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Offline Jaynek

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Re: Did Catholics before the "Reformation" believe in FE?
« Reply #60 on: November 28, 2017, 09:51:03 AM »
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    • Quote from: Truth is Eternal on November 28, 2017, 09:42:39 AM
    If I post pictures of the flat earth horizon, God demands you be converted. Will you convert if I post pictures of showing the flat earth horizon?
    No, because a picture of a flat horizon does not prove the earth is flat.  God does not demand that I take a position that differs from the Venerable Bede, St. Thomas Aquinas and St. Albert the Great.
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    Re: Did Catholics before the "Reformation" believe in FE?
    « Reply #61 on: November 28, 2017, 09:52:59 AM »
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    • Quote from: Jaynek on November 28, 2017, 09:51:03 AM
    No, because a picture of a flat horizon does not prove the earth is flat.  God does not demand that I take a position that differs from the Venerable Bede, St. Thomas Aquinas and St. Albert the Great.
    Surveyors, engineers and architects are never required to factor the supposed curvature of the Earth into their projects. Canals, railways, bridges and tunnels for example are always cut and laid horizontally, often over hundreds of miles without any allowance for curvature.
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    Re: Did Catholics before the "Reformation" believe in FE?
    « Reply #62 on: November 28, 2017, 09:56:25 AM »
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    • Quote from: Jaynek on November 28, 2017, 09:51:03 AM
    No, because a picture of a flat horizon does not prove the earth is flat.  God does not demand that I take a position that differs from the Venerable Bede, St. Thomas Aquinas and St. Albert the Great.
    A horizontal line is not a curve. You are going to have to try harder that that if you are going to convince our God that He created a ball earth. :jester: 
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    Re: Did Catholics before the "Reformation" believe in FE?
    « Reply #63 on: November 28, 2017, 10:06:23 AM »
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    • Quote from: Truth is Eternal on November 28, 2017, 09:56:25 AM
    A horizontal line is not a curve. You are going to have to try harder that that if you are going to convince our God that He created a ball earth. :jester:
    God does not need to be convinced.  He knows, since He is the one who created the earth in the shape of a globe.  

    The ones who need to be convinced are the Flat Earthers who are imperiling souls by spreading their errors.  Unfortunately, it does not seem likely that they will let go of their wrong ideas.
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    Re: Did Catholics before the "Reformation" believe in FE?
    « Reply #64 on: November 28, 2017, 10:24:12 AM »
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    • Quote from: budDude on November 27, 2017, 09:47:49 PM
    The earth moves at 900 mph.
    But somehow my hair never goes out of place.  Fascinating.
    Thanks Coepernicus and Galileo.  Thanks Freemasons for celebrating them in your lodges.

    Well said!

    I didn't know that Coepernicus and Galileo are celebrated in freemasonic lodges, but it makes sense.

    Those two losers got the secular humanist ball rolling (pun intended) which led to the promotion of freemasonic ideals - and the "great architect of the universe" nonsense that the masons promote.

    It's easier to promote the gaotu god (a god that is neutral in human affairs) on a globe earth. The Rosicrucians also believe in the gaotu.
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    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

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    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Did Catholics before the "Reformation" believe in FE?
    « Reply #65 on: November 28, 2017, 10:42:40 AM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on November 28, 2017, 10:24:12 AM

    I didn't know that Coepernicus and Galileo are celebrated in freemasonic lodges, but it makes sense.
    Yes, it does.  Freemasons like to portray the Church as opposed to science and reason.  They must really appreciate how flat earthers help out with this.
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    Re: Did Catholics before the "Reformation" believe in FE?
    « Reply #66 on: November 28, 2017, 10:45:35 AM »
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    • Quote from: Jaynek on November 28, 2017, 10:42:40 AM
    Yes, it does.  Freemasons like to portray the Church as opposed to science and reason.  They must really appreciate how flat earthers help out with this.
    God science and God religion confirm flat earth is reality.
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    Re: Did Catholics before the "Reformation" believe in FE?
    « Reply #67 on: November 28, 2017, 10:46:25 AM »
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    • Quote from: Truth is Eternal on November 28, 2017, 09:56:25 AM
    A horizontal line is not a curve. You are going to have to try harder that that if you are going to convince our God that He created a ball earth. :jester:

    Agreed. The idea that God created a ball earth is ridiculous. 
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    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Did Catholics before the "Reformation" believe in FE?
    « Reply #68 on: November 28, 2017, 11:03:39 AM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on November 28, 2017, 10:46:25 AM
    Agreed. The idea that God created a ball earth is ridiculous.
    I believe the Baal (ball) earth belief is an obstacle in the way of the restoration of the Catholic Church.
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    Re: Did Catholics before the "Reformation" believe in FE?
    « Reply #69 on: November 28, 2017, 11:16:23 AM »
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    • Quote from: Truth is Eternal on November 28, 2017, 11:03:39 AM
    I believe the Baal (ball) earth belief is an obstacle in the way of the restoration of the Catholic Church.

