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Offline Freind

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Definitive Flat Earth Map
« on: December 05, 2025, 01:45:46 AM »
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  • Can anyone point to a map that is the definitive flat-earth map recognized by all or most Flat-Earthers?

    Offline Quo vadis Domine

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    Re: Definitive Flat Earth Map
    « Reply #1 on: December 05, 2025, 04:25:49 AM »
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  • There isn’t one, because no FE map or model can be reconciled with reality nor with common *observable* and *demonstrable* facts such as measurable distances and movements of the Sun and Moon. Yes, they can *seemingly* make a case for FE, but in truth it has more holes than a piece of Swiss cheese.
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    Re: Definitive Flat Earth Map
    « Reply #2 on: December 05, 2025, 06:42:39 AM »
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  • Can anyone point to a map that is the definitive flat-earth map recognized by all or most Flat-Earthers?

    Hereunder a picture of the Earth - either global or flat - that proposes the landmass before the FLOOD 


    Jerusalem centre of the Earth’s original landmass.


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    Re: Definitive Flat Earth Map
    « Reply #3 on: December 05, 2025, 09:38:18 AM »
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  • Can anyone point to a map that is the definitive flat-earth map recognized by all or most Flat-Earthers?

    Sure, of course.  It's right in here: 



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    Re: Definitive Flat Earth Map
    « Reply #4 on: December 05, 2025, 01:15:33 PM »
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  • There isn’t one, because no FE map or model can be reconciled with reality nor with common *observable* and *demonstrable* facts such as measurable distances and movements of the Sun and Moon. Yes, they can *seemingly* make a case for FE, but in truth it has more holes than a piece of Swiss cheese.

    100% False.  If there isn't a complete one, it's only because no one among FE has had the resources to produce one.  Herve Riboni, who had participated in sailing races around the world, has gone out there into the field to demonstrate that what we see in the typical maps has bene completely rigged, and he also demonstrates how they use "magnetic declination" to fake things in the Southern "Hemisphere".  He's actually working on a map right now.

    As for "maps", what's the definitive Globe map, eh?  Why is it that there are 100 different "projections" in existence?  They had used the "Mercator" for decades, but it's actually completely wrong vis-a-vis the Southern Hemisphere.  They then came up with Gall-Peters, which purports to show the ACTUAL sizes of the continents, which is completely diffrent from Mercator.  Then others have claimed Gall-Peters is incorrect also.  FEs have then gone to look at the Google Earth Globe model and found tons of problems and discrepancies with it, including lacunae in the data that line up precisely with what you'd need to do in order to patch flatness onto a ball, and in fact the globe model was constructed by weaving together many linear passes of satellites.

    So the simple fact is that we do not have a reliable and consistent map of the Globe.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_map_projections

    Now, where it becomes even more interesting is that the North Pol Azimuthal Equidistant Projection Map ... a real map projection that represents the FE model, arguably reflects reality rather than being merely a distorted projection, and the greatest evidence for that is this ...

    Simply go online to an Azimuthal Equipdistant map generation tool.  If you look at the North Pole Azimuthal Equidistant map, you can recognize quite clearly the shapes of the continents, with the one thing being that the Souther "Hemisphere" continents appear to be larger than you'd expect.  Well ... except that they are a very close match to the Gall-Peters projection map, which asserts that it accurately reflects the true size of those Southern "Hemisphere" continents, which had been artificially shrunk by the Mercator projection (due to the emphasis on Northern Hemisphere).  I've showed these on other threads.

    Now, by contrast, have a look at a South Pole Azimuthal Equidistant Projection.  So, you have a real problem here.  Most of the Northern Hemisphere is absolutely distorted, to to the point of being unrecognizable, and that's to be expected on an Azimuthal Equidistant.  But then why is the North Pole Equidistant showing the Southern "Hemisphere" continents in almost the same shape and configuration we see on the Gall-Peters, and the same shape but slightly larger than Mercator?  At the very least, the Souther part of Africa and South America would be much "fatter", so that those continents would look almost square ...

    UNLESS ...

    the North Pole Azimuthal Equidistant Map reflects reality rather than being a "projection".


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    Re: Definitive Flat Earth Map
    « Reply #5 on: December 05, 2025, 01:17:04 PM »
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  • I love it how the Glober morons just bloviate with platitudes and one-liners, being nothing but bullshit artists, who simply beg the question that we have a true / accurate map of the globe in the first place, and being unable to back up the talking points they regurgitate no matter how many times they've been debunked and refuted.

