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Re: Debunking the Flat Earth Movement ~ Dr Robert Sungenis
« Reply #15 on: December 29, 2022, 05:57:38 PM »
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  • This I found interesting, a FlatEarther that challenges some of the more common FE models
    A FLAT EARTHERS HONEST OPINION ABOUT THE AZIMUTHAL EQUIDISTANT, FLAT EARTH MODEL. - TRUTH EVIDENCE

    [color=var(--color_brand)]https://www.bitchute.com/video/kwXGOOGiWECf/[/color]
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    Re: Debunking the Flat Earth Movement ~ Dr Robert Sungenis
    « Reply #16 on: December 29, 2022, 10:27:05 PM »
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  • Ladislaus, that was an EXCELLENT assessment of the video and I thank you for taking the time to break it down for us. You really do the Catholic world a service here (once again).

    I watched "The Principle" as well as "Galileo Was Wrong" and found them interesting, and learned a lot about the flaws in modern science and Cosmology.

    But I have lost all respect for Sungenis at this point. How could he turn on his allies, with whom he disagrees maybe 15%, and try to curry favor with the atheistic bastards who hate God and want to turn mankind into a bunch of mere animal walking monkeys with no immortal soul?

    Just so he can make a name for himself? Make money? How base, disgusting, and petty of him. He is as GRIFTER, a DECEIVER, a FOOL, and a TOOL of the Establishment. They are indeed laughing at him behind his back. What a small, sad, pathetic man.
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    Re: Debunking the Flat Earth Movement ~ Dr Robert Sungenis
    « Reply #17 on: December 30, 2022, 04:12:26 AM »
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  • I offer as proof the video posted in the Original Post.
    Beyond that, I offer Ladislaus' commentary on the video -- it's a pretty clear cut case.

    Everything he said rang true, in terms of logic, and in terms of the facts.

    Just the fact that Sungenis undertook this "hit job" and/or feels the need to curry favor (with whom?) by bashing Flat Earth in the first place shows his LACK OF OBJECTIVITY and/or BAD WILL in the matter. Therefore, he's a grifter, plain and simple. He's out for relevance, fame, money, whatever. Typical grifter.

    I'm not criticizing each of those who still believes the Globe Earth lie. I'm criticizing a specific man who has been intellectually dishonest (to say the least) for the sake of aggrandizing his own position and reputation.

    It's one thing to disagree with someone on an unclear or disputed topic. It's another thing to be found distorting, lying, using logical fallacies despite being high intellect, taking bribes, slandering your opponents, etc. for the sake of "being right" or aggrandizing your status.

    As Ladislaus pointed out, he's not just arguing the case for a globe earth, a position I happen to disagree with. No, Sungenis has done many things worthy of actual BLAME.

    Re-read Ladislaus posts, and stop being so emotional and attached to the damned NASA "globe" deception. Free your mind, and embrace the truth.
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    Re: Debunking the Flat Earth Movement ~ Dr Robert Sungenis
    « Reply #18 on: December 30, 2022, 04:15:33 AM »
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  • I challenge you to back them up with solid irrefutable proof.

    If you still believe in NASA, and the Globe deception at this point, with all the evidence against it, I would be wasting my time trying to convince you. So I won't even try.

    I've had my fill of liars and deceivers and others of bad will, having been placed in the current age of the world. 

    When I see anyone playing monkey business with the truth, I'm going to call a spade a spade.

    And when I see anyone violating the truth with apparent malice, it makes me angry. Hence my descriptive words for Mr. Sungenis. You see, I quickly passed over the possibility of him being stupid. So that only leaves ONE other option. I called him a fool, but I meant that as the opposite of wise -- as in, nuclear physicists with high IQs choosing to reject God and believe in evolution for various worldly rewards. You can be high IQ and still be a fool (=lacking wisdom).
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    Re: Debunking the Flat Earth Movement ~ Dr Robert Sungenis
    « Reply #19 on: December 30, 2022, 04:17:45 AM »
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  • I won't copy/paste ALL Ladislaus' posts on the matter, but here is just ONE hard-hitting, irrefutable sample that frankly speaks for itself. It IS proof.


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    He admits going in that he set out to "debunk" Flat Earth ... having been commissioned (aka paid) by Kolbe Institute to do precisely that.

