earth was a globe ... simply due to the repetition of that assertion.  Now that I've actually seen the text of the Church Fathers, that is clearly not the case.

And in reading the Church Fathers, yet another lie from the Globers was exposed, their assertion that everybody believed the earth was a sphere.  That is false.  Several Fathers talk about multiple competing theories, that the world was a sphere, that the world was cone-shaped, and that the world was hemi-spherical.  One Father said there were many theories.  But even then, the reference is nearly always to the world (likely kosmos in Greek), which is NOT identical to just the earth or the surface of the earth.  When they are speaking about the shape of the world, it's not limited to the inhabitable surface of the earth by any stretch.

And I am rather appalled by Sungenis literally taking every reference to the "circle of the earth" as proof that the Father believed the earth was a globe.  That's incredibly dishonest.

Scientific section opens with total garbage, nothing but illogical ad hominems against Flat Earthers.

This "respect" he attempted to convey in the interview he gave was clearly feigned.

So, for example, he starts by mentioning how a lot of FEs see in the UN and other symbols a reference to Flat Earth.  Then he claims it's some contradiction to both hold that these are wicked institutions and at the same time believe that the UN and other institutions are "secretly trying to teach people about flat earth".

What utter stupidity!  NOBODY believes this is a way to secretly teach about FE.  Many of these conspiratorial secret societies have various occult symbols that have meaning for them even while they try to hide the truth from the masses.

This has to be one of the dumbest criticisms I've ever heard.

And, no, FEs do not believe these symbols are PROOF of anything ... just that they are another dot in the big picture.