I am still awaiting an explanation about how a spherical earth does any harm to the faith.

The default position is the consensus held by Catholics (including St. Albert the Great and St. Thomas Aquinas) for over a thousand years.  The earth is shaped like a globe.  And what do you mean it has been refuted that St. Thomas believed in a spherical earth?  Anyone can read for himself what is written in the Summa.

And how do you explain that one get to China from America by travelling west and going across the Pacific Ocean or one can get to China by travelling east and going across the Atlantic Ocean?  Countless people have confirmed that the earth is not flat simply by their own personal travels.

St. Thomas on the globe earth http://flatearthtrads.forumga.net/t27-faqs-part-10

Circuмnavigation is easily done on the flat earth

Here is a one map https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-wia2gWGO9Cw/VrwBiKXY61I/AAAAAAAADoY/2r1s0JHFEjk/s1600/06_01_008377.JPG

Like walking around a room, one goes around the earth. The north pole is in the center. Which means navigation using compasses is done with reference to a center point. The sun and the moon go over and around the flat earth. (Not under)

This is getting to be comical.  How many bridges and tunnels projects have you been employed on?  Someone said it on a youtube video...or typed someone out in a w/bigger font, bolded it and made it underlined so it had to be true.  Or did they convince you with a really angry emoji?

Quote from: Truth is Eternal on Tue Nov 28 2017 09:42:39 GMT-0600 (Central Standard Time)
If I post pictures of the flat earth horizon, God demands you be converted.
Quote from: Truth is Eternal on Tue Nov 28 2017 09:39:56 GMT-0600 (Central Standard Time)
The heretical freemasonic globe earth belief is an obstacle to salvation. The globe belief, when God has clearly revealed to us that the earth is not a globe,
Quote from: Truth is Eternal on Sat Nov 25 2017 21:44:32 GMT-0600 (Central Standard Time)God created the flat earth. You just committed the unforgivable sin of Blasphemy. :really-mad2:

If Flat Earth was such a truth, and the Catholic Church's scientists and lay Catholic scientists have studied this for the last 600+ years, then why is there no plausible working model of the flat earth?  None of the drawings posted to support flat earth work? Not one Cathoic Scholar had a theory that they doodled? So lets break this down.  The 'freemasonic' science community have deceived the world for hundreds of years with their working models, mathematic equations, and calculations.  And we are left with "Not-uh look at this youtube video"....and "God demands you be converted, You just committed the unforgivable sin of Blasphemy. :really-mad2:"

No plausible working model???

You can't find what you are not looking for my friend...


you want to talk about flights?

Try this on for size....

http://flatearthtrads.forumga.net/t97-flights-from-nz-to-a-america

I am still awaiting an explanation about how a spherical earth does any harm to the faith.

Well you will understand it better once you have thoroughly studied the arguments for the flat earth, but I will respond anyway.

We neither feel any movement nor see any curvature. Additionally, if the earth is flat God is a lot closer to us than in the globe earth model. So to turn our hearts away from all that, once we have seen it, is detrimental to our reason, and consequentially to our faith.

That's it in a very short nutshell. If you stay open to the science on it, you will see it more and more. I have known FEW people who have come to the flat earth quickly. Most people need to study it privately and over a course of time. Intelligent people like yourself would most likely be in this category.

Did you just say planet!?

Naughty girl Meg!

you mean plane...

Oops....yes I said that!  :-[

I should have written 'plane' or just 'earth.'

By the time I realized my mistake, it was too late to edit the post. That what comes of being indoctrinated by the globe earth model all of my life, until fairly recently....

Baal (globe earth) worship/belief is Satanism.

It doesn't usually help your case to overstate things.

There are only two models in question. Flat or globe. Where the quotes attack the globe it can be assumed safely that the author thought the earth was flat.

So the quotes do support the thesis that wherever the Fathers spoke on the issue, the majority of them accepted the earth to be flat.

Even if we say that all the quotes given actually support FE, this does not change that there was no consensus at that time.  Opinion was divided in the first centuries of Christianity.  This is exactly the situation that Pope Leo XIII was talking about:

 The unshrinking defence of the Holy Scripture, however, does not require that we should equally uphold all the opinions which each of the Fathers or the more recent interpreters have put forth in explaining it; for it may be that, in commenting on passages where physical matters occur, they have sometimes expressed the ideas of their own times, and thus made statements which in these days have been abandoned as incorrect. Hence, in their interpretations, we must carefully note what they lay down as belonging to faith, or as intimately connected with faith-what they are unanimous in. For "in those things which do not come under the obligation of faith, the Saints were at liberty to hold divergent opinions, just as we ourselves are,"(55) according to the saying of St. Thomas. And in another place he says most admirably: "When philosophers are agreed upon a point, and it is not contrary to our faith, it is safer, in my opinion, neither to lay down such a point as a dogma of faith, even though it is perhaps so presented by the philosophers, nor to reject it as against faith, lest we thus give to the wise of this world an occasion of despising our faith."

Providentissiumus Deus


For most of the history of the Church, however, there has been a consensus and that was that the earth is a globe. This is the traditional position, taught by Doctors of the Church, not something introduced by Protestant, Freemasons, etc.

I have to say that I am saddened and disappointed in you. I cannot understand how you can support corporal discipline against all opposition, and yet Ladislaus is the one saying he is open to the flat earth! Topsy-turvy.

In that case, it is very clear (at least to me) that this is what Catholics taught, believed and practiced for most of our history.  In those threads I am stating what I know to be true so I stand on it. But FE is not something taught or believed for most of our history.  It is a myth from our enemies that Catholics widely believed FE.  On the contrary, we reached a consensus that the earth is a globe well over a thousand years ago.  In both cases, I am using research to identify the traditional belief.  I am not open to going against the traditional belief of Catholics.

I also notice that you glossed over the proofs I provided. You dodged the question of curvature. You assume like many a priori that the idea of a flat earth is absurd. How are we suppose to have a conversation with a person like that, who refuses to listen to what the other has to say?

If you reject a priori the proofs I provide then you have no right to say that science does not support the flat earth, when you have not even looked into it.

The problem with web forums is that once a person has dug their heals in and stated something publically, they are unlikely to change their mind. Try following Ladislaus' example of openess ( I can't believe I am saying this) and take a step back for a moment and consider for one moment that you might not be right all the time.

My background is in theology and history, so those are the arguments that I can best follow.  I am not sure that I would catch errors made in claims about science, so I don't want to talk about science.  Whenever I do want to comment about science I normally run it by my husband (who has an excellent science background) to make sure I've gotten it right.  He says that science does not support a flat earth so I am not open to thinking otherwise.

I have publicly changed my mind in forum discussions in the past and admitted being wrong.  But only after I've been convinced.