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Dr. Kent Hovind and Robert Sungenis on "Flat Earth, Flat Wrong!"
« on: June 09, 2022, 09:45:49 AM »
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    • I'm not sure if this 2018 video was already posted on CI



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    Re: Dr. Kent Hovind and Robert Sungenis on "Flat Earth, Flat Wrong!"
    « Reply #1 on: June 09, 2022, 09:49:27 AM »
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    • I like both Hovind and Sungenis ... but I have to disagree with them on this point.
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    Re: Dr. Kent Hovind and Robert Sungenis on "Flat Earth, Flat Wrong!"
    « Reply #2 on: June 09, 2022, 10:27:07 AM »
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    • So I started looking at this video.  Sungenis admits that there are some very intelligent men with solid arguments that do make it appear as though the earth is flat, that it doesn't suffice just to brush it off, and that his original 30-page paper turned into a 700+ page book.

    He starts off by talking about how he chose a DaVinci painting of Jesus holding a globe for the cover of his book.

    But have a look at the globe in this picture  It's basically transparent.  People say that DaVinci was into the occult and had ties to Masonry.  So it's hard to make anything of this picture one way or the other.  Jesus' Hand at the bottom kindof looks like land at the bottom, and the top part, wth the blue garment showing through kindof looks like sky, and a few dots that could be stars ... in the dome.  This kindof looks like it could be an earth covered by a dome, so that it really does resemble more the snow-globe dome view of "globe earth" than the NASA one.

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    Re: Dr. Kent Hovind and Robert Sungenis on "Flat Earth, Flat Wrong!"
    « Reply #3 on: June 09, 2022, 10:43:24 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on June 09, 2022, 10:27:07 AM
    So I started looking at this video.  Sungenis admits that there are some very intelligent men with solid arguments that do make it appear as though the earth is flat, that it doesn't suffice just to brush it off, and that his original 30-page paper turned into a 700+ page book.

    He starts off by talking about how he chose a DaVinci painting of Jesus holding a globe for the cover of his book.

    But have a look at the globe in this picture  It's basically transparent.  People say that DaVinci was into the occult and had ties to Masonry.  So it's hard to make anything of this picture one way or the other.


    He speaks about why he chose this picture for the cover of his book and the significance of the globe in the picture and the globe in other religious iconography of the Middle Ages from 3:33 to 6:10.
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    Re: Dr. Kent Hovind and Robert Sungenis on "Flat Earth, Flat Wrong!"
    « Reply #4 on: June 09, 2022, 11:07:52 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on June 09, 2022, 10:27:07 AM
    He starts off by talking about how he chose a DaVinci painting of Jesus holding a globe for the cover of his book.


    I don't see why Leonardo da Vinci would know any more about the shape of the earth than anyone else. That's really an odd person to choose as an authority on this subject.
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    Re: Dr. Kent Hovind and Robert Sungenis on "Flat Earth, Flat Wrong!"
    « Reply #5 on: June 09, 2022, 11:08:27 AM »
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    • In any case, why not choose the Infant of Prague and His globe? Jesus would definitely know what the shape of the earth is, after all. ::)
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    Re: Dr. Kent Hovind and Robert Sungenis on "Flat Earth, Flat Wrong!"
    « Reply #6 on: June 09, 2022, 11:14:08 AM »
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    • Quote from: Yeti on June 09, 2022, 11:08:27 AM
    In any case, why not choose the Infant of Prague and His globe? Jesus would definitely know what the shape of the earth is, after all. ::)
    He speaks about why he chose this picture for the cover of his book and the significance of the globe in the picture and the globe in other religious iconography of the Middle Ages from 3:33 to 6:10.
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    Re: Dr. Kent Hovind and Robert Sungenis on "Flat Earth, Flat Wrong!"
    « Reply #7 on: June 09, 2022, 06:41:57 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on June 09, 2022, 10:27:07 AM
    So I started looking at this video.  Sungenis admits that there are some very intelligent men with solid arguments that do make it appear as though the earth is flat, that it doesn't suffice just to brush it off, and that his original 30-page paper turned into a 700+ page book.

    Lad, I'm glad you started looking at the video.  I would appreciate any final comments you have concerning its content if you would care to provide.
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    Re: Dr. Kent Hovind and Robert Sungenis on "Flat Earth, Flat Wrong!"
    « Reply #8 on: June 09, 2022, 08:01:23 PM »
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    • "People say that DaVinci was into the occult and had ties to Masonry"

    Bingo!  I think you're picking-up a scent...


