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Re: Did Catholics before the "Reformation" believe in FE?
« Reply #105 on: November 29, 2017, 10:08:52 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on November 29, 2017, 08:03:11 AM
    That was the same question I had.  Someone answered that flat earth essentially makes us feel closer to God than if we were a tiny spot in some vast universe.  Well, we really are tiny and insignificant compared to God.  When I reflect on the vastness of the universe and how awesome and impressive are God's works, that He created all this with little effort, it only increases my sense of His greatness and His power.  Now, Geocentrism IMO is more important in terms of our perception of God and creation.

    I can see how geocentrism can make more sense. However....in geocentrism, the sun is still considered to be 93,000,000 miles away. How does an object such as the sun rotate around the earth when it's so far away, and still provide light and warmth? 

    On a flat earth, the sun is much smaller and rotates above the earth. It makes more sense to me. 

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    Re: Did Catholics before the "Reformation" believe in FE?
    « Reply #106 on: November 29, 2017, 10:15:23 AM »
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    • Quote from: Truth is Eternal on November 29, 2017, 08:18:39 AM
    Freemasonic globe earthers make Catholics look ignorant. I am on a mission to continue to work toward the restoration of the Catholic church. Freemasonic globe earthers have no place in the Catholic church. Baal (globe worship/belief) is Satanism.

    I think that Catholics today don't even realize how they've been influenced by Freemaonic ideals, and how the freemasons has basically won.....for now.

    Our Lady will crush the serpents head, but until then, we're under the subjection of the Freemasons. Trad Catholics rightly see the Jєωιѕн conspiracy, but they don't want to see the great damage that Freemasons have done. And part of the freemasonic conspiracy is to make us perceive a conception of the universe that opposes Scripture and the early Church Fathers. 

    NASA is basically a freemasonic organization. 
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    Re: Did Catholics before the "Reformation" believe in FE?
    « Reply #107 on: November 29, 2017, 10:17:36 AM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on November 29, 2017, 10:08:52 AM
    I can see how geocentrism can make more sense. However....in geocentrism, the sun is still considered to be 93,000,000 miles away. How does an object such as the sun rotate around the earth when it's so far away, and still provide light and warmth?

    On a flat earth, the sun is much smaller and rotates above the earth. It makes more sense to me.

    Because it's bigger and generates more heat than in the flat earth model.

    Just to be clear, flat earth is also geocentric.
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    Re: Did Catholics before the "Reformation" believe in FE?
    « Reply #108 on: November 29, 2017, 10:23:11 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on November 29, 2017, 10:17:36 AM
    Because it's bigger and generates more heat than in the flat earth model.

    Just to be clear, flat earth is also geocentric.

    But not if it's really that far away. I mean.....93,000,000 is REALLY FAR away. How does a body like the sun rotate around the earth every 24 hours or so when it's such an extremely great distance away? 

    Flat earth is geocentric, but in a different way. The earth is not at the center of the universe, rather, it is below it. 
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    Re: Did Catholics before the "Reformation" believe in FE?
    « Reply #109 on: November 29, 2017, 10:28:47 AM »
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    • Quote from: RoughAshlar on November 29, 2017, 09:48:42 AM
    Ladislaus saying that he is overstating is being generous

    Kiwiboy saying that he is just zealous is understating.

    Does this seem like a rational person at all?

    Is there one traditional Catholic priest in the world that preaches flat earth is necessary for salvation?  To get to heaven your soul must be in the state of grace and have a firm belief that the earth is flat....Is there any priest/religious/visionary/doctor/pope anybody alive or dead that said that have said that believing that the earth is a globe is Satanism?  I don't remember that blasphemy being an unforgivable sin in my Catechism.  In the dozen encyclicals over the last 200+ years that spoke against Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ, was there a single one that said that the globe was a masonic deception?

    I'm all for the debating, but this is the level of crazy conspiracy of false religious fervor that turns people minds off.  It doesn't serve flat earth's agenda to allow this to continue.  This is the reason why this area of the forum is referred to as the ghetto of Cath Info.
    I have God on my side. God created the flat earth. GOD DID NOT CREATE GLOBE EARTHERS FREEMASONIC WORLDVIEW.
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    Re: Did Catholics before the "Reformation" believe in FE?
    « Reply #110 on: November 29, 2017, 10:32:02 AM »
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    • Quote from: Truth is Eternal on November 29, 2017, 10:28:47 AM
    I have God on my side. God created the flat earth. GOD DID NOT CREATE GLOBE EARTHERS FREEMASONIC WORLDVIEW.

    Exactly right. 
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    Re: Did Catholics before the "Reformation" believe in FE?
    « Reply #111 on: November 29, 2017, 10:36:17 AM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on November 29, 2017, 10:32:02 AM
    Exactly right.
    I am just so sick and tired of Catholics' who believe NASA more than the Catholic Church and the Bible. :facepalm:
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    Re: Did Catholics before the "Reformation" believe in FE?
    « Reply #112 on: November 29, 2017, 10:41:45 AM »
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    • Quote from: Truth is Eternal on November 29, 2017, 10:36:17 AM
    I am just so sick and tired of Catholics' who believe NASA more than the Catholic Church and the Bible. :facepalm:

    Agreed. In a way, NASA has replaced the Church in the realm of science, and this in turn has affected religion too. Quite a few Catholics believe that NASA (and the progressive "scientists" before NASA's existence), has corrected scripture and the early Church Fathers such as St. Jerome.
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    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Did Catholics before the "Reformation" believe in FE?
    « Reply #113 on: November 29, 2017, 10:55:01 AM »
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    • You make the most outrageous claims....I list the quotes and your reply is....
    Quote from: Truth is Eternal on November 29, 2017, 10:28:47 AM
    I have God on my side. God created the flat earth. GOD DID NOT CREATE GLOBE EARTHERS FREEMASONIC WORLDVIEW.
    Quote from: Truth is Eternal on November 29, 2017, 10:36:17 AM
    I am just so sick and tired of Catholics' who believe NASA more than the Catholic Church and the Bible. :facepalm:
    So I ask again.....

