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Re: Dr. Robert Sungenis Debuts New Book: Flat Earth, Flat Wrong
« Reply #60 on: July 25, 2018, 11:17:12 AM »
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    Re: Dr. Robert Sungenis Debuts New Book: Flat Earth, Flat Wrong
    « Reply #61 on: July 25, 2018, 04:01:43 PM »
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    Please docuмent and provide contact info.  Thanks!


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    Re: Dr. Robert Sungenis Debuts New Book: Flat Earth, Flat Wrong
    « Reply #62 on: August 01, 2018, 12:29:02 PM »
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    Still waiting Smed -- where is the docuмentation and contact info?

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    Re: Dr. Robert Sungenis Debuts New Book: Flat Earth, Flat Wrong
    « Reply #63 on: August 03, 2018, 10:53:51 AM »
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  • The globe Earth was around a long long time before NASA ever showed up.  Even lying NASA like a broken clock can tell the truth twice a day.
    Yes, the globe is promoted throughout the centuries by the occult Gnostics and pagans science NASA supports, something repeated constantly throughout these threads.  Accepting anything from NASA who may be right a couple of times is like saying Hillary and Obama are acceptable politicians because like broken clocks they might tell the truth twice a day.  They simply cannot be trusted.    

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    Re: Dr. Robert Sungenis Debuts New Book: Flat Earth, Flat Wrong
    « Reply #64 on: August 03, 2018, 11:07:10 AM »
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  • Sungenis and Skiba are planning a debate on flat earth sometime around November or December.  Hopefully, Sungenis converts Rob Skiba to the Catholic Faith and Skiba converts Sungenis to flat earth.  Both appear to appreciate Scripture, yet Sungenis discards it because he says it isn't clear, even though the Fathers use Scripture to describe and enclosed earth which is bound to heaven. Sungenis continues to use heliocentric measurements from NASA and tired old nonsense from the likes of Einstein, Kepler, Newton and Copernicus, none of which have proven earth is a globe, nor are the light year distances proposed by them provable.  Simple geometry bears this out proving the angles of the sun are impossible on a 25,000 mile globe. Sungenis believes the sun, moon and stars travel at ridiculous speeds with no limit because they are in space.  He'd have to say that because the 93,000,000 mile distant sun would have to travel billions of miles every 24 hours just to get around the earth from one day to the next.  Absolutely ridiculous.    


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    Re: Dr. Robert Sungenis Debuts New Book: Flat Earth, Flat Wrong
    « Reply #65 on: August 03, 2018, 03:25:17 PM »
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  • He'd have to say that because the 93,000,000 mile distant sun would have to travel billions of miles every 24 hours just to get around the earth from one day to the next.  Absolutely ridiculous.    

    Roughly half a billion (93,000,000 * 2 * 3,14).

    What is ridiculus about that? Too fast for your imagination?

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    Re: Dr. Robert Sungenis Debuts New Book: Flat Earth, Flat Wrong
    « Reply #66 on: August 03, 2018, 03:33:52 PM »
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  • Sungenis and Skiba are planning a debate on flat earth sometime around November or December.  Hopefully, Sungenis converts Rob Skiba to the Catholic Faith and Skiba converts Sungenis to flat earth.  Both appear to appreciate Scripture, yet Sungenis discards it because he says it isn't clear, even though the Fathers use Scripture to describe and enclosed earth which is bound to heaven. Sungenis continues to use heliocentric measurements from NASA and tired old nonsense from the likes of Einstein, Kepler, Newton and Copernicus, none of which have proven earth is a globe, nor are the light year distances proposed by them provable.  Simple geometry bears this out proving the angles of the sun are impossible on a 25,000 mile globe. Sungenis believes the sun, moon and stars travel at ridiculous speeds with no limit because they are in space.  He'd have to say that because the 93,000,000 mile distant sun would have to travel billions of miles every 24 hours just to get around the earth from one day to the next.  Absolutely ridiculous.    

    Well said. It is indeed ridiculous to think that the sun, at a supposed ridiculous distance from the earth, would travel billions of miles per day to supposedly get around the earth. The sun does not leave any kind of trail behind it, that we can see. No evidence that it is traveling at those speeds.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Dr. Robert Sungenis Debuts New Book: Flat Earth, Flat Wrong
    « Reply #67 on: August 03, 2018, 04:08:23 PM »
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  • The sun does not leave any kind of trail behind it, that we can see. No evidence that it is traveling at those speeds.

    Do you expect folks to follow your reasoning or your authority?


