I will also add for the sake of HONEST readers of this thread, that I don't agree with my fellow flat earthers that scripture "proves" flat earth.

It makes much more sense when you know the truth of flat earth, and one can certainly be of the opinion theologically that it is contained in it, but it doesn't prove it in a SCIENTIFIC sense. No more than you can take a cooking recipe from a book on physics.

Jaynek, if cardinal bellarmine was of the opinion that truths on Gods creation were de fide, then ordinary lay people can be of that opinion also. Most especially when modern technology can show it to be true.

I do not have a problem with your position, if you come to it based on science.  I do not know (or care) enough about the science to express an opinion.  

Cardinal Bellarmine wrote his opinion that truths on God's creation were de fide before popes had written encyclicals saying otherwise.  There was nothing wrong with him writing that, but for us now, we are bound to follow the papal teaching.  Lay people might not be aware of the encyclicals, so it is not sinful for them to disobey them in ignorance, but once they have been informed, lay people are obliged to follow the Church teaching.

These are just links to wikipedia pages about the people!

There's nothing in it about them saying the earth is a globe!

This is the kind of intellectual dishonest I am well used to with globers.

I do not doubt that many of the people thought the earth was a globe. But I have seen far too many times quotations being mistranslated and misunderstood.

By the way, exactly what did you "appreciate" Jaynek about even stevens posts in the thread on the fathers??? Was it his total dishonesty which I exposed?

Yes, it is unfortunate that the list of people who believed in a globe earth did not have quotes that we could examine ourselves.  I would have preferred that too.  You are quite right that in its current form we can't be sure.

I thought that An Even Seven made legitimate points.  I was not convinced that there was anything dishonest about them.

To clarify another point I made earlier.

Scripture can be used to prove theologically, but just not in a physical and scientific way.

Did you even read the quote you yourself gave of St. Augustine????

He is talking about DIFFERENT FLAT EARTH MODELS.

But when it comes to the suggestion that the earth is ball, he is clearly against it. MORE DISHONESTY.

You have said that you are relying on your husband for science. Ordinarily that would be a good thing. But it this case you should think for yourself. He is certainly not going to be disciplining you for thinking the globe earth error, even if he probably should. So you should be courageous and make a stand on this.

It is still not too late jaynek to turn around...

I was not suggesting that St. Augustine believed the earth is a ball.  It seems to me that the quote is saying that questions about the shape and form of physical objects are not a matter of faith and that it can even be harmful to the faith to talk about it too much.

My husband will not spank me if I were to start believing the earth is flat.  He would probably, however, no longer allow me to read trad forums.  Much more importantly, he would lose all respect for trads and our views on anything and probably stop attending the TLM with me.  I fail to see how the shape of the earth is more important than my husband's salvation.  It is part of my duty as a wife to do all in my power to aid his salvation.  I am under no obligation at all to have an opinion on the shape of the earth.  There is nothing courageous about what you suggest.

It was quite clear to me, even in the English translation, that St. Thomas wrote of the spherical earth as one who accepted it as true and took it for granted.  This would be even clearer in the Latin because in that language the verb of contrafactual clauses is written in subjunctive rather than indicative mood.   I have not even heard of a scholar who suggests that St. Thomas did not believe in the globe earth.  There is nothing dishonest about me understanding a passage in the way that many (probably most) other people understand it.

As for the quotes, ultimately it does not matter whether or not they all show support for flat earth as you think.  What we need to be looking for in quotes from the Fathers regarding flat earth is the author's indication that he is writing about a matter faith.  If not, it is merely his personal opinion about natural science and not binding on us at all.  Can you produce quotes that say this is a matter of faith?
It seems pretty clear that St. Augustine taught that these kind of questions are not a matter of faith:

Now now, its one thing to write about a globe and quite another to teach about a globe.  Please provide any Catholic Father teaching on the globe.  Come to think of it, I'd be interested in seeing writings by those who are even mentioning the globe in passing.  Of the ones I know about only help my case, so in the interest of truth, do provide them.

There's no need to pretend, no need to guess, anything held  by the Church for over a thousand years "always, everywhere, and by all," is doctrine.  Don't take my word for it, go look it up.

Look it up where?  In the book you cited which is notorious among historians for completely fabricating information.

I was not suggesting that St. Augustine believed the earth is a ball.  It seems to me that the quote is saying that questions about the shape and form of physical objects are not a matter of faith and that it can even be harmful to the faith to talk about it too much.

My husband will not spank me if I were to start believing the earth is flat.  He would probably, however, no longer allow me to read trad forums.  Much more importantly, he would lose all respect for trads and our views on anything and probably stop attending the TLM with me.  I fail to see how the shape of the earth is more important than my husband's salvation.  It is part of my duty as a wife to do all in my power to aid his salvation.  I am under no obligation at all to have an opinion on the shape of the earth.  There is nothing courageous about what you suggest.

You said: "He would probably, however, no longer allow me to read trad forums.  Much more importantly, he would lose all respect for trads and our views on anything and probably stop attending the TLM with me."
So we have the smoking gun.  The reason you cannot be reasonable about flat earth.  Fear.  Fear of reprisal, fear of alienation, fear of people's opinions (beyond your husband's).  The fact is, you are afraid of being called stupid.  Yet that is exactly what you did to us in the beginning of this thread.  Yep, its all there in black and white.  Hopefully, there will be two lessons learned, fear not, cast not stones.  Oh, yea and a third one: earth is not a globe.