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    Re: Dr. Kent Hovind and Robert Sungenis on "Flat Earth, Flat Wrong!"
    « Reply #9 on: June 10, 2022, 03:04:29 PM »
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    • Hmm... I wonder how this thread ended up being dominated by the discussion of a picture on the cover of a book.  An exception to the rule about not being able to judge a book by its cover?!
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    Re: Dr. Kent Hovind and Robert Sungenis on "Flat Earth, Flat Wrong!"
    « Reply #10 on: June 10, 2022, 09:06:24 PM »
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    • Quote from: Yeti on June 09, 2022, 11:07:52 AM
    I don't see why Leonardo da Vinci would know any more about the shape of the earth than anyone else. That's really an odd person to choose as an authority on this subject.

    I don't see why he -- a man who should be spoken of in the past tense as he has been dead for hundreds of years -- would have know any less, either.  What is more, he was, while on earth, a man of true genius.  He was and remains a very respectable authority on myriad subjects, especially when compared to modern "traditional" stooges who cannot even figure out that the Bogus Ordo Anti-Church is a bloodthirsty whore who devours her own children.
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    Re: Dr. Kent Hovind and Robert Sungenis on "Flat Earth, Flat Wrong!"
    « Reply #11 on: June 10, 2022, 09:11:27 PM »
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    • Quote from: Charity on June 09, 2022, 06:41:57 PM
    Lad, I'm glad you started looking at the video.  I would appreciate any final comments you have concerning its content if you would care to provide.

    Thus far I got to the debate regarding the Biblical origins of Flat Earth.  That's not something I spend too much time on because I do believe it's debatable and not definitive.  We do not have unanimous dogmatic consensus from the Fathers about the matter.  Some Fathers (Antiochene school for instance) were FE, while others were GE.  So it's not something I would really want to be debate with Dr. Sungenis.  Some of Hovind's objections against FE were actually a bit lame, and Dr. Sungenis actually shot some of them down, saying, "well, actually they have a really good answer for that," etc.
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    Re: Dr. Kent Hovind and Robert Sungenis on "Flat Earth, Flat Wrong!"
    « Reply #12 on: June 10, 2022, 09:15:21 PM »
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    • Quote from: Yeti on June 09, 2022, 11:08:27 AM
    Jesus would definitely know what the shape of the earth is, after all.

    He told you there is a firmament above you, among other things that you apparently do not believe.  Earth is not the name of a planet; it is the name of the dry land.

    "And God said: Let there be a firmament made amidst the waters: and let it divide the waters from the waters. And God made a firmament, and divided the waters that were under the firmament, from those that were above the firmament, and it was so.  And God called the firmament, Heaven; and the evening and morning were the second day.  God also said: Let the waters that are under the heaven, be gathered together into one place: and let the dry land appear. And it was so done.  And God called the dry land, Earth; and the gathering together of the waters, he called Seas. And God saw that it was good."
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    Re: Dr. Kent Hovind and Robert Sungenis on "Flat Earth, Flat Wrong!"
    « Reply #13 on: June 10, 2022, 09:16:05 PM »
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    • Quote from: Yeti on June 09, 2022, 11:08:27 AM
    In any case, why not choose the Infant of Prague and His globe? Jesus would definitely know what the shape of the earth is, after all. ::)

    In either case, globes in art are not definitive.  FE does hold to a globular shape of the world overall when the dome is factored in.  Not to mention that the artists are not inspired or infallible.  So art really isn't definitive:




    When used as symbols of royal power, it's also largely symbolic where the entire existence of the universe is wrapped in a ball and held in by the cross, to show that all of creation is in Our Lord's dominion.
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    Re: Dr. Kent Hovind and Robert Sungenis on "Flat Earth, Flat Wrong!"
    « Reply #14 on: June 10, 2022, 09:18:17 PM »
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    • I thought I was over the debate, but, well, here I am again. I'll just share these two once more to get the point across that Scripture does not at all talk of the earth as NASA and the Masons say it is.

    The Earth is certainly a globe. A snow-globe, in a sense. We are to take the literal word of Scripture before moving to the other senses, and well, a lot of FE-advocates are pushing back and showing that the literal words are true.
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