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Title: December 3rd supermoon -- this one is the biggest
Post by: Neil Obstat on December 02, 2017, 09:15:01 PM
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From the very informative website:
http://earthsky.org/tonight/december-cold-moon-tonight
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Tonight – December 2, 2017 – watch for the nearly full moon. As seen from around the world, the moon will shine pretty much all night long, starting around sunset on this night. Although the calendar gives December 3 as the full moon date, the exact clock time (and possibly the date) of the full moon varies by time zone. No matter where you live worldwide, the moon will appear plenty full to the eye both tonight and tomorrow night.
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By the way, this full moon will be the only full moon supermoon to light up our sky in 2017. What’s a supermoon? Read more about it in our post for December 3, 2017 (http://earthsky.org/tonight/full-supermoon-on-december-3).
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The December 2 moon shines in front of the constellation Taurus the Bull (http://earthsky.org/constellations/taurus-heres-your-constellation). Despite the lunar glare, you still might be able to make out Aldebaran (http://earthsky.org/brightest-stars/aldebaran-is-taurus-bloodshot-eye), Taurus’ brightest star, and possibly the Pleiades star cluster (http://earthsky.org/favorite-star-patterns/pleiades-star-cluster-enjoys-worldwide-renown).
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Read more: Occultation of Aldebaran on the night of December 2-3, 2017 (http://earthsky.org/tonight/moon-and-aldebaran-in-early-december)
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(http://en.es-static.us/upl/2017/12/map-december-3-1547-utc-800x400.png)
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Worldwide map via the US Naval Observatory (http://aa.usno.navy.mil/data/docs/earthview.php). Day and night sides of Earth at the instant of full moon (2017 December 3 at 15:47 UTC). The shadow line at left depicts sunrise December 3 and the the shadow line at right represents sunset December 3.
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The full moon, our nocturnal sun, stays out throughout the night, and then sleeps in during the day. The December full moon, like the June sun, climbs up high as seen from the Northern Hemisphere sky. A full moon near the winter solstice travels a high path across the sky and stays in the sky for all hours of the night. That’s why one of the names for this full moon is the Long Night Moon.
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From the Southern Hemisphere, where the days are long and the nights are short, the December full moon follows the low path of the winter sun. After all, it’s the hot season in that hemisphere now.
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From the contiguous United States (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contiguous_United_States), the moon reaches the crest of its full phase during the daylight hours on December 3, when the moon is beneath our horizon. At North American time zones, the moon turns precisely full – resides 180o from the sun in ecliptic longitude (http://time.unitarium.com/moon/where.html) – at 11:47 a.m. AST (http://www.astropixels.com/ephemeris/astrocal/astrocal2017ast.html), 10:47 a.m. EST (http://www.astropixels.com/ephemeris/astrocal/astrocal2017est.html), 9:47 a.m. CST (http://www.astropixels.com/ephemeris/astrocal/astrocal2017cst.html), 8:47 a.m. MST (http://www.astropixels.com/ephemeris/astrocal/astrocal2017mst.html) and 7:47 a.m. PST (http://www.astropixels.com/ephemeris/astrocal/astrocal2017pst.html).
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However, if you live in Alaska or Hawaii, the moon turns full before sunrise December 3, meaning the moon will be in your sky at the instant of full moon, which takes place on December 3, 2017, at 15:47 Universal Time (UTC) (http://earthsky.org/astronomy-essentials/universal-time) – or 6:47 a.m. AKST (Alaska Standard Time) (http://www.astropixels.com/ephemeris/astrocal/astrocal2017akst.html) and 5:47 a.m. Hawaii-Aleution Standard Time (HAST) (http://www.astropixels.com/ephemeris/astrocal/astrocal2017hst.html).
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Bottom line: From around the world, the December 2, 2017 moon shines in the east at nightfall, climbs highest for the night around midnight and sets in the west around sunrise December 3. For the contiguous United States, the moon will turn precisely full during the daylight hours on December 3, when the moon is below the horizon.
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Speaking of the Naval Observatory, the North Koreans would love to know that some Americans are flat-earthers - they would likely hope that some of the people responsible for ICBM tracking are ignorant of the earth's curvature, so the Korean missiles would then have a decided advantage.
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Title: Re: December 3rd supermoon -- this one is the biggest
Post by: Neil Obstat on December 04, 2017, 07:47:36 PM
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The sun just went down on the west coast and the full supermoon is rising again.
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This is an excellent opportunity to see the moon in all its glory.
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Anyone who doesn't take a minute to open your eyes and see is missing out.
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Title: Re: December 3rd supermoon -- this one is the biggest
Post by: Neil Obstat on December 05, 2017, 09:19:28 AM
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(http://en.es-static.us/upl/2017/12/map-december-3-1547-utc-800x400.png)
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The illuminated area is showing where daytime was at the moment of this past full moon, 15:47 UTC, Dec. 3rd, while the darkened area shows where it was night at that time.
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Worldwide map via the US Naval Observatory (http://aa.usno.navy.mil/data/docs/earthview.php).
Day and night sides of Earth at the instant of full moon
(2017 December 3 at 15:47 UTC).
The shadow line at left depicts sunrise December 3
and the the shadow line at right represents sunset December 3.