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    Re: Definitive Flat Earth Map
    « Reply #6 on: December 05, 2025, 01:19:05 PM »
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  • Hereunder a picture of the Earth - either global or flat - that proposes the landmass before the FLOOD


    Jerusalem centre of the Earth’s original landmass.

    So, this is based on that Pangea theory.  What do you supposed caused the breakup?  I mean, most likely the Flood, but how did that work, and by what mechanisms?  I've read things calling that theory into question, where the fact that South America fitting into Africa is not accurate, but due to something else that happend, but can't recall the details.

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    Re: Definitive Flat Earth Map
    « Reply #7 on: December 05, 2025, 01:30:40 PM »
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    Geocentrism is the view that the earth is the center of the universe, and that the universe (sun, moon, stars, planets) revolves around the earth. Most geocentrists also believe that the earth stands still, and does not rotate on its axis. Geocentrism is in contrast to heliocentrism, which is the view that the earth rotates on its axis and, along with the other planets, revolves around the sun. While it is permissible for Christians to hold the heliocentric view, heliocentrism can only be advanced as a theory, not a certainty (because neither heliocentrism nor geocentrism can be scientifically proven definitively). In fact, three Popes (Paul V, Urban VIII and Alexander VII) have officially declared that heliocentrism is opposed to Sacred Scripture, and condemned the notion that heliocentrism was a truth to be believed with certainty. Instead, the Scriptures, the Apostolic Tradition and teachings of the Church support a geocentric cosmology vis-à-vis a heliocentric one. Nota Bene: I am a faithful Catholic, not a scientist. I am obedient to the Magisterium of the Catholic Church. When presented with a question of faith (such as how God created the universe), I look to the Scriptures, the Tradition and the teachings of the Catholic Church for the answer. I do not rely upon modern scientists who have been unable to prove heliocentrism and disprove geocentrism, especially those who deny the inerrancy of Scripture and generally abhor the Catholic faith.

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    Re: Definitive Flat Earth Map
    « Reply #8 on: December 05, 2025, 01:34:01 PM »
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  • The emblem of the United Nations is a Flat Earth Map.

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    Re: Definitive Flat Earth Map
    « Reply #9 on: December 05, 2025, 01:40:29 PM »
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  • So, this is based on that Pangea theory.  What do you supposed caused the breakup?  I mean, most likely the Flood, but how did that work, and by what mechanisms?  I've read things calling that theory into question, where the fact that South America fitting into Africa is not accurate, but due to something else that happend, but can't recall the details.
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    It seems hard to deny that all the continents fit together like pieces of a jigsaw puzzle. I mean, when you get down to a fine level of detail, sometimes you see things that are just uncanny. My favorite example is the island of Cyprus, which clearly used to fit in the northeast corner of the Mediterranean sea and could plug into there like a USB plug, practically.

    It's hard to say whether the splitting of the continents took place during the Flood or at creation, but I think it seems more likely it was at creation since I don't see how the Flood could have literally moved continents across the globe. But I really don't know.

    There is a passage in Genesis that describes this part of creation, but it kind of sounds more like there was only one continent in creation.

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    And God said: Let there be a firmament made amidst the waters: and let it divide the waters from the waters.  7 And God made a firmament, and divided the waters that were under the firmament, from those that were above the firmament, and it was so.  8 And God called the firmament, Heaven; and the evening and morning were the second day.  9 God also said: Let the waters that are under the heaven, be gathered together into one place: and let the dry land appear. And it was so done.  10 And God called the dry land, Earth; and the gathering together of the waters, he called Seas. And God saw that it was good.

    So it says the waters were gathered together in one place, which sounds more like one vast, continuous ocean on the earth's surface. I think it would be hard to say that the earth as it exists today has the waters of the oceans all gathered together into one place. So maybe that's evidence that the continents were split in the Flood. I don't know.