    So Dr. Sungenis' intellectual dishonesty is palpable throughout the book.  It causes him to make repeated blunders in interpreting the Church Fathers, and the "science" sections were equally contrary to sound logic ... except the one section that I have not fully been able to analyze due to lack fo time, on account of the fact that it would involve a lot of research regarding alignments of the stars, etc.  Other FEs have done the research, but I have not been able to confirm or deny the contested findings in that regard.

    I found it sad that Dr. Sungenis backed up NASA almost categorically, when NASA has been mocking and ridiculing his own geocentrism from the beginning.

    I was deeply disappointed in his FEFW book ... and I cannot be more charitable about it than to say it was a large pile of trash.

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    Re: Debunking the Flat Earth Movement ~ Dr Robert Sungenis
    « Reply #20 on: December 30, 2022, 05:19:03 AM »
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  • Get a flat Earth model that *actually* works and then we can discuss it….. :facepalm:
    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?

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    Re: Debunking the Flat Earth Movement ~ Dr Robert Sungenis
    « Reply #21 on: December 30, 2022, 05:32:57 AM »
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  • Get a flat Earth model that *actually* works and then we can discuss it….. :facepalm:

    As I said --
    It's not about the debate about the nature of the Earth, or any member's opinions/strong beliefs on the issue.

    And as I've also said --
    The scientists who are supposed to measure, think, deduce, and basically DO THEIR JOBS to figure out things like how the earth/sun/moon work, HAVEN'T BEEN DOING THEIR JOBS -- for centuries. How are farmers, laborers, teachers, housewives, engineers, and other guys who work full time in totally different fields supposed to fill the void left by the scientists who shirked their one duty -- to seek the truth about the natural world?

    You had ONE JOB, scientists. You had one job.

    Thirdly --
    Just because I can't tell you exactly WHO was morally culpable for the events of 9/11/01, HOW exactly they did it, WHERE and HOW MUCH thermite was used, etc. doesn't mean I can't call BS on an "official story" which is clearly BS. Even if I can't ever learn the truth from where I'm sitting (because it's not available to the general public, for example. I would have had to bug a room in some exclusive resort X number of months previous...)

    In this case, it's completely legitimate to curse the darkness and fail to light a candle. Because lighting a candle -- replacing the darkness -- is physically impossible in many cases.
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    Re: Debunking the Flat Earth Movement ~ Dr Robert Sungenis
    « Reply #22 on: December 30, 2022, 08:31:56 AM »
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  • Get a flat Earth model that *actually* works and then we can discuss it….. :facepalm:

    The same can be said for the ball earth.

    For instance, can you explain this?




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    Re: Debunking the Flat Earth Movement ~ Dr Robert Sungenis
    « Reply #23 on: December 30, 2022, 09:10:13 AM »
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  • The same can be said for the ball earth.

    For instance, can you explain this?



    Please! There have been possibly hundreds of working models of a global Earth throughout the centuries. There have been both Geocentric and Heliocentric ones. Some work and answer nearly all of the objections in fine detail. Others were not so good. There is not a *single* flat Earth that even comes close to making sense. NOT A SINGLE ONE…..Nothing. Come up with a model, then we can talk. 
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    Re: Debunking the Flat Earth Movement ~ Dr Robert Sungenis
    « Reply #24 on: December 30, 2022, 09:16:36 AM »
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  • Please! There have been possibly hundreds of working models of a global Earth throughout the centuries. There have been both Geocentric and Heliocentric ones. Some work and answer nearly all of the objections in fine detail. Others were not so good. There is not a *single* flat Earth that even comes close to making sense. NOT A SINGLE ONE…..Nothing. Come up with a model, then we can talk.

    The only model is that which is described in Sacred Scripture, and that doesn't explain it explicitly as you know. But at least it fits better with a flat earth than it does with a globe earth. The Ancient Hebrews came up with a good FE model based on Scripture, but it doesn't explain the movements of the sun and moon of course. 

    Post #5 on this thread shows the Ancient Hebrew model.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Debunking the Flat Earth Movement ~ Dr Robert Sungenis
    « Reply #25 on: December 31, 2022, 10:40:16 AM »
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  • Knowing I should stay out of this discussion (I’m thinking God might think there are better things for me to spend my time on), but there is one test that should put this whole question to rest.
     
    All that is required is for the proponents of the flat earth to have a reliable navigation system that allows one to travel in a verifiable linear fashion.  They may have such, I’m just not familiar with it.  I have gotten the impression that using a compass and adjusting the declination isn’t “politically correct” with the flat earth crowd, though it has served me well when on hikes.
     