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Why is the illuminated area shaped like a bell-curve? Does the sun shine all the time with this pattern of light?
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The caption refers to the "shadow line at left" and "the shadow line at right," What about the shadow line at the top and the shadow line at the bottom? 
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Furthermore, why does the shadow line curve in between the left and the top, and again between the right and the bottom?
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Title: Re: December 3rd supermoon -- this one is the biggest
Post by: WholeFoodsTrad on December 13, 2017, 12:31:30 PM
I love looking at the Moon from the flat earth perspective.  It just feels right.  
Title: Re: December 3rd supermoon -- this one is the biggest
Post by: Neil Obstat on December 13, 2017, 04:14:03 PM
I love looking at the Moon from the flat earth perspective.  It just feels right.  
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That's nice you're enjoying this amazing sight!

Oh, BTW perhaps you wouldn't mind describing the sight of this:

How does the moon's light make this nightly pattern on the surface of the flat earth?

The shadow line showing the limits of the moonlight is the edge of the dark portion:
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(http://en.es-static.us/upl/2017/12/map-december-3-1547-utc-800x400.png)
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This is a winter moonlight diagram, not spring, summer or fall.
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Title: Re: December 3rd supermoon -- this one is the biggest
Post by: Neil Obstat on December 13, 2017, 04:19:50 PM
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Incidentally, I would appreciate knowing why flat-earthers like to show erroneous diagrams that have the moon circling their "flat" earth south of the equator as if it's in winter, while they show the sun circling their "flat" earth north of the equator as if it's in summer?
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Do flat-earthers enjoy making themselves into their own enemies?
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(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/kSVeTt3hN5iGq72tYc48KW3magQpgS-RBSrHfpNmkc0QGO2tisC4YKDIaHX67s3Kybk=h310-rw)
Title: Re: December 3rd supermoon -- this one is the biggest
Post by: WholeFoodsTrad on December 14, 2017, 03:45:18 PM
I understand all the stuff  you're posting.  Sorry.  
Title: Re: December 3rd supermoon -- this one is the biggest
Post by: WholeFoodsTrad on December 14, 2017, 04:00:35 PM
I understand all the stuff  you're posting.  Sorry.  
That's supposed to say, I don't understand all the stuff you're posting.  
Title: Re: December 3rd supermoon -- this one is the biggest
Post by: Neil Obstat on January 02, 2018, 07:04:21 PM
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Tonight will be another full moon, just one day after the full moon proper. In my area the sky was cloudy yesterday so I couldn't see the moon very well.
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They're calling this the Full Wolf Moon. It's still at 99%.
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(https://www.almanac.com/sites/default/files/styles/promoted_content_760x570/public/image_nodes/full_wolf_moon.jpg?itok=Ey6dgzYL)

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So if you can see the moon tonight, it's still not too late to make the following observation.
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At midnight, (or for an hour or two before or after) look up at the full wolf moon, and think about where the sun is.
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You can't see the sun, but you can see the effect the sunshine has on the moon.
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In order for the sun to shine on the moon to make it look that way, ask yourself, "Where is the sun?" 
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Title: Re: December 3rd supermoon -- this one is the biggest
Post by: Neil Obstat on January 02, 2018, 07:11:14 PM
(http://en.es-static.us/upl/2015/12/moon-earth-sun-ask.com_.jpg)

Illustration showing the arrangement of moon, earth and sun during the full moon.
Title: Re: December 3rd supermoon -- this one is the biggest
Post by: Neil Obstat on January 02, 2018, 07:36:31 PM
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http://earthsky.org/moon-phases/full-moon
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(http://en.es-static.us/upl/2017/12/moon-full-supermoon-Peter-Lowenstein-12-3-2017-Mutare-Zimbabwe-e1512342106196.jpg)
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The first (or second) day of the new year features a full moon and 2018’s largest and closest supermoon. In other words, this full moon will be near perigee (http://www.dictionary.com/browse/perigee), or the closest point of the moon in orbit for this month. Your eye probably can’t detect a difference in size between this supermoon and any ordinary full moon (although experienced observers say (http://earthsky.org/space/can-you-discern-supermoons-large-size-with-the-eye-an-observer-says-yes) they can detect a size difference). But the supermoon is substantially brighter than an ordinary full moon. 

