Author Topic: Dr. Robert Sungenis Debuts New Book: Flat Earth, Flat Wrong (Read 9536 times)

klasG4e · « **Reply #25 on:** June 28, 2018, 04:01:57 PM »

Quote from: Neil Obstat on June 28, 2018, 04:42:44 AM

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It is not our business to warn people about each and every false idea that comes up, but only when the idea directly impinges on a straightforward biblical teaching. Thus, we steer clear of 9-11 cօռspιʀαcιҽs.

What is it with this polite (and sometimes downright rude and even obscene) marginalization and or denigration by traditional Catholics of those who believe it is not only their business, but in some cases their patriotic duty as Christians, to warn people about the monstrously evil 9-11 lie our own government has foisted on the American people and to some extent a lot of other people in the world?

In doing this they often use code words or catch phrases like conspiracy theory since that seems to so often elicit a dumbed down Pavlovian like complimentary response and or a quick termination of the discussion.

One need not get bogged down in all the details of possible 9-11 versions to realize that our government clearly lied to us in a horrible way (I won't get into the separate issue/problem of cognitive dissonance here) and not only that, but that the 9-11 lie fits not unsurprisingly into a long history of horrendous lies foisted on to the American public to bring us into wars and ruinous foreign incursions. The cost of these lies has been trillions of U.S. dollars and tens of thousands of American battlefield deaths and countless more injuries and ruined lives. The cost to the people of other nations has even been much worse.

I can't speak personally for you Neil in regards to whether you yourself should ever talk to people about 9-11. For all I know, you might be in no position to intelligently do so. That said I would certainly hope that you could refrain from begrudging your fellow traditional Catholics their right, if not even their duty in some instances, to try to inform others about the truth of 9-11. After all these years of exposure, I'd venture to say that a self-instructed 15 year old of average intelligence could easily and clearly refute the false narrative (9-11 conspiracy/fantasy) the U.S. Government has pushed on us as a sort of secular dogma.

So, please don't lump in the obscene U.S. government version of 9-11 that has resulted in an almost incalculable horror for much of the American public, not to mention a far more wide spread horror for countless innocent people abroad as just a "false idea that comes up." If you wish to in your words, "steer clear of 9-11" let it be on you, but please don't try to discourage us as civilized human beings, not to mention in many cases patriotic traditional Catholics, from doing so.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #26 on:** June 28, 2018, 04:36:59 PM »

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I posted the link to the article I was quoting.

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What follows are not my words. But when I use a quote box the stupid platform deletes its contents when someone else quotes my post. So I don't use the rotten quote box very often. Try quoting this post and watch the quote box, above, disappear! Try it! See for yourself!
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I don't have any problem with calling out the deception of the "official" version (NIST) of what happened on 9-11-2001. Or Pearl Harbor. Or the USS Liberty. Or the Gulf of Tonkin. Or the Alfred P. Murrah Federal building, OK City. Or Waco, TX. On and on. I almost cut that 9-11 part out to prevent confusion but I thought it wouldn't be confusing. I guess I was wrong.
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klasG4e · « **Reply #27 on:** June 28, 2018, 06:45:42 PM »

Quote from: Neil Obstat on June 28, 2018, 04:36:59 PM

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I posted the link to the article I was quoting. What follows are not my words. But when I use a quote box the stupid platform deletes its contents when someone else quotes my post. So I don't use the rotten quote box very often. Try quoting this post and watch the quote box, above, disappear! Try it! See for yourself!
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I don't have any problem with calling out the deception of the "official" version (NIST) of what happened on 9-11-2001. Or Pearl Harbor. Or the USS Liberty. Or the Gulf of Tonkin. Or the Alfred P. Murrah Federal building, OK City. Or Waco, TX. On and on. I almost cut that 9-11 part out to prevent confusion but I thought it wouldn't be confusing. I guess I was wrong.
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Thanks for the clarification Neil. Sorry if I caused you any grief. My mistake!

happenby · « **Reply #28 on:** June 28, 2018, 08:13:00 PM »

Quote from: klasG4e on June 27, 2018, 07:13:42 PM

Hope you will let us know what you think of his book after you have actually read it. He stated that he wanted to examine and answer every scientific claim put forth for a flat earth.

Since you and some others on this forum seem to know so much about the flat earth and hold Sungenis in contempt for supposedly knowing so little about it why don't you ask to publicly debate him on the subject rather than merely toss invective at him? Is that asking too much?

You say, "he thinks man went to the moon." Actually, he has many times expressed grave doubts as to whether man has gone to the moon.

Sungenis spent 9 months of hard labor researching and writing his book, Flat Earth, Flat Wrong. I'm sorry you dismiss that good faith effort so casually. Perhaps, you will in good faith read his book and seriously consider what he has put forth in it and then report back to us.

I really am not dismissing good faith effort. I listened to Sungenis on his live stream, I've read his articles and watched his videos against flat earth. Seems the book won't have anything different to offer, just more of what he's already saying. I will probably read it at some point and I will report what I see and try to be as fair as possible and give proof for any critiques.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #29 on:** June 29, 2018, 04:09:55 AM »

Quote from: klasG4e on June 28, 2018, 06:45:42 PM

Thanks for the clarification Neil. Sorry if I caused you any grief. My mistake!

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I don't blame you for reacting that way if you thought I had written it.
I should be more careful to show when I'm quoting someone else.

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