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Offline Yeti

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Re: Debunk of a Flat Earth without using science but only empirical observations
« Reply #15 on: February 13, 2022, 04:26:52 PM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on February 13, 2022, 04:01:05 PM
    Nah, neither of those explain FE.  You’re attacking ghost facts.  The sun can move up and down, and side to side.  In the northern hemisphere winter, the sun is simply “down south”, that’s why it appears lower in the sky (because it’s farther away).
    The question is one of how objects move through the air. When you throw an object, it travels in a straight line, not a circle. Or you can have a helium balloon that floats in the air and gets blown around by the wind. Or you can look out into outer space and see various heavenly bodies rotating (orbiting) around other heavenly bodies, such as how we see the moons of Jupiter rotate around Jupiter. Those are all examples of different types of movement in different circuмstances.

    But there is no example of the type of movement that flat earthers claim the earth makes. First of all, they said it floats over the earth parallel to the surface of the earth. There is no known object that does this. Then, flatters say the sun naturally moves in a circle. Again, there is no object that naturally moves in a circle in the air, with the exception of heavenly bodies in orbit, which globe earthers claim is the sort of movement that the earth makes around the sun (or vice versa, as you wish), but which flatters strongly reject. But they can give no example of any other object that moves in a circle the way they claim the earth moves.

    If there is nothing that moves in such a manner, then such types of motion must be impossible.
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    Re: Debunk of a Flat Earth without using science but only empirical observations
    « Reply #16 on: February 13, 2022, 05:04:43 PM »
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    But there is no example of the type of movement that flat earthers claim the earth makes. First of all, they said it floats over the earth parallel to the surface of the earth. There is no known object that does this. Then, flatters say the sun naturally moves in a circle. Again, there is no object that naturally moves in a circle in the air, with the exception of heavenly bodies in orbit, which globe earthers claim is the sort of movement that the earth makes around the sun (or vice versa, as you wish), but which flatters strongly reject. But they can give no example of any other object that moves in a circle the way they claim the earth moves.

    If there is nothing that moves in such a manner, then such types of motion must be impossible.
    Your logic is flawed.  Does the moon/sun move similar to stars?  No, you are correct.  Do they move similar to an orbit around a planet (i.e. jupiter)?  No, you are correct.  But the sun/moon are UNIQUE heavenly bodies, created for the earth alone, thus they have UNIQUE heavenly movements.  Just as a dog moves differently than a bird or a snake, doesn't mean a dog can't exist.  The moon/sun move differently than the stars and other heavenly bodies because of their unique purpose as lights/warmth.
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    Re: Debunk of a Flat Earth without using science but only empirical observations
    « Reply #17 on: February 13, 2022, 05:08:25 PM »
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    • Yes, but you cannot posit a unique law of physics that only applies to the sun and moon. You are positing that they move in a manner that is impossible. The laws of physics apply to all material things.
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    Re: Debunk of a Flat Earth without using science but only empirical observations
    « Reply #18 on: February 13, 2022, 06:43:24 PM »
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    • Why is it impossible?  You’re basing your physics on lies from the govt.  The true physics, like true sizes of the moon/sun, have been covered up.  One explanation for how the moon/sun move is a) they are smaller than we’ve been told and b) they aren’t solid globes but are a kind of plasma.  This would mean their movements wouldn’t be like any other planetary object. 
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    Re: Debunk of a Flat Earth without using science but only empirical observations
    « Reply #19 on: February 13, 2022, 09:17:18 PM »
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    • Quote from: Yeti on February 13, 2022, 04:26:52 PM
    But they can give no example of any other object that moves in a circle the way they claim the earth moves.

    If there is nothing that moves in such a manner, then such types of motion must be impossible.

    That is not logical at all.

    There is no other place like Earth. Earth is NOT just a rock in the far hinterlands of space, "nowhere special" as the atheist astronomers teach.

    You accept as a given the "fact" that Earth is just a peer of trillions of other so-called "planets". I will not grant you that. I don't hold that to be true at all.

    Earth is where God created the ONLY life in the universe, including mankind, the only RATIONAL life, and where God the Son took flesh and died on Calvary. The sun and moon are for the benefit of that creation, not for the other "planets".

    You have to unlearn what you think you have learned. satan was let loose long before we were born.

    Man has as many QUESTIONS as ANSWERS about something so simple as a cell. If we understood a cell -- life -- we'd be able to duplicate the feat. We can't. We are still in awe of the little universe that is a single cell. There is much about God's creation that we don't understand, which we can only pass over in reverent silence, and/or give glory to God for. 
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    Re: Debunk of a Flat Earth without using science but only empirical observations
    « Reply #20 on: February 13, 2022, 09:38:06 PM »
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    • Here's the video of an FE who interviewed a renowed astrophysicist ... and she does not perform well.

    https://www.bitchute.com/video/Ndw0b6G7wWRe/

    I'm not sure how I feel about interviews like this, obtained under false pretenses and intended to humiliate the person, but it does show how very little thought any of the "experts" have ever given to the issues raised by FE.
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    Re: Debunk of a Flat Earth without using science but only empirical observations
    « Reply #21 on: February 13, 2022, 09:41:45 PM »
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    • Quote from: Yeti on February 13, 2022, 03:45:35 PM
    Flat Earthism is based on two assertions that are physically impossible: 1) that the sun moves parallel to the ground in a straight line, and 2) that the sun moves in a path that is circular and parallel to the surface of the earth. There is no exemplar of either of these two types of movement anywhere in the universe; therefore they are both impossible.