The moon turns precisely full at the same instant worldwide (January 2, 2018 at 2:24 UTC (http://earthsky.org/astronomy-essentials/universal-time)), the time – and possibly the date – of the full moon varies according to one’s time zone. At North American and U.S. time zones, the full moon happens on the evening of January 1 at these times:

22:24 (10:24 p.m.) Atlantic Standard Time (AST) (http://astropixels.com/ephemeris/astrocal/astrocal2018ast.html)
21:24 (9:24 p.m.) Eastern Standard Time (EST) (http://astropixels.com/ephemeris/astrocal/astrocal2018est.html)
20:24 (8:24 p.m.) Central Standard Time (CST) (http://astropixels.com/ephemeris/astrocal/astrocal2018cst.html)
19:24 (7:24 p.m.) Mountain Standard Time (MST) (http://astropixels.com/ephemeris/astrocal/astrocal2018mst.html)
18:24 (6:24 p.m.) Pacific Standard Time (PST) (http://astropixels.com/ephemeris/astrocal/astrocal2018pst.html)
17:24 (5:24 p.m.) Alaska Standard Time (AKST) (http://astropixels.com/ephemeris/astrocal/astrocal2018akst.html)
16:24 (4:24 p.m.) Hawaiian Standard Time (HST) (http://astropixels.com/ephemeris/astrocal/astrocal2018hst.html)


Like every full moon, this one is opposite the sun from Earth. It’ll rise in the east as the sun sets in the west, ascend to its highest point in the sky in the middle of the night, and set in the west around dawn. 

Clouded out? The Virtual Telescope Project in Rome is offering an online viewing of the January 1 supermoon (https://www.virtualtelescope.eu/2017/12/23/new-year-with-the-supermoon-1-jan-2018/).
Title: Re: December 3rd supermoon -- this one is the biggest
Post by: Truth is Eternal on January 02, 2018, 09:19:49 PM
NASA and modern astronomy maintain that the Moon is a solid, spherical, Earth-like habitation which man has actually flown to and set foot on. They claim the Moon is a non-luminescent planetoid which receives and reflects all its light from the Sun. The reality is, however, that the Moon is observably not a solid body, it is clearly circular, but not spherical, and not in any way an Earth-like planetoid which humans could set foot on. In fact, the Moon has been proven largely transparent and completely self-luminescent, shining with its own unique light.
Title: Re: December 3rd supermoon -- this one is the biggest
Post by: Neil Obstat on January 06, 2018, 12:31:14 AM
NASA and modern astronomy maintain that the Moon is a solid, spherical, Earth-like habitation which man has actually flown to and set foot on. They claim the Moon is a non-luminescent planetoid which receives and reflects all its light from the Sun. The reality is, however, that the Moon is observably not a solid body, it is clearly circular, but not spherical, and not in any way an Earth-like planetoid which humans could set foot on. In fact, the Moon has been proven largely transparent and completely self-luminescent, shining with its own unique light.
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The moon is circular but not spherical? Do you have any proof of this claim?
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The moon has been proven largely transparent and completely self-luminescent?
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And you think that anyone is going to take you seriously?
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What evidence do you have of the transparency of the moon?
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Bad CGI images?  :jester:
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You accuse others of having used CGI but you can't do any better yourself?
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Take a look at the full moon, and tell everyone what you see.
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Where is the sun when the full moon is at 12:00 midnight?
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Title: Re: December 3rd supermoon -- this one is the biggest
Post by: Neil Obstat on January 06, 2018, 12:33:52 AM
 I don't understand all the stuff you're posting.    Sorry.  
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What don't you understand? Do you know what the full moon is?
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Have you ever seen a full moon?
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Do you get out much?
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Title: Re: December 3rd supermoon -- this one is the biggest
Post by: WholeFoodsTrad on January 06, 2018, 12:22:06 PM
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What don't you understand? Do you know what the full moon is?
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Have you ever seen a full moon?
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Do you get out much?
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Dear Mr. No it all, 

I've finally gotten the time to read your posts!  I wonder wether you are sincere, learning disabled or a liar.  So, I've decided to extend some of my time to you, in the hopes of gaining some insight into your true character and, in the process, perhaps loosening some of the chains that bind your fettered mind.  