    ·      I would suggest that a jet liner be chartered (a propeller plane would do but a jet would likely be more practical). Certainly a financial backer could be found.  There is one guy who lost his job and his residence a couple of years ago and now has to live on a golf course.  He loves to be in the news and “proven right”.  He might be a good candidate to invest.
    ·      The route for this experiment is not important and could be varied, but I’ve selected one for my example.  I’ve flown part of this route and I’m familiar with some of the airports mentioned.
    ·      Begin at either Eldorado International Airport in Bogota Colombia or Mariscal Sucre International Airport in Quito Ecuador.
    ·      After takeoff I’m proposing setting a course “due east”, though “due west” would work equally well for the experimental design.  I am uncertain exactly how “flat earthers” define east and west, or how they determine such, but hopefully a common accord can be achieved.  Global earth folks have always found the rising and the setting of the sun, and a compass, to work really well for this.
    ·      Heading east across the South American continent and the Atlantic Ocean, on a more or less equatorial route, the flight would approach the West coast of the African continent and the country of Gabon.
    ·      I’ve been through the international airports of Senegal, Liberia, and Nigeria, just a bit north of the equator.  If one wanted to stay on the equatorial line I’ve no doubt that Leon Mba International Airport in Libreville Gabon would be perfectly fine as a place to get off to stretch the legs, refuel the plane, and take on provisions.
    ·      Taking off, again headed “due east” along the equator, the next logical stop would be Jomo Kenyatta International Airport in Nairobi Kenya.  Another or alternative stop might be Entebbe International Airport near Kampala Uganda.  The Shrine of the Uganda Martyrs is close to the airport.
    ·      After stretching one’s legs, refueling the plane, and taking on provisions, the flight would head out again, due east along the equator, across the Indian Ocean to a geography that “global earthers” know as Asia and Oceania.  The equator here runs through Malaysia and Indonesia, just north of Papua New Guinea, and a bit north of the Australian continent.
    ·      There are several suitable places in equatorial Asia / Oceania to stop off, debark the airliner to stretch one’s legs, refuel the plane, and take on provisions.
    ·      And now for the final leg of the epic journey.  Taking off and again heading due east along the equator across the Pacific Ocean.

    I can fathom two, and ONLY two, possible outcomes (though it would be fascinating to hear other theories:
    1.One would arrive back at the west coast of the South American continent and land at either Eldorado or Mariscal Sucre airports, from which the journey first started;
    OR
    2. One would arrive at the “end or edge of the earth”.
    I can’t think of any other possible outcome.
     
    I will finish by saying that the Antarctic Treaty (a favorite “caveat” of “flat earth” proponents) is totally irrelevant here:
    ·      First of all, the Antarctic Treaty did not exist until December 1, 1959, 2-1/2 years after the death of Admiral Richard Byrd and several years after his epic Antarctic explorations.  This is also way after many centuries of both oceanic and land exploration of the earth’s surface.
    ·      Secondly, the Antarctic Treaty clearly states that it ONLY applies to an area below the 60th degree of the South Latitude.  For any exploration north or above that, the treaty does not apply.




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    Re: Debunking the Flat Earth Movement ~ Dr Robert Sungenis
    « Reply #26 on: December 31, 2022, 11:11:09 AM »
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  • Please! There have been possibly hundreds of working models of a global Earth throughout the centuries. There have been both Geocentric and Heliocentric ones. Some work and answer nearly all of the objections in fine detail. Others were not so good. There is not a *single* flat Earth that even comes close to making sense. NOT A SINGLE ONE…..Nothing. Come up with a model, then we can talk.
    Actually there are flat earth models that make better sense than the ball model on a number of counts. 

    They aren't perfect but neither is the ball model.

    That was the point I was making. 

    There are actually many problems with the ball model.

    I posted just one.

    Can you explain it?
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    Re: Debunking the Flat Earth Movement ~ Dr Robert Sungenis
    « Reply #27 on: December 31, 2022, 11:29:00 AM »
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  • Actually there are flat earth models that make better sense than the ball model on a number of counts. 

    They aren't perfect but neither is the ball model.

    That was the point I was making. 

    There are actually many problems with the ball model.

    I posted just one.

    Can you explain it?


    Here is the video again.  It's only 1min 4secs.


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