    As others have pointed out, this begs the question regarding what scientists claim about the rest of the universe.  Most of us think that the entire construct is a lie, that there are these solar systems with the sun in the center and planets revolving around them, etc.
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    Re: Debunk of a Flat Earth without using science but only empirical observations
    « Reply #22 on: February 13, 2022, 09:45:28 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on February 13, 2022, 09:38:06 PM
    Here's the video of an FE who interviewed a renowed astrophysicist ... and she does not perform well.

    https://www.bitchute.com/video/Ndw0b6G7wWRe/

    I'm not sure how I feel about interviews like this, obtained under false pretenses and intended to humiliate the person, but it does show how very little thought any of the "experts" have ever given to the issues raised by FE.

    This FE does make some very interesting points.  So he addresses the claim (about the 13:00 minute mark) that the reason we don't feel the rotation of the earth is because it has a constant velocity, but then he points out that we're allegedly revolving around the sun at the same time, and, therefore, as a result we should be experiencing regular changes in velocity, depending upon whether we're rotating AWAY from that orbit at 1000MPH or rotating TOWARD it.
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    Re: Debunk of a Flat Earth without using science but only empirical observations
    « Reply #23 on: February 13, 2022, 09:45:34 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on February 13, 2022, 09:38:06 PM
    I'm not sure how I feel about interviews like this, obtained under false pretenses and intended to humiliate the person, but it does show how very little thought any of the "experts" have ever given to the issues raised by FE.

    If it wakes people up, great. I don't have a problem with what Project Veritas does, for example. How else do you infiltrate and expose? You can't walk up to them and say, "I'm a pro-lifer. You know, your enemy. Please give me a tour of your abortion facility." 
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    Re: Debunk of a Flat Earth without using science but only empirical observations
    « Reply #24 on: February 13, 2022, 09:47:24 PM »
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    • Quote from: Matthew on February 13, 2022, 09:45:34 PM
    If it wakes people up, great. I don't have a problem with what Project Veritas does, for example. How else do you infiltrate and expose? You can't walk up to them and say, "I'm a pro-lifer. You know, your enemy. Please give me a tour of your abortion facility."

    Oh, Project Veritas is absolutely justified in doing what it does.  In this case, though, I don't think this woman is evil, just a dummy, and I kind of feel for her being embarrased like that.
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    Re: Debunk of a Flat Earth without using science but only empirical observations
    « Reply #25 on: February 14, 2022, 08:59:27 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on February 13, 2022, 03:31:30 PM
    I’ve known my share of Ph.D.s and the majority are dumber than a box of rocks.
    The appeals to PhD's is an appeal to someone with specialized knowledge. But, when the specialized knowledge is on a subject that is already boxed in by the "laws" of a presupposed version of the cosmos, one has to really question whether such an "expert" is a good source of information. At that point, their opinions really have no more weight than us "youtube armchair experts and conspiracy theorists".

    You have to first accept a specific cosmology before you can start making truth-claims. And the cosmology accepted by modern science contradicts that of the Biblical worldview (the true cosmology).
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    Re: Debunk of a Flat Earth without using science but only empirical observations
    « Reply #26 on: February 14, 2022, 09:10:22 PM »
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    • Quote from: DigitalLogos on February 14, 2022, 08:59:27 PM
    the Biblical worldview (the true cosmology).


    The one, where sun and moon rise and set, and not the Eric Dubay one, where sun and moon circle above the earth, and rising and setting are deceiving appearences.

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    Re: Debunk of a Flat Earth without using science but only empirical observations
    « Reply #27 on: February 14, 2022, 09:21:03 PM »
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    • Quote from: Marion on February 14, 2022, 09:10:22 PM

    The one, where sun and moon rise and set, and not the Eric Dubay one, where sun and moon circle above the earth, and rising and setting are deceiving appearences.
    Why do you fixate on Eric "the Eastern idolater" Dubay? I can't even recall the last person to cite him for anything FE-related on here.
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    Re: Debunk of a Flat Earth without using science but only empirical observations
    « Reply #28 on: February 14, 2022, 09:21:15 PM »
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    • Quote from: DigitalLogos on February 14, 2022, 08:59:27 PM
    The appeals to PhD's is an appeal to someone with specialized knowledge. But, when the specialized knowledge is on a subject that is already boxed in by the "laws" of a presupposed version of the cosmos, one has to really question whether such an "expert" is a good source of information. At that point, their opinions really have no more weight than us "youtube armchair experts and conspiracy theorists".

    You have to first accept a specific cosmology before you can start making truth-claims. And the cosmology accepted by modern science contradicts that of the Biblical worldview (the true cosmology).

    My statement is even broader than that.  Having a Ph.D. means nothing but that you put in the time.  I've known many of them who couldn't string together a coherent sentence or even a coherent thought.  They invest the time and the money and eventually get their degree.
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    Re: Debunk of a Flat Earth without using science but only empirical observations
    « Reply #29 on: February 14, 2022, 09:24:37 PM »
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    • Quote from: DigitalLogos on February 14, 2022, 09:21:03 PM
    Why do you fixate on Eric "the Eastern idolater" Dubay? I can't even recall the last person to cite him for anything FE-related on here.

    That's been his dishonest argument from the outset, attempting to cast FE as the invention of Eric Dubay.  I have on my computer hard drive a collection of PDF copies of FORTY-FIVE books written on the subject between 1865 - 1961.
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