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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Dr. John D destroys the Globe
« Reply #35 on: July 22, 2022, 08:18:37 AM »
With regard to stray pixels on the one man's pictures and photographs, yes, that is possible, but there have been reports of naked-eye observations of the same phenomenon by professional astronomers (as cited in the text overlaying parts of that video).

Re: Dr. John D destroys the Globe
« Reply #36 on: July 22, 2022, 08:32:28 AM »
I don’t see how water curving around a giant sphere can be so hard to understand. And I don't think gravity's affect on air or whatever weaker objects is clicking in your mind. It makes a lot of sense to me.
It isn't "clicking" because the behavior of these things such as air or water is in accordance with the properties of density and buoyancy rather than some "force of gravity" (which, again, modern scientists no longer say is a force, but the "curving of space-time"). A balloon filled with air sinks to the floor, while one filled with helium rises to the ceiling. This is because helium is less dense than air, even if the mass is the same in both.

As for water curving around a sphere. Show me the practical experiment where this is replicated, and I'll accept it. No one has been able to replicate it outside of mathematical theory, because it isn't possible in reality due to the properties of water, which always finds its level.

On Sacred Scripture, it's as Lad states, and I take the literal meaning until it is obviously metaphor, simile, or allegory; as Leo XIII and Pius X teach. What FE has shown is that the literal reading of Scripture is not only logical, but is also the most practical as opposed to the fantasies of modern cosmology. MHFM does a good job in dogmatic arguments, but once they get outside of that they tend to falter. They believe the claims of modern cosmology and even think the moon landings were real.


Offline Tradman

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Re: Dr. John D destroys the Globe
« Reply #37 on: July 22, 2022, 09:31:13 AM »

On Sacred Scripture, it's as Lad states, and I take the literal meaning until it is obviously metaphor, simile, or allegory; as Leo XIII and Pius X teach. What FE has shown is that the literal reading of Scripture is not only logical, but is also the most practical as opposed to the fantasies of modern cosmology. MHFM does a good job in dogmatic arguments, but once they get outside of that they tend to falter. They believe the claims of modern cosmology and even think the moon landings were real.
PROVIDENTISSIMUS DEUS

15. But he must not on that account consider that it is forbidden, when just cause exists, to push inquiry and exposition beyond what the Fathers have done; provided he carefully observes the rule so wisely laid down by St. Augustine-not to depart from the literal and obvious sense, except only where reason makes it untenable or necessity requires;

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« Reply #38 on: July 22, 2022, 09:42:41 AM »
PROVIDENTISSIMUS DEUS

If dissension should arise between them, (flat earth vs globe, emphasis mine) here is the rule also laid down by St. Augustine, for the theologian: "Whatever they can really demonstrate to be true of physical nature, we must show to be capable of reconciliation with our Scriptures; and whatever they assert in their treatises which is contrary to these Scriptures of ours, that is to Catholic faith, we must either prove it as well as we can to be entirely false, or at all events we must, without the smallest hesitation, believe it to be so."

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« Reply #39 on: July 22, 2022, 10:13:09 AM »
PROVIDENTISSIMUS DEUS

9. We must now, Venerable Brethren, as our purpose demands, impart to you such counsels as seem best suited for carrying on successfully the study of Biblical science.

10. But first it must be clearly understood whom we have to oppose and contend against, and what are their tactics and their arms. In earlier times the contest was chiefly with those who, relying on private judgment and repudiating the divine traditions and teaching office of the Church, held the Scriptures to be the one source of revelation and the final appeal in matters of Faith. Now, we have to meet the Rationalists, true children and inheritors of the older heretics, who, trusting in their turn to their own way of thinking, have rejected even the scraps and remnants of Christian belief which had been handed down to them. They deny that there is any such thing as revelation or inspiration, or Holy Scripture at all; they see, instead, only the forgeries and the falsehoods of men; they set down the Scripture narratives as stupid fables and lying stories: the prophecies and the oracles of God are to them either predictions made up after the event or forecasts formed by the light of nature; the miracles and the wonders of God's power are not what they are said to be, but the startling effects of natural law, or else mere tricks and myths; and the Apostolic Gospels and writings are not the work of the Apostles at all. These detestable errors, whereby they think they destroy the truth of the divine Books, are obtruded on the world as the peremptory pronouncements of a certain newly-invented "free science;" a science, however, which is so far from final that they are perpetually modifying and supplementing it. And there are some of them who, notwithstanding their impious opinions and utterances about God, and Christ, the Gospels and the rest of Holy Scripture, would faro be considered both theologians and Christians and men of the Gospel, and who attempt to disguise by such honourable names their rashness and their pride. To them we must add not a few professors of other sciences who approve their views and give them assistance, and are urged to attack the Bible by a similar intolerance of revelation. And it is deplorable to see these attacks growing every day more numerous and more severe. It is sometimes men of learning and judgment who are assailed; but these have little difficulty in defending themselves from evil consequences. The efforts and the arts of the enemy are chiefly directed against the more ignorant masses of the people. They diffuse their deadly poison by means of books, pamphlets, and newspapers; they spread it by addresses and by conversation; they are found everywhere; and they are in possession of numerous schools, taken by violence from the Church, in which, by ridicule and scurrilous jesting, they pervert the credulous and unformed minds of the young to the contempt of Holy Scripture. Should not these things, Venerable Brethren, stir up and set on fire the heart of every Pastor, so that to this "knowledge, falsely so called,"(28) may be opposed the ancient and true science which the Church, through the Apostles, has received from Christ, and that Holy Scripture may find the champions that are needed in so momentous a battle?