Sincerely, 
WholeFoodsTrad

Title: Re: December 3rd supermoon -- this one is the biggest
Post by: WholeFoodsTrad on January 06, 2018, 12:33:04 PM
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(http://en.es-static.us/upl/2017/12/map-december-3-1547-utc-800x400.png)
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The illuminated area is showing where daytime was at the moment of this past full moon, 15:47 UTC, Dec. 3rd, while the darkened area shows where it was night at that time.
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Worldwide map via the US Naval Observatory (http://aa.usno.navy.mil/data/docs/earthview.php).
Day and night sides of Earth at the instant of full moon
(2017 December 3 at 15:47 UTC).
The shadow line at left depicts sunrise December 3
and the the shadow line at right represents sunset December 3.

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Why is the illuminated area shaped like a bell-curve? Does the sun shine all the time with this pattern of light?
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The caption refers to the "shadow line at left" and "the shadow line at right," What about the shadow line at the top and the shadow line at the bottom?
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Furthermore, why does the shadow line curve in between the left and the top, and again between the right and the bottom?
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First, that's an artist's depiction of what they think is occurring and second, why do you think it does?  
Title: Re: December 3rd supermoon -- this one is the biggest
Post by: Smedley Butler on January 06, 2018, 12:34:38 PM
Moon phases, Venus phases, or Saturn phases have zero to do with the flat plane of earth. 
They are circuiting above it. The phase comes from their position in relation to the sun's position and nothing more.
Also, the mirror reversal of the moon phase from the north view compared to the view from the south is due only to the law of perspective from their differing locations on the flat plane. 
Title: Re: December 3rd supermoon -- this one is the biggest
Post by: WholeFoodsTrad on January 06, 2018, 12:39:57 PM
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From the very informative website:
http://earthsky.org/tonight/december-cold-moon-tonight
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Tonight – December 2, 2017 – watch for the nearly full moon. As seen from around the world, the moon will shine pretty much all night long, starting around sunset on this night. Although the calendar gives December 3 as the full moon date, the exact clock time (and possibly the date) of the full moon varies by time zone. No matter where you live worldwide, the moon will appear plenty full to the eye both tonight and tomorrow night.
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By the way, this full moon will be the only full moon supermoon to light up our sky in 2017. What’s a supermoon? Read more about it in our post for December 3, 2017 (http://earthsky.org/tonight/full-supermoon-on-december-3).
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The December 2 moon shines in front of the constellation Taurus the Bull (http://earthsky.org/constellations/taurus-heres-your-constellation). Despite the lunar glare, you still might be able to make out Aldebaran (http://earthsky.org/brightest-stars/aldebaran-is-taurus-bloodshot-eye), Taurus’ brightest star, and possibly the Pleiades star cluster (http://earthsky.org/favorite-star-patterns/pleiades-star-cluster-enjoys-worldwide-renown).
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Read more: Occultation of Aldebaran on the night of December 2-3, 2017 (http://earthsky.org/tonight/moon-and-aldebaran-in-early-december)
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(http://en.es-static.us/upl/2017/12/map-december-3-1547-utc-800x400.png)
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Worldwide map via the US Naval Observatory (http://aa.usno.navy.mil/data/docs/earthview.php). Day and night sides of Earth at the instant of full moon (2017 December 3 at 15:47 UTC). The shadow line at left depicts sunrise December 3 and the the shadow line at right represents sunset December 3.
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The full moon, our nocturnal sun, stays out throughout the night, and then sleeps in during the day. The December full moon, like the June sun, climbs up high as seen from the Northern Hemisphere sky. A full moon near the winter solstice travels a high path across the sky and stays in the sky for all hours of the night. That’s why one of the names for this full moon is the Long Night Moon.
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From the Southern Hemisphere, where the days are long and the nights are short, the December full moon follows the low path of the winter sun. After all, it’s the hot season in that hemisphere now.
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From the contiguous United States (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contiguous_United_States), the moon reaches the crest of its full phase during the daylight hours on December 3, when the moon is beneath our horizon. At North American time zones, the moon turns precisely full – resides 180o from the sun in ecliptic longitude (http://time.unitarium.com/moon/where.html) – at 11:47 a.m. AST (http://www.astropixels.com/ephemeris/astrocal/astrocal2017ast.html), 10:47 a.m. EST (http://www.astropixels.com/ephemeris/astrocal/astrocal2017est.html), 9:47 a.m. CST (http://www.astropixels.com/ephemeris/astrocal/astrocal2017cst.html), 8:47 a.m. MST (http://www.astropixels.com/ephemeris/astrocal/astrocal2017mst.html) and 7:47 a.m. PST (http://www.astropixels.com/ephemeris/astrocal/astrocal2017pst.html).
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However, if you live in Alaska or Hawaii, the moon turns full before sunrise December 3, meaning the moon will be in your sky at the instant of full moon, which takes place on December 3, 2017, at 15:47 Universal Time (UTC) (http://earthsky.org/astronomy-essentials/universal-time) – or 6:47 a.m. AKST (Alaska Standard Time) (http://www.astropixels.com/ephemeris/astrocal/astrocal2017akst.html) and 5:47 a.m. Hawaii-Aleution Standard Time (HAST) (http://www.astropixels.com/ephemeris/astrocal/astrocal2017hst.html).
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Bottom line: From around the world, the December 2, 2017 moon shines in the east at nightfall, climbs highest for the night around midnight and sets in the west around sunrise December 3. For the contiguous United States, the moon will turn precisely full during the daylight hours on December 3, when the moon is below the horizon.
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Speaking of the Naval Observatory, the North Koreans would love to know that some Americans are flat-earthers - they would likely hope that some of the people responsible for ICBM tracking are ignorant of the earth's curvature, so the Korean missiles would then have a decided advantage.
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Somehow I get the sense that you believe this post shares a remarkable insight and one that is damning to the Flat Earth cause.  I must confess, I fail to see the profoundness of it for the following reason:
1.)  The Moon should appear Full and to rise and fall, east to west all over the World on a Flat Earth.  

Title: Re: December 3rd supermoon -- this one is the biggest
Post by: WholeFoodsTrad on January 06, 2018, 12:44:37 PM
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The moon is circular but not spherical? Do you have any proof of this claim?
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The moon has been proven largely transparent and completely self-luminescent?
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And you think that anyone is going to take you seriously?
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What evidence do you have of the transparency of the moon?
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Bad CGI images?  :jester:
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You accuse others of having used CGI but you can't do any better yourself?
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Take a look at the full moon, and tell everyone what you see.
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Where is the sun when the full moon is at 12:00 midnight?
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Buy the gun and shoot the temperatures yourself Neil.  You'll find, as everyone else does, that Moonlight has a cooling effect, while Sunlight has a warming effect.  Can you explain that, with your Moon is reflecting Sunlight theory Neil? 
Title: Re: December 3rd supermoon -- this one is the biggest
Post by: RomanCatholic1953 on January 06, 2018, 07:08:59 PM
A Friend told me that the full moon of January 2, 2018 was the largest in  150 years.
Title: Re: December 3rd supermoon -- this one is the biggest
Post by: Neil Obstat on January 06, 2018, 09:13:50 PM
A Friend told me that the full moon of January 2, 2018 was the largest in  150 years.
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I've seen the moon appear enormous when it first rises in the eastern sky under certain atmospheric conditions.
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Something to do with humidity and the curving atmosphere of the spheroid earth.
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But apparently we have 3 full moons in a row that are "super moons" due to the proximity of the present orbit. 
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One more is coming at the end of this month -- that will be the 3rd.
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Title: Re: December 3rd supermoon -- this one is the biggest
Post by: Truth is Eternal on January 06, 2018, 09:19:06 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/6sYg5cC.jpg)
Title: Re: December 3rd supermoon -- this one is the biggest
Post by: Neil Obstat on January 06, 2018, 09:24:22 PM
First, that's an artist's depiction of what they think is occurring and second, why do you think it does?  
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Yes, it's an artist's depiction, that is, a graphic artist. The curving line is plotted by observational data.
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It's not "what they think is occurring" it's what has been tabulated and recorded, in fact.
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Remember the total solar eclipse, how all the data was calculated and predicted and the eclipse did precisely what was anticipated?
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The scientists who foretold where the moon's shadow would fall minute by minute were not flat-earthers BTW.
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It depicts a snapshot of where the sun's daylight illumines the earth and where it does not, at one moment in time.
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There is no way to get a photograph of this because it's shown on a Mercator projection, which is artificial, and necessarily so because to make a spherical object appear flat for illustration you have to include particular distortions.
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But the distortions don't have to interfere with the overall shape of the day/night transition profile.
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Title: Re: December 3rd supermoon -- this one is the biggest
Post by: WholeFoodsTrad on January 07, 2018, 12:37:43 AM
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Yes, it's an artist's depiction, that is, a graphic artist. The curving line is plotted by observational data.
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It's not "what they think is occurring" it's what has been tabulated and recorded, in fact.
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Remember the total solar eclipse, how all the data was calculated and predicted and the eclipse did precisely what was anticipated?
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The scientists who foretold where the moon's shadow would fall minute by minute were not flat-earthers BTW.
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It depicts a snapshot of where the sun's daylight illumines the earth and where it does not, at one moment in time.
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There is no way to get a photograph of this because it's shown on a Mercator projection, which is artificial, and necessarily so because to make a spherical object appear flat for illustration you have to include particular distortions.
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But the distortions don't have to interfere with the overall shape of the day/night transition profile.
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Do you think the appearance of a bell shaped curve proves something about the shape of The Earth? 
Title: Re: December 3rd supermoon -- this one is the biggest
Post by: Neil Obstat on January 07, 2018, 01:27:32 AM
Do you think the appearance of a bell shaped curve proves something about the shape of The Earth?
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The curve shows you where daytime changes into night time.
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Every day, this same pattern appears on the face of the earth. Every day. Every day. Every day.
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So it's not a fluke, and it's not pretend, and it's not a fantasy. It is reality.
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If you can explain how to get that curve when you think the sun is whirling around like a dervish over your "flat" earth, be my guest.
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(https://s14-eu5.ixquick.com/cgi-bin/serveimage?url=https%3A%2F%2Fc1.staticflickr.com%2F9%2F8494%2F8338891946_7d81bd85a7_b.jpg&sp=3fe6cbba85f34b9d34fadb4e7657cecf)                                                   
Title: Re: December 3rd supermoon -- this one is the biggest
Post by: Truth is Eternal on January 07, 2018, 07:49:54 AM
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The curve shows you where daytime changes into night time.
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Every day, this same pattern appears on the face of the earth. Every day. Every day. Every day.
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So it's not a fluke, and it's not pretend, and it's not a fantasy. It is reality.
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If you can explain how to get that curve when you think the sun is whirling around like a dervish over your "flat" earth, be my guest.
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(https://s14-eu5.ixquick.com/cgi-bin/serveimage?url=https%3A%2F%2Fc1.staticflickr.com%2F9%2F8494%2F8338891946_7d81bd85a7_b.jpg&sp=3fe6cbba85f34b9d34fadb4e7657cecf)                                                  
The horizon always appears perfectly flat 360 degrees around the observer regardless of altitude. All amateur balloon, rocket, plane and drone footage show a completely flat horizon over 20+ miles high. Only NASA and other government "space agencies" show curvature in their fake CGI photos/videos.

The horizon always rises to the eye level of the observer as altitude is gained, so you never have to look down to see it. If Earth were in fact a globe, no matter how large, as you ascended the horizon would stay fixed and the observer / camera would have to tilt looking down further and further to see it.

The natural physics of water is to find and maintain its level. If Earth were a giant sphere tilted, wobbling and hurdling through infinite space then truly flat, consistently level surfaces would not exist here. But since Earth is in fact an extended flat plane, this fundamental physical property of fluids finding and remaining level is consistent with experience and common sense.
Title: Re: December 3rd supermoon -- this one is the biggest
Post by: WholeFoodsTrad on January 07, 2018, 12:27:09 PM
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The curve shows you where daytime changes into night time.
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Every day, this same pattern appears on the face of the earth. Every day. Every day. Every day.
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So it's not a fluke, and it's not pretend, and it's not a fantasy. It is reality.
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If you can explain how to get that curve when you think the sun is whirling around like a dervish over your "flat" earth, be my guest.
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(https://s14-eu5.ixquick.com/cgi-bin/serveimage?url=https%3A%2F%2Fc1.staticflickr.com%2F9%2F8494%2F8338891946_7d81bd85a7_b.jpg&sp=3fe6cbba85f34b9d34fadb4e7657cecf)                                                
And how is this pattern supposed to prove a Globe Earth Neil?  
Title: Re: December 3rd supermoon -- this one is the biggest
Post by: TKGS on January 07, 2018, 01:23:46 PM
I had taken a picture of the supermoon.  Pretty awesome.


Title: Re: December 3rd supermoon -- this one is the biggest
Post by: WholeFoodsTrad on January 07, 2018, 04:22:24 PM
I had taken a picture of the supermoon.  Pretty awesome.
Are you a professional photographer?  
Title: Re: December 3rd supermoon -- this one is the biggest
Post by: WholeFoodsTrad on January 07, 2018, 04:25:55 PM
And how is this pattern supposed to prove a Globe Earth Neil?  
:popcorn:
Title: Re: December 3rd supermoon -- this one is the biggest
Post by: Neil Obstat on January 10, 2018, 12:10:17 AM
:popcorn:
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While you're busy stuffing your face, be aware everyone's still waiting for your description, how to get that curve when you think the sun is whirling around like a dervish over your "flat" earth.
Title: Re: December 3rd supermoon -- this one is the biggest
Post by: Smedley Butler on January 10, 2018, 08:19:02 AM
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From the very informative website:
http://earthsky.org/tonight/december-cold-moon-tonight
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Tonight – December 2, 2017 – watch for the nearly full moon. As seen from around the world, the moon will shine pretty much all night long, starting around sunset on this night. Although the calendar gives December 3 as the full moon date, the exact clock time (and possibly the date) of the full moon varies by time zone. No matter where you live worldwide, the moon will appear plenty full to the eye both tonight and tomorrow night.
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By the way, this full moon will be the only full moon supermoon to light up our sky in 2017. What’s a supermoon? Read more about it in our post for December 3, 2017 (http://earthsky.org/tonight/full-supermoon-on-december-3).
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The December 2 moon shines in front of the constellation Taurus the Bull (http://earthsky.org/constellations/taurus-heres-your-constellation). Despite the lunar glare, you still might be able to make out Aldebaran (http://earthsky.org/brightest-stars/aldebaran-is-taurus-bloodshot-eye), Taurus’ brightest star, and possibly the Pleiades star cluster (http://earthsky.org/favorite-star-patterns/pleiades-star-cluster-enjoys-worldwide-renown).
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Read more: Occultation of Aldebaran on the night of December 2-3, 2017 (http://earthsky.org/tonight/moon-and-aldebaran-in-early-december)
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(http://en.es-static.us/upl/2017/12/map-december-3-1547-utc-800x400.png)
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Worldwide map via the US Naval Observatory (http://aa.usno.navy.mil/data/docs/earthview.php). Day and night sides of Earth at the instant of full moon (2017 December 3 at 15:47 UTC). The shadow line at left depicts sunrise December 3 and the the shadow line at right represents sunset December 3.
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The full moon, our nocturnal sun, stays out throughout the night, and then sleeps in during the day. The December full moon, like the June sun, climbs up high as seen from the Northern Hemisphere sky. A full moon near the winter solstice travels a high path across the sky and stays in the sky for all hours of the night. That’s why one of the names for this full moon is the Long Night Moon.
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From the Southern Hemisphere, where the days are long and the nights are short, the December full moon follows the low path of the winter sun. After all, it’s the hot season in that hemisphere now.
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From the contiguous United States (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contiguous_United_States), the moon reaches the crest of its full phase during the daylight hours on December 3, when the moon is beneath our horizon. At North American time zones, the moon turns precisely full – resides 180o from the sun in ecliptic longitude (http://time.unitarium.com/moon/where.html) – at 11:47 a.m. AST (http://www.astropixels.com/ephemeris/astrocal/astrocal2017ast.html), 10:47 a.m. EST (http://www.astropixels.com/ephemeris/astrocal/astrocal2017est.html), 9:47 a.m. CST (http://www.astropixels.com/ephemeris/astrocal/astrocal2017cst.html), 8:47 a.m. MST (http://www.astropixels.com/ephemeris/astrocal/astrocal2017mst.html) and 7:47 a.m. PST (http://www.astropixels.com/ephemeris/astrocal/astrocal2017pst.html).
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However, if you live in Alaska or Hawaii, the moon turns full before sunrise December 3, meaning the moon will be in your sky at the instant of full moon, which takes place on December 3, 2017, at 15:47 Universal Time (UTC) (http://earthsky.org/astronomy-essentials/universal-time) – or 6:47 a.m. AKST (Alaska Standard Time) (http://www.astropixels.com/ephemeris/astrocal/astrocal2017akst.html) and 5:47 a.m. Hawaii-Aleution Standard Time (HAST) (http://www.astropixels.com/ephemeris/astrocal/astrocal2017hst.html).
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Bottom line: From around the world, the December 2, 2017 moon shines in the east at nightfall, climbs highest for the night around midnight and sets in the west around sunrise December 3. For the contiguous United States, the moon will turn precisely full during the daylight hours on December 3, when the moon is below the horizon.
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Speaking of the Naval Observatory, the North Koreans would love to know that some Americans are flat-earthers - they would likely hope that some of the people responsible for ICBM tracking are ignorant of the earth's curvature, so the Korean missiles would then have a decided advantage.
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When you trace the line from your graphic on a flat earth map,  it makes a circle. 
Try it.
Title: Re: December 3rd supermoon -- this one is the biggest
Post by: Truth is Eternal on January 10, 2018, 11:21:25 AM
When you trace the line from your graphic on a flat earth map,  it makes a circle.
Try it.
It is not that difficult Neil.
Title: Re: December 3rd supermoon -- this one is the biggest
Post by: WholeFoodsTrad on January 10, 2018, 04:01:12 PM
When you trace the line from your graphic on a flat earth map,  it makes a circle.
Try it.
I thought as much.  Not surprisingly, things like this usually make more sense on a flat map, than they do on a globe.  I just wanted Neil to get off his lazy arse and do some work for a change.  
Title: Re: December 3rd supermoon -- this one is the biggest
Post by: WholeFoodsTrad on January 10, 2018, 04:06:39 PM
  "Neil Grabbing A Little Snack"




(https://tailandfur.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/bad-monkey-16.jpg)

Title: Re: December 3rd supermoon -- this one is the biggest
Post by: Neil Obstat on January 10, 2018, 10:14:25 PM
When you trace the line from your graphic on a flat earth map,  it makes a circle.
Try it.
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The entirety of Antarctica is illuminated. How can that be a "circle?"
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Title: Re: December 3rd supermoon -- this one is the biggest
Post by: Neil Obstat on January 25, 2018, 06:30:29 PM
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The entirety of Antarctica is illuminated. How can that be a "circle?"
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When a simple question goes unanswered that silence itself is an answer.
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(https://i.pinimg.com/236x/2f/9e/29/2f9e2932e335943dd8269293ee46a883--fox-art-red-fox.jpg)  (https://i.pinimg.com/736x/b7/44/98/b74498ffc8e4ef9f3379ccda2db23215.jpg)
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Japanese artists are not afraid to notice that animals can look at the moon.
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Title: Re: December 3rd supermoon -- this one is the biggest
Post by: Truth is Eternal on January 25, 2018, 08:20:07 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/bd96eRz.jpg)
Title: Re: December 3rd supermoon -- this one is the biggest
Post by: Neil Obstat on January 25, 2018, 09:25:57 PM
When a simple question goes unanswered that silence itself is an answer.
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(https://i.pinimg.com/236x/2f/9e/29/2f9e2932e335943dd8269293ee46a883--fox-art-red-fox.jpg)  (https://i.pinimg.com/736x/b7/44/98/b74498ffc8e4ef9f3379ccda2db23215.jpg)
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Japanese artists are not afraid to notice that animals can look at the moon.
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Animals can look at the moon but flat-earthers are afraid to, because they have less common sense even than these animals.
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Title: Re: December 3rd supermoon -- this one is the biggest
Post by: WholeFoodsTrad on February 04, 2018, 10:09:26 PM
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The entirety of Antarctica is illuminated. How can that be a "circle?"
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How do you know that the entirety of Antartica is illuminated?  
Title: Re: December 3rd supermoon -- this one is the biggest
Post by: WholeFoodsTrad on February 04, 2018, 10:11:46 PM
(https://i1.wp.com/new.hollywoodgothique.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/The-Wolf-Man-1941-color-horizontal-poster.jpg)
Title: Re: December 3rd supermoon -- this one is the biggest
Post by: WholeFoodsTrad on February 04, 2018, 10:14:42 PM
"Even a man who is pure in heart
and says his prayers by night
may become a wolf when the wolfbane blooms
and the autumn moon is bright." 

Boy if that ain't the truth!   :incense:
Title: Re: December 3rd supermoon -- this one is the biggest
Post by: Neil Obstat on February 05, 2018, 12:51:35 AM
How do you know that the entirety of Antartica is illuminated?  
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I was referring to the diagram. It shows the entirety of Antarctica illuminated by the sun's light.
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Just a fact of the diagram, has nothing to do with my opinion.
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(http://en.es-static.us/upl/2017/12/map-december-3-1547-utc-800x400.png)
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Antarctica (all white) is depicted across the bottom of the diagram.
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Title: Re: December 3rd supermoon -- this one is the biggest
Post by: WholeFoodsTrad on February 10, 2018, 03:34:55 AM
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I was referring to the diagram. It shows the entirety of Antarctica illuminated by the sun's light.
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Just a fact of the diagram, has nothing to do with my opinion.
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(http://en.es-static.us/upl/2017/12/map-december-3-1547-utc-800x400.png)
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Antarctica (all white) is depicted across the bottom of the diagram.
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That's just art.