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Re: December 3rd supermoon -- this one is the biggest
« Reply #15 on: January 06, 2018, 12:33:04 PM »
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    The illuminated area is showing where daytime was at the moment of this past full moon, 15:47 UTC, Dec. 3rd, while the darkened area shows where it was night at that time.
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    Worldwide map via the US Naval Observatory.
    Day and night sides of Earth at the instant of full moon
    (2017 December 3 at 15:47 UTC).
    The shadow line at left depicts sunrise December 3
    and the the shadow line at right represents sunset December 3.

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    Why is the illuminated area shaped like a bell-curve? Does the sun shine all the time with this pattern of light?
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    The caption refers to the "shadow line at left" and "the shadow line at right," What about the shadow line at the top and the shadow line at the bottom?
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    Furthermore, why does the shadow line curve in between the left and the top, and again between the right and the bottom?
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    First, that's an artist's depiction of what they think is occurring and second, why do you think it does?  
    "Even a man who is pure in heart and says his prayers by night
    may become a wolf when the wolfbane blooms and the autumn moon is bright."


    Offline Smedley Butler

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    Re: December 3rd supermoon -- this one is the biggest
    « Reply #16 on: January 06, 2018, 12:34:38 PM »
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  • Moon phases, Venus phases, or Saturn phases have zero to do with the flat plane of earth. 
    They are circuiting above it. The phase comes from their position in relation to the sun's position and nothing more.
    Also, the mirror reversal of the moon phase from the north view compared to the view from the south is due only to the law of perspective from their differing locations on the flat plane. 


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    Re: December 3rd supermoon -- this one is the biggest
    « Reply #17 on: January 06, 2018, 12:39:57 PM »
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    From the very informative website:
    http://earthsky.org/tonight/december-cold-moon-tonight
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    Tonight – December 2, 2017 – watch for the nearly full moon. As seen from around the world, the moon will shine pretty much all night long, starting around sunset on this night. Although the calendar gives December 3 as the full moon date, the exact clock time (and possibly the date) of the full moon varies by time zone. No matter where you live worldwide, the moon will appear plenty full to the eye both tonight and tomorrow night.
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    By the way, this full moon will be the only full moon supermoon to light up our sky in 2017. What’s a supermoon? Read more about it in our post for December 3, 2017.
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    The December 2 moon shines in front of the constellation Taurus the Bull. Despite the lunar glare, you still might be able to make out Aldebaran, Taurus’ brightest star, and possibly the Pleiades star cluster.
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    Read more: Occultation of Aldebaran on the night of December 2-3, 2017
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    Worldwide map via the US Naval Observatory. Day and night sides of Earth at the instant of full moon (2017 December 3 at 15:47 UTC). The shadow line at left depicts sunrise December 3 and the the shadow line at right represents sunset December 3.
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    The full moon, our nocturnal sun, stays out throughout the night, and then sleeps in during the day. The December full moon, like the June sun, climbs up high as seen from the Northern Hemisphere sky. A full moon near the winter solstice travels a high path across the sky and stays in the sky for all hours of the night. That’s why one of the names for this full moon is the Long Night Moon.
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    From the Southern Hemisphere, where the days are long and the nights are short, the December full moon follows the low path of the winter sun. After all, it’s the hot season in that hemisphere now.
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    From the contiguous United States, the moon reaches the crest of its full phase during the daylight hours on December 3, when the moon is beneath our horizon. At North American time zones, the moon turns precisely full – resides 180o from the sun in ecliptic longitude – at 11:47 a.m. AST, 10:47 a.m. EST, 9:47 a.m. CST, 8:47 a.m. MST and 7:47 a.m. PST.
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    However, if you live in Alaska or Hawaii, the moon turns full before sunrise December 3, meaning the moon will be in your sky at the instant of full moon, which takes place on December 3, 2017, at 15:47 Universal Time (UTC) – or 6:47 a.m. AKST (Alaska Standard Time) and 5:47 a.m. Hawaii-Aleution Standard Time (HAST).
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    Bottom line: From around the world, the December 2, 2017 moon shines in the east at nightfall, climbs highest for the night around midnight and sets in the west around sunrise December 3. For the contiguous United States, the moon will turn precisely full during the daylight hours on December 3, when the moon is below the horizon.
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    Speaking of the Naval Observatory, the North Koreans would love to know that some Americans are flat-earthers - they would likely hope that some of the people responsible for ICBM tracking are ignorant of the earth's curvature, so the Korean missiles would then have a decided advantage.
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    Somehow I get the sense that you believe this post shares a remarkable insight and one that is damning to the Flat Earth cause.  I must confess, I fail to see the profoundness of it for the following reason:
    1.)  The Moon should appear Full and to rise and fall, east to west all over the World on a Flat Earth.  