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    Re: Definitive Flat Earth Map
    « Reply #10 on: December 05, 2025, 01:43:50 PM »
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  • Fernand Crombette wrote about this:

    "if what the Bible says is true, Jerusalem is at the centre of the world. He made up his mind to look into the matter. During his researches he discovered that Father P. Placet, a monk in 1668, had written a work entitled “The proof that before the Flood, there were no islands and that America was not separated from the rest of the world”.
    Knowing also of Wegener’s thesis on continental drift, he returns to the libraries (and towards the end of his studies, during the war 1939-1945, at the University of Grenoble) to find geological and bathymetric charts in an attempt to reconstitute the primitive single known to geographers as the PANGEA.
    Crombette’s inspired idea led him to look below the present contours of the continents, which vary according to the sea level, to the extreme edge of the continental shelf at a depth of 2.000 metres, where the sea bed falls away in a sharp drop into the ocean depths of 4.000 metres. Sixty years later, sub-marine drilling have confirmed that the continental granite shelf, beneath the marine sediments, is, in fact, found at this point. The motivation for his research at such a depth was Bible-based because he took the cosmogenic thesis of Kant, according to which the “waters on high”, separated by God at Creation, formed a water vapour ring around the earth which produced the forty days of great rain during the Flood.
    Fernand Crombette



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    Re: Definitive Flat Earth Map
    « Reply #11 on: December 05, 2025, 01:50:31 PM »
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  • As for "maps", what's the definitive Globe map, eh?  Why is it that there are 100 different "projections" in existence?
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    It is a globe. No flat map can accurately portray the surface of a sphere. The various projections necessarily distort the surface of the earth in various ways. That's why there are multiple flat versions of the map; they all distort the shape of the land masses in various ways, and it's just a matter of which type of distortion someone is okay with.

    But a system that claims the earth is flat should be able to produce a flat map of the earth that is perfectly accurate, i.e. that portrays correctly the size and shape of all land, and accurately portrays all the distances between all known locations in a manner that accurately matches observable measurements of distance when people travel from those locations to other locations. For example, if someone sails from one location to another and measures the distance he sails, that is the measured distance between those two points. A map that is accurate will portray the distance between those two locations as being the same as the distance measured by the sailor. Or, if someone claims the sailor did not measure the distance correctly or did not take the shortest route, it would be that person's burden of proof to sail between those two points and measure the distance himself, and then to produce a map that would accurately reflect what he measured.

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    Re: Definitive Flat Earth Map
    « Reply #12 on: December 05, 2025, 02:09:39 PM »
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    It is a globe. No flat map can accurately portray the surface of a sphere. The various projections necessarily distort the surface of the earth in various ways. That's why there are multiple flat versions of the map; they all distort the shape of the land masses in various ways, and it's just a matter of which type of distortion someone is okay with.

    But a system that claims the earth is flat should be able to produce a flat map of the earth that is perfectly accurate, i.e. that portrays correctly the size and shape of all land, and accurately portrays all the distances between all known locations in a manner that accurately matches observable measurements of distance when people travel from those locations to other locations. For example, if someone sails from one location to another and measures the distance he sails, that is the measured distance between those two points. A map that is accurate will portray the distance between those two locations as being the same as the distance measured by the sailor. Or, if someone claims the sailor did not measure the distance correctly or did not take the shortest route, it would be that person's burden of proof to sail between those two points and measure the distance himself, and then to produce a map that would accurately reflect what he measured.

    Thank you. I’ve answered his objections multiple times in the past and I prefer not to do it again. It is completely pointless to try to convince people who are unwilling to accept logical conclusions from irrefutable and demonstrable observations and evidence.
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    Re: Definitive Flat Earth Map
    « Reply #13 on: December 05, 2025, 04:44:05 PM »
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  • But a system that claims the earth is flat should be able to produce a flat map of the earth that is perfectly accurate,
    :facepalm:  This is not how true science works.  First, you hypothesize a theory, then your theory takes shape (pardon the pun), then you test it out, then you explain it in practical terms.

    Some guy in a barn just invented the combustible engine for a car, and you're asking for the design schematics of a 1950 Ford, Model T.  "Oh, you may have invented an engine, but if you can't show me a car design, it'll never work."  :facepalm:

    Your expectations are completely stupid and show your lack of critical thinking.

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    Re: Definitive Flat Earth Map
    « Reply #14 on: December 05, 2025, 05:06:59 PM »
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  • I've never seen an FE map that corresponds with people travelling by jet from Perth, Western Australia to Buenos Aires, Argentina.

    The jets fly over Antarctica on one side of the magnetic pole, and comes back on the other side. The compass interaction is a separate subject.

    But passengers can look at their analog watches and find their trip takes 14 hours, whereas any FE map shows it would take about 3 times as long as that.

    The real life trip corresponds clearly with the globe model.