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Offline DigitalLogos

Re: Dr. John D destroys the Globe
« Reply #15 on: July 20, 2022, 04:10:44 PM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on July 20, 2022, 04:02:35 PM
You're continuing to press the false strawman caricature of FE that it's a flat disk revolving around the sun.
Indeed. We need to break down the false cosmology of modern Scientism and realize that the earth IS the universe and the universe IS the earth. There are no other worlds "out there" because the only "out there" is Heaven above and Hell below.
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Offline Donachie

Re: Dr. John D destroys the Globe
« Reply #16 on: July 20, 2022, 04:11:33 PM »
I don't think the Earth revolves around the Sun. I think it's not moving and the Sun revolves around it.

Aristotle (De Coelo) says, "body (soma in Greek, by which he means 3-D space) alone among magnitudes can be complete. For it alone is determined by three dimensions, that is, is in 'all'." From this, one can surmise that it's fair to say that space, as in pure space, is always 3-D and complete.

So whether the Earth is "flat" or not, it is in 3-D space, as is the rest of the cosmos. For it to be flat like a pancake in space, which is spherical itself, does not look right or add up correctly for the calendar or navigation. Every great meridian intersects the equator at two distinct opposite points in 3-D space, so there are at least two perpendicular circles involved in the composition of the Earth, which shows that it's spherical.

St. Bonaventure thought the sphere was the most noble form in geometry, and the Earth should be as dignified in its creation as Bonaventure would prefer, etc.
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Offline DigitalLogos

Re: Dr. John D destroys the Globe
« Reply #17 on: July 20, 2022, 04:16:09 PM »
Quote from: Donachie on July 20, 2022, 04:11:33 PM
I don't think the Earth revolves around the Sun. I think it's not moving and the Sun revolves around it.

Aristotle (De Coelo) says, "body (soma in Greek, by which he means 3-D space) alone among magnitudes can be complete. For it alone is determined by three dimensions, that is, is in 'all'." From this, one can surmise that it's fair to say that space, as in pure space, is always 3-D and complete.

So whether the Earth is "flat" or not, it is in 3-D space, as is the rest of the cosmos. For it to be flat like a pancake in space, which is spherical itself, does not look right or add up correctly for the calendar or navigation. Every great meridian intersects the equator at two distinct opposite points in 3-D space, so there are at least two perpendicular circles involved in the composition of the Earth, which shows that it's spherical.

St. Bonaventure thought the sphere was the most noble form in geometry, and the Earth should be as dignified in its creation as Bonaventure would prefer, etc.
Again, you're resting upon the presuppositions of modern cosmology that there is, in-fact, a "space" in which the earth-plane resides. I am saying that there isn't such a thing. There are the waters above and the waters below encapsulating what constitutes the earth. And beyond that is Heaven and the Realm of God. Not "infinite" space (a blasphemous idea, as only God is infinite).

Second, the earth could be a flat-plane within the sphere of the Firmament. It doesn't have to be some flat disc floating in the ether. And also, as much as I esteem St. Bonaventure, that's his opinion based upon the presuppositions and assumptions of Aristotle. What he says about the sphere is true, but it doesn't prove anything about the shape of the earth.
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Offline Donachie

Re: Dr. John D destroys the Globe
« Reply #18 on: July 20, 2022, 04:31:14 PM »
Space is a universal and immediate necessity for creation, since creation is finite. We have sufficient proof that finity or the finite exists, and then with logic we are able to further infer that there is also the infinite, which is quite different. So then we are to figure the relation between the two, the finite and the infinite.

The finite has sides, straight lines, curves, and divisions, whereas the infinite does not, but since it does have a relation to the finite it doe have a relation to these created things. Certain things from the finite would represent a relation to the infinite better than others. For instance, straight lines have an end and a beginning, and do not represent relation to the infinite as well as a circle, which does not have a beginning or ending, since the infinite is like a circle in that it does not have a beginning or ending.

So the Earth is at least a circle, and any circle that is also complete in 3-D becomes a sphere. Aristotle describes the very formation of the Earth as a spherical process, which I think reflects the Holy Trinity, which is also "3-D", yet in a very supernatural way. Therefore, I say that a flat Earth does less honor to the very sublime and supernatural nature of the Most Holy Trinity who are one in three ... even like a sphere.
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Offline Cera

Re: Dr. John D destroys the Globe
« Reply #19 on: July 20, 2022, 05:28:44 PM »
Quote from: Donachie on July 20, 2022, 02:30:03 PM
Do you reckon that the Moon is a sphere but the Earth is not?
You raise an interesting question. If the Moon were a sphere, why do we see only one side of it? Does that seem logical to you? (I predict that you will go to your pal Google to assist with your "response" instead of using your own brain.)
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