    "Even a man who is pure in heart and says his prayers by night
    may become a wolf when the wolfbane blooms and the autumn moon is bright."

    Offline WholeFoodsTrad

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    Re: December 3rd supermoon -- this one is the biggest
    « Reply #18 on: January 06, 2018, 12:44:37 PM »
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    The moon is circular but not spherical? Do you have any proof of this claim?
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    The moon has been proven largely transparent and completely self-luminescent?
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    And you think that anyone is going to take you seriously?
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    What evidence do you have of the transparency of the moon?
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    Bad CGI images?  :jester:
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    You accuse others of having used CGI but you can't do any better yourself?
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    Take a look at the full moon, and tell everyone what you see.
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    Where is the sun when the full moon is at 12:00 midnight?
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    Buy the gun and shoot the temperatures yourself Neil.  You'll find, as everyone else does, that Moonlight has a cooling effect, while Sunlight has a warming effect.  Can you explain that, with your Moon is reflecting Sunlight theory Neil? 
    "Even a man who is pure in heart and says his prayers by night
    may become a wolf when the wolfbane blooms and the autumn moon is bright."

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    Re: December 3rd supermoon -- this one is the biggest
    « Reply #19 on: January 06, 2018, 07:08:59 PM »
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  • A Friend told me that the full moon of January 2, 2018 was the largest in  150 years.


    Offline Neil Obstat

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    Re: December 3rd supermoon -- this one is the biggest
    « Reply #20 on: January 06, 2018, 09:13:50 PM »
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  • A Friend told me that the full moon of January 2, 2018 was the largest in  150 years.
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    I've seen the moon appear enormous when it first rises in the eastern sky under certain atmospheric conditions.
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    Something to do with humidity and the curving atmosphere of the spheroid earth.
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    But apparently we have 3 full moons in a row that are "super moons" due to the proximity of the present orbit. 
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    One more is coming at the end of this month -- that will be the 3rd.
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    Re: December 3rd supermoon -- this one is the biggest
    « Reply #21 on: January 06, 2018, 09:19:06 PM »
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    Offline Neil Obstat

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    Re: December 3rd supermoon -- this one is the biggest
    « Reply #22 on: January 06, 2018, 09:24:22 PM »
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  • First, that's an artist's depiction of what they think is occurring and second, why do you think it does?  
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    Yes, it's an artist's depiction, that is, a graphic artist. The curving line is plotted by observational data.
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    It's not "what they think is occurring" it's what has been tabulated and recorded, in fact.
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    Remember the total solar eclipse, how all the data was calculated and predicted and the eclipse did precisely what was anticipated?
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    The scientists who foretold where the moon's shadow would fall minute by minute were not flat-earthers BTW.
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    It depicts a snapshot of where the sun's daylight illumines the earth and where it does not, at one moment in time.
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    There is no way to get a photograph of this because it's shown on a Mercator projection, which is artificial, and necessarily so because to make a spherical object appear flat for illustration you have to include particular distortions.
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    But the distortions don't have to interfere with the overall shape of the day/night transition profile.
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    Re: December 3rd supermoon -- this one is the biggest
    « Reply #23 on: January 07, 2018, 12:37:43 AM »
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    Yes, it's an artist's depiction, that is, a graphic artist. The curving line is plotted by observational data.
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    It's not "what they think is occurring" it's what has been tabulated and recorded, in fact.
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    Remember the total solar eclipse, how all the data was calculated and predicted and the eclipse did precisely what was anticipated?
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    The scientists who foretold where the moon's shadow would fall minute by minute were not flat-earthers BTW.
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    It depicts a snapshot of where the sun's daylight illumines the earth and where it does not, at one moment in time.
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    There is no way to get a photograph of this because it's shown on a Mercator projection, which is artificial, and necessarily so because to make a spherical object appear flat for illustration you have to include particular distortions.
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    But the distortions don't have to interfere with the overall shape of the day/night transition profile.
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    Do you think the appearance of a bell shaped curve proves something about the shape of The Earth? 
    "Even a man who is pure in heart and says his prayers by night
    may become a wolf when the wolfbane blooms and the autumn moon is bright."

