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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Definitive Flat Earth Map
« Reply #35 on: December 07, 2025, 06:59:25 PM »
That is what keeps me from believing flat earth, that I have not come across a coherent system describing and modeling it. I might have missed it in this thread though.

So, there are two logically distinct phases here, and they're always conflated by the globe advocates, on purpose.

First, there's a mountain of evidence that falsifies or invalides the globe model.  Period.

So, according to the scientific method, you have to them provide a new hypothesis that explains this additional evidence.

You could in fact try to posit a globe that's, say, 10 times bigger than what they tell us, and this would explain some of the aberrant data, observations, and evidence.  Then you would test it to see if explains everything.

There's this begging of the question that the globers engage in, where they simply assume they have a valid model.  That's the entire point of all the FE evidence, that "no you don't ... your model does NOT work".

Then you add to it that nearly all ancient cultures had a flat earth cosmology, and to Catholics that means something, even if it doesn't for the evolutionists.  So, the latter hold that these were just a bunch of idiots and eventually learned better, as they progressed from out of the primordial soup, to grunts and groans, to using some primitive tools, and eventually stopped worshipping as a god everything they did not understand.  But Catholics have this notion of what's called "primitive revelation", where Adam (and Eve) had a complete and perfect knowledge of the natural order, and so if disparate cultures around the world had the same cosmology, there's a good chance it derives from Adam's knowledge.  It's very similar to the "universal consensus of the Fathers" criterion for Revelation and doctrine, where if all the Fathers scattered around the world say the same thing about some doctrinal matter, it comes from the Apostles and is part of the Deposit of Revelation.

Speaking of the Fathers, Sacred Scripture is entirely clear in describing a solid firmament above the earth, given its properties, where it keeps waters above from inundating the earth ... and there's no modern cosmological model that even comes close to accounting for it.  Modernist "Catholics" claim that the "firmament" is just a poetic way of describing "space", but that's nonsense if you actually look at what the Bible says about it and what the Church Fathers unanimously said about it.  Dr. Sungenis tried to explain it with a "Planck Fabric", and then later an Ice Ball / Dome ... but even he has to admit that just empty space absolutely does not cut it.  I think he abandoned Planck Fabric when he realized that it couldn't account for being something that kept watrs from inundating the earth.

Re: Definitive Flat Earth Map
« Reply #36 on: December 07, 2025, 07:04:22 PM »
So, there are two logically distinct phases here, and they're always conflated by the globe advocates, on purpose.

First, there's a mountain of evidence that falsifies or invalides the globe model.  Period.

So, according to the scientific method, you have to them provide a new hypothesis that explains this additional evidence.

You could in fact try to posit a globe that's, say, 10 times bigger than what they tell us, and this would explain some of the aberrant data, observations, and evidence.  Then you would test it to see if explains everything.

There's this begging of the question that the globers engage in, where they simply assume they have a valid model.  That's the entire point of all the FE evidence, that "no you don't ... your model does NOT work".

Then you add to it that nearly all ancient cultures had a flat earth cosmology, and to Catholics that means something, even if it doesn't for the evolutionists.  So, the latter hold that these were just a bunch of idiots and eventually learned better.  But Catholics have this notion of what's called "primitive revelation", where Adam (and Eve) had a complete and perfect knowledge of the natural order, and so if disparate cultures around the world had the same cosmology, there's a good chance it derives from Adam's knowledge.  It's very similar to the "universal consensus of the Fathers" criterion for Revelation and doctrine, where if all the Fathers scattered around the world say the same thing about some doctrinal matter, it comes from the Apostles and is part of the Deposit of Revelation.

Speaking of the Fathers, Sacred Scripture is entirely clear in describing a solid firmament above the earth, given its properties, where it keeps waters above from inundating the earth ... and there's no modern cosmological model that even comes close to accounting for it.  Modernist "Catholics" claim that the "firmament" is just a poetic way of describing "space", but that's nonsense if you actually look at what the Bible says about it and what the Church Fathers unanimously said about it.  Dr. Sungenis tried to explain it with a "Planck Fabric", and then later an Ice Ball / Dome ... but even he has to admit that just empty space absolutely does not cut it.  I think he abandoned Planck Fabric when he realized that it couldn't account for being something that kept watrs from inundating the earth.

I am asking once again what FE map you consider real. This is a reasonable request.


Offline Yeti

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Re: Definitive Flat Earth Map
« Reply #37 on: December 07, 2025, 09:16:44 PM »
You might want to try following your own advice, Yeti. (i.e. calling someone a "heretic" because you are not familiar with the Bible).
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Sorry, I thought the person in question was a protestant due to his bizarre interpretation of the Bible, but on searching the name of Fernand Crombette it turns he he actually was Catholic.

I retract my calling him a heretic.

Offline Matthew

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Re: Definitive Flat Earth Map
« Reply #38 on: December 07, 2025, 11:03:51 PM »
That is what keeps me from believing flat earth, that I have not come across a coherent system describing and modeling it. I might have missed it in this thread though.

Falsification is independent of replacement.

If I find a box in my closet with docuмents and various other proof that I was adopted -- then I was adopted. I have just falsified the idea that my "parents" are my biological parents. That is past tense, done, regardless of whether I am EVER able to locate my real biological parents.

What if I come up blank on locating my real biological parents? Then the adults I believed were my parents will just magically become my real biological parents? Even though I have proof to the contrary? It doesn't work that way.

You are basically saying that "No, those 2 adults are your parents and will remain your parents UNTIL you can show me your REAL parents. I don't care if you already have proof they are not your parents..."

See the problem with this argument?

That's what Ladislaus is saying too. There is no "monkey branching" involved -- i.e., holding on to one branch, until you have a firm grip on the next branch with the other hand. I am here to tell you that you are already grabbing empty air with the first hand. The existing branch (the NASA Globe model) is an illusion, a lie. There is no necessity of an "equally comprehensive or solid" branch to swing to, when the first branch is neither comprehensive nor solid. The solidity of that "branch" is all a lie, an illusion.