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Author Topic: Debunk of a Flat Earth without using science but only empirical observations  (Read 20768 times)

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Offline Matthew

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Conclusion: Following the book of Enoch, the rising and setting of sun, moon, and stars is real, and not apparent only. The book of Enoch contradicts the flat earthers' model of the trajectories of sun and moon circling at constant height (Lady Blount, Eric Dubay, most online flat earthers, CI flat earthers). It also contradicts the claim that rising and setting are apparent only (explained on CI by an unreal "Perspective Matrix").

So much for the credibility and solid research of CI flat earthers.

https://book-ofenoch.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/book-of-enoch.pdf

I make no claim or pretense that I've come up with anything approaching a "solid" or thorough alternative model for how the natural world works. That's what professional scientists SHOULD HAVE BEEN DOING all these decades instead of chasing after aliens, the "origins of life", and the "origins of the universe".

All I can do is *reject* a nonsensical model for the nonsense it is. That goes for the ball earth/spinning ball/Big Bang, that goes for the "official story" on 9/11, and many other things.

I can't tell you exactly who did what on Sept 11, 2001. Some of that information is simply not available -- the bad guys don't have recordings much less videos of their machinations available on the Internet. But what I *can* do is call out the official story as impossible malarkey, which it is.

That also goes for the COVID hoax. I don't know what exactly this new disease "COVID" is or where it came from, but the popular mythology of the Cult of Covid (it's a deadly disease, we're in a Pandemic, we should all be afraid, it's worth shutting down businesses for, it requires that you be vaccinated, masks somehow stop it) I completely reject.

Offline Matthew

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P.S. That also goes for the Crisis in the Church.

I've said MANY TIMES that the Crisis is a supernatural mystery, defying a detailed explanation OR SOLUTION by humans alone.

I can say we have a problem -- leave the Conciliar Church structures completely, stay completely aloof from the whole Conciliar Church -- without having a complete multi-step solution to the Crisis in my back pocket. All I know is: to preserve my Faith, I have to do this. That doesn't mean I have a solution to the Crisis, or that such is even within my grasp.


Offline Pax Vobis

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Marion and others appeal to the logical fallacy called "false dilemma"....they say: "either you can explain FE fully or it's not true."  :facepalm: 

Meanwhile, if FE's point out a problem with globe earth, they just prance out some "scientific term" which is supposed to explain away the problem with high-brow words. 

Globe Earther's have a vast array of these high-brow scientific terms because the scientific community doesn't spend their time on true science (objectively looking for truth), but defending an agenda and teaching their view (for which they are paid by govt grants).  For modern science, they have decades and 1000s upon 1000s of scientists who do nothing else but "prove" the narrative (i.e. their religion).

Are you A) high or B) drunk when you write nonsense like this? It's not a matter of disagreement or agreement on a position. I'm saying it literally DOES NOT MAKE SENSE.

It probably seemed quite sane and profound when you wrote it -- but in the morning, when the pot and/or booze wears off, it's a load of silly nonsense.


You wrote this at 3:22 AM, and your other nonsense post was in the 1:00 AM range.
I refuse to believe Donachie is serious when he writes these posts. Either high, drunk, trolling or using a translator? I don't know. It's just incoherent ramblings.

Tradman, this is not a case of "you globers".

Marion and others appeal to the logical fallacy called "false dilemma"....they say: "either you can explain FE fully or it's not true."  :facepalm: 

Meanwhile, if FE's point out a problem with globe earth, they just prance out some "scientific term" which is supposed to explain away the problem with high-brow words. 

Globe Earther's have a vast array of these high-brow scientific terms because the scientific community doesn't spend their time on true science (objectively looking for truth), but defending an agenda and teaching their view (for which they are paid by govt grants).  For modern science, they have decades and 1000s upon 1000s of scientists who do nothing else but "prove" the narrative (i.e. their religion).
Either you offer a better congruent explanation for all natural phenomena (observations) or I won't believe you because your worldview is not reasonable, not evidence based, but belief based.