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    Re: December 3rd supermoon -- this one is the biggest
    « Reply #24 on: January 07, 2018, 01:27:32 AM »
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  • Do you think the appearance of a bell shaped curve proves something about the shape of The Earth?
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    The curve shows you where daytime changes into night time.
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    Every day, this same pattern appears on the face of the earth. Every day. Every day. Every day.
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    So it's not a fluke, and it's not pretend, and it's not a fantasy. It is reality.
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    If you can explain how to get that curve when you think the sun is whirling around like a dervish over your "flat" earth, be my guest.
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    Re: December 3rd supermoon -- this one is the biggest
    « Reply #25 on: January 07, 2018, 07:49:54 AM »
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    The curve shows you where daytime changes into night time.
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    Every day, this same pattern appears on the face of the earth. Every day. Every day. Every day.
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    So it's not a fluke, and it's not pretend, and it's not a fantasy. It is reality.
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    If you can explain how to get that curve when you think the sun is whirling around like a dervish over your "flat" earth, be my guest.
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    The horizon always appears perfectly flat 360 degrees around the observer regardless of altitude. All amateur balloon, rocket, plane and drone footage show a completely flat horizon over 20+ miles high. Only NASA and other government "space agencies" show curvature in their fake CGI photos/videos.

    The horizon always rises to the eye level of the observer as altitude is gained, so you never have to look down to see it. If Earth were in fact a globe, no matter how large, as you ascended the horizon would stay fixed and the observer / camera would have to tilt looking down further and further to see it.

    The natural physics of water is to find and maintain its level. If Earth were a giant sphere tilted, wobbling and hurdling through infinite space then truly flat, consistently level surfaces would not exist here. But since Earth is in fact an extended flat plane, this fundamental physical property of fluids finding and remaining level is consistent with experience and common sense.
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    Re: December 3rd supermoon -- this one is the biggest
    « Reply #26 on: January 07, 2018, 12:27:09 PM »
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    The curve shows you where daytime changes into night time.
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    Every day, this same pattern appears on the face of the earth. Every day. Every day. Every day.
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    So it's not a fluke, and it's not pretend, and it's not a fantasy. It is reality.
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    If you can explain how to get that curve when you think the sun is whirling around like a dervish over your "flat" earth, be my guest.
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    And how is this pattern supposed to prove a Globe Earth Neil?  
    "Even a man who is pure in heart and says his prayers by night
    may become a wolf when the wolfbane blooms and the autumn moon is bright."

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    Re: December 3rd supermoon -- this one is the biggest
    « Reply #27 on: January 07, 2018, 01:23:46 PM »
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  • I had taken a picture of the supermoon.  Pretty awesome.



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    Re: December 3rd supermoon -- this one is the biggest
    « Reply #28 on: January 07, 2018, 04:22:24 PM »
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  • I had taken a picture of the supermoon.  Pretty awesome.
    Are you a professional photographer?  
    "Even a man who is pure in heart and says his prayers by night
    may become a wolf when the wolfbane blooms and the autumn moon is bright."

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    Re: December 3rd supermoon -- this one is the biggest
    « Reply #29 on: January 07, 2018, 04:25:55 PM »
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  • And how is this pattern supposed to prove a Globe Earth Neil?  
    :popcorn:
    "Even a man who is pure in heart and says his prayers by night
    may become a wolf when the wolfbane blooms and the autumn moon is bright."