    Oh, I agree. As long as most of the people on the planet, including Catholics, believe in a globe earth, there is a hindrance to a restoration.

    After all, to most people, our world is just another ball hurtling through space around the sun, and the sun is supposedly 93,000,000 miles away. That, of course, is not what scripture tells us though. 


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    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Did Catholics before the "Reformation" believe in FE?
    « Reply #70 on: November 28, 2017, 11:38:11 AM »
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    • Quote from: Truth is Eternal on November 28, 2017, 09:52:59 AM
    Surveyors, engineers and architects are never required to factor the supposed curvature of the Earth into their projects. Canals, railways, bridges and tunnels for example are always cut and laid horizontally, often over hundreds of miles without any allowance for curvature.
    This is getting to be comical.  How many bridges and tunnels projects have you been employed on?  Someone said it on a youtube video...or typed someone out in a w/bigger font, bolded it and made it underlined so it had to be true.  Or did they convince you with a really angry emoji?

    Quote from: Truth is Eternal on Tue Nov 28 2017 09:42:39 GMT-0600 (Central Standard Time)
    If I post pictures of the flat earth horizon, God demands you be converted.
    Quote from: Truth is Eternal on Tue Nov 28 2017 09:39:56 GMT-0600 (Central Standard Time)
    The heretical freemasonic globe earth belief is an obstacle to salvation. The globe belief, when God has clearly revealed to us that the earth is not a globe,
    Quote from: Truth is Eternal on Sat Nov 25 2017 21:44:32 GMT-0600 (Central Standard Time)God created the flat earth. You just committed the unforgivable sin of Blasphemy. :really-mad2:

    If Flat Earth was such a truth, and the Catholic Church's scientists and lay Catholic scientists have studied this for the last 600+ years, then why is there no plausible working model of the flat earth?  None of the drawings posted to support flat earth work? Not one Cathoic Scholar had a theory that they doodled? So lets break this down.  The 'freemasonic' science community have deceived the world for hundreds of years with their working models, mathematic equations, and calculations.  And we are left with "Not-uh look at this youtube video"....and "God demands you be converted, You just committed the unforgivable sin of Blasphemy. :really-mad2:"
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    Re: Did Catholics before the "Reformation" believe in FE?
    « Reply #71 on: November 28, 2017, 11:38:51 AM »
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    • The moon is a globe, the sun is a globe, planets, comets, asteroids, area all globular.  How is it "heretical," "masonic," and an "obstacle to salvation" to consider that the earth might be globular too?

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    Re: Did Catholics before the "Reformation" believe in FE?
    « Reply #72 on: November 28, 2017, 11:39:51 AM »
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    • How do flights from Argentina to Australia only take 12.5 hours, but flights from San Paulo to Johannesburg take 8.5 on your flat earth map?

    Where is this continuous mammoth ice wall around the circuмference of the Flat Earth.  Wouldn't there be at least one video of a fly by?  Yet why are there tourism flights and cruises? Why are there videos of fly overs?



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    Re: Did Catholics before the "Reformation" believe in FE?
    « Reply #73 on: November 28, 2017, 11:41:09 AM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on November 28, 2017, 11:16:23 AM
    After all, to most people, our world is just another ball hurtling through space around the sun, and the sun is supposedly 93,000,000 miles away. That, of course, is not what scripture tells us though.
    You are approaching Scripture like a Protestant Fundamentalist does.  Catholics follow the teaching given by Leo XIII in Providentissimus Deus.

    " ...we must remember, first, that the sacred writers, or to speak more accurately, the Holy Ghost "Who spoke by them, did not intend to teach men these things (that is to say, the essential nature of the things of the visible universe), things in no way profitable unto salvation."
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    Re: Did Catholics before the "Reformation" believe in FE?
    « Reply #74 on: November 28, 2017, 11:44:51 AM »
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    • Quote from: Truth is Eternal on November 28, 2017, 11:03:39 AM
    I believe the Baal (ball) earth belief is an obstacle in the way of the restoration of the Catholic Church.
    Restoration to what?  There has never been a time in the history of the Church in which Catholics as a group believed in FE.  It was a matter under dispute in the earliest centuries and then the consensus formed that the earth is a sphere.  
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