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    Re: Dr. Robert Sungenis Debuts New Book: Flat Earth, Flat Wrong
    « Reply #68 on: August 03, 2018, 04:22:02 PM »
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  • Do you expect folks to follow your reasoning or your authority?

    What authority? I've never claimed authority.

    Reasoning, yes. No one has to agree with me though. Or agree with you either.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Dr. Robert Sungenis Debuts New Book: Flat Earth, Flat Wrong
    « Reply #69 on: August 03, 2018, 04:40:51 PM »
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  • What authority? I've never claimed authority.

    Reasoning, yes. No one has to agree with me though. Or agree with you either.

    But your reasoning has no base. You would first have to show, that and why the sun would have to leave a trail.

    Alas, St. Robert Bellarmine had no problem with a distant sun (measurements at that time indicating a ten times lower distance, still roughly 50 million miles per day). He didn't think that that's ridculous.

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    Re: Dr. Robert Sungenis Debuts New Book: Flat Earth, Flat Wrong
    « Reply #70 on: August 03, 2018, 07:32:04 PM »
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  • Roughly half a billion (93,000,000 * 2 * 3,14).

    What is ridiculus about that? Too fast for your imagination?
    Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.  There is no evidence the sun moves at such extraordinary speeds. 

    A wise man...proportions his belief to the evidence


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    Re: Dr. Robert Sungenis Debuts New Book: Flat Earth, Flat Wrong
    « Reply #71 on: August 03, 2018, 07:51:12 PM »
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  • Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.  There is no evidence the sun moves at such extraordinary speeds.  

    A wise man...proportions his belief to the evidence

    Measurements of the distance to the sun are reported since some centuries before Christ. Men of worldly wisdom have presented their methods and results. Many of them were loyal sons of the Church of our Lord Jesus Christ. Methods and results have been discussed.
    What is your contribution to the discussion? What are your reasons to reject the evidence? Why would anyone listen to baseless logic (see entries above) or boring verdicts like "extraordinary claims ... "?


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    Re: Dr. Robert Sungenis Debuts New Book: Flat Earth, Flat Wrong
    « Reply #72 on: August 04, 2018, 12:02:47 AM »
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  • Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.  There is no evidence the sun moves at such extraordinary speeds.  

    A wise man...proportions his belief to the evidence

    One more answer: Flat earth is an extraordinary claim. There is no evidence for a flat earth. Not even a consistent model. Heed your own advice! Don't boast without extraordinary evidence.

    And note: You are spilling manure over many church fathers and doctors, over bishops and popes, when defending a flat earth. Are you a housewife?

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    Re: Dr. Robert Sungenis Debuts New Book: Flat Earth, Flat Wrong
    « Reply #73 on: August 04, 2018, 01:07:07 AM »
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  • Before flat-earth-pest broke out some few years ago, there was the lie that in medieval times idiot Catholics in the Holy Roman Empire believed that the earth was flat. Before George W. Bush reactivated the term "conspiracy theories" in the context of 911, folks who uttered knowledge about state terrorism, disinformation, propaganda etc. even worse in the "free world" than in the other project of the bankers beyond the iron curtain, were called flat-earth-nuts. Maybe not in the U.S. but in Europe.

    Catholics always knew that this was anti-Church slander of the liberal forces of the improperly so-called Enlightenment. R. Sungenis (though stuck with a clown-pope) helpfully details, that it was a weird fabrication of liberal theologians of the 19th century.

    It is an absurd situation, to find flat-earthers in a forum supposedly full of traditional Catholics. Is the "resistance" or related groups full of depraved subjects who don't hesitate to offend their own forefather protagonists which fought against the decay and destruction of the Church?

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    Re: Dr. Robert Sungenis Debuts New Book: Flat Earth, Flat Wrong
    « Reply #74 on: August 04, 2018, 10:39:35 AM »
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  • Measurements of the distance to the sun are reported since some centuries before Christ. Men of worldly wisdom have presented their methods and results. Many of them were loyal sons of the Church of our Lord Jesus Christ. Methods and results have been discussed.
    What is your contribution to the discussion? What are your reasons to reject the evidence? Why would anyone listen to baseless logic (see entries above) or boring verdicts like "extraordinary claims ... "?
    Oh, indeed measurements were reported before Christ.  And they were nothing like what they say now.  The heliocentric scientists in the 15/16th century assigned a value of 3,000,000 miles to the sun, slightly more reasonable than now. 
    Robert Sungenis is continuously proven wrong about the flat earth, about the history of the Fathers of the Church and about Scripture.  So, while you continue digging around, take an actual look at the Fathers and Scripture.