    Is there one traditional Catholic priest in the world that preaches flat earth is necessary for salvation?  Is there any priest/religious/visionary/doctor/pope anybody alive or dead that said that have said that believing that the earth is a globe is Satanism?  I don't remember that blasphemy being an unforgivable sin in my Catechism.  In the dozen encyclicals over the last 200+ years that spoke against Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ, was there a single one that said that the globe was a masonic deception?
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    Re: Did Catholics before the "Reformation" believe in FE?
    « Reply #114 on: November 29, 2017, 10:58:08 AM »
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    • Quote from: RoughAshlar on November 29, 2017, 10:55:01 AM
    You make the most outrageous claims....I list the quotes and your reply is....So I ask again.....

    Is there one traditional Catholic priest in the world that preaches flat earth is necessary for salvation?  Is there any priest/religious/visionary/doctor/pope anybody alive or dead that said that have said that believing that the earth is a globe is Satanism?  I don't remember that blasphemy being an unforgivable sin in my Catechism.  In the dozen encyclicals over the last 200+ years that spoke against Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ, was there a single one that said that the globe was a masonic deception?

    This question is off-topic, but would you mind explaining your username? 

    "RoughAshlar" is a freemasonic term, correct? Why then would you be using such a name? 
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    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Did Catholics before the "Reformation" believe in FE?
    « Reply #115 on: November 29, 2017, 10:58:54 AM »
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    • Quote from: Truth is Eternal on November 29, 2017, 10:36:17 AM
    I am just so sick and tired of Catholics' who believe NASA more than the Catholic Church and the Bible. :facepalm:

    You falsely equate Flat Earth Theory with "the Catholic Church and the Bible"; now, one could make a case for this with regard to geocentrism, since the Church condemned heliocentrism, but the Church has never taken a formal position on flat earth theory ... thankfully.
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    Re: Did Catholics before the "Reformation" believe in FE?
    « Reply #116 on: November 29, 2017, 11:00:59 AM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on November 29, 2017, 10:58:08 AM
    This question is off-topic, but would you mind explaining your username?

    "RoughAshlar" is a freemasonic term, correct? Why then would you be using such a name?

    That's a valid question.  Although one rebuttal of Flat Earth Theory holds that Freemasons have been the ones promoting Flat Earth.

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    Re: Did Catholics before the "Reformation" believe in FE?
    « Reply #117 on: November 29, 2017, 11:02:14 AM »
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    • Quote from: Truth is Eternal on November 29, 2017, 10:28:47 AM
    I have God on my side. God created the flat earth. GOD DID NOT CREATE GLOBE EARTHERS FREEMASONIC WORLDVIEW.

    Can you, then, attempt to address my question about why there are 24-hour days in Antarctica and very long days just north of it? 
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    Re: Did Catholics before the "Reformation" believe in FE?
    « Reply #118 on: November 29, 2017, 11:26:00 AM »
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    • Quote from: Truth is Eternal on November 29, 2017, 10:28:47 AM
    I have God on my side. God created the flat earth. GOD DID NOT CREATE GLOBE EARTHERS FREEMASONIC WORLDVIEW.
    Many Catholic Saints and the majority of Catholics throughout history believed the earth is a globe.  The Catholic consensus on a globe shaped earth preceded the existence of Freemasons by many centuries.

    Quote from: Meg on November 29, 2017, 10:15:23 AM
    I think that Catholics today don't even realize how they've been influenced by Freemaonic ideals, and how the freemasons has basically won.....for now.

    Our Lady will crush the serpents head, but until then, we're under the subjection of the Freemasons. Trad Catholics rightly see the Jєωιѕн conspiracy, but they don't want to see the great damage that Freemasons have done. And part of the freemasonic conspiracy is to make us perceive a conception of the universe that opposes Scripture and the early Church Fathers.
    Only some of the early Church Fathers believed in a flat earth.  They disagreed on this question.  Virtually all Catholics after that agree that the earth is a globe.

    Your understanding of Scripture goes against the teaching of Pope Leo XIII in Providentissimus Deus.   Catholics have been taught not to use Scripture to answer questions of science.  We use it as a guide to faith and morals.  Your approach to Scripture belongs to a Protestant Fundamentalist, not a Catholic.
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    Re: Did Catholics before the "Reformation" believe in FE?
    « Reply #119 on: November 29, 2017, 11:27:59 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on November 29, 2017, 11:00:59 AM
    That's a valid question.  Although one rebuttal of Flat Earth Theory holds that Freemasons have been the ones promoting Flat Earth.

    That's doesn't mean that I can't ask the question.

    Actually, I've been wondering for awhile now as to why this forum member would use the name of "RoughAshlar," since it's basically a freemasonic term. I've been thinking of asking him why, and this seemed like a good time to do so.

    Maybe there's a reasonable explanation as to why he's using that name, though I can